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World’s Oldest Known Decimal Point Discovered in Italy
Greek Reporter ^ | February 25, 2024 | Abdul Moeed

Posted on 02/25/2024 2:44:01 PM PST by nickcarraway

Newly discovered notes from 15th-century Italy show that the decimal point is actually 150 years older than what historians previously believed.

Decimal points may seem basic, but they’re incredibly helpful in math. They divide whole numbers into tenths, hundredths, and thousandths, which makes calculations a lot easier compared to using fractions.

Some forms of decimals have been around since the 900s in Damascus and the 1200s in China, as reported by Live Science.

A solid system of decimals didn’t become fully established until 1593. This happened when the German mathematician Christopher Clavius included decimals in astronomical work.

However, recent studies propose that Clavius was actually following an older practice. He likely adopted the use of decimals from Giovanni Bianchini, a Venetian merchant from the 15th century.

Grecian Delight supports Greece Decimal point is a century and a half older than Clavius’ use The authors of the latest research say that Bianchini’s work, dating back to between 1441 and 1450, precedes Clavius’ use of the decimal point by a century and a half.

Glen Van Brummelen, a mathematics historian at Trinity Western University in Canada, stumbled upon Bianchini’s use of decimals while teaching a math camp for middle school students.

Van Brummelen recalls his excitement, rushing through the dormitory halls with his computer, eager to share his discovery. He shouted, “Look at this, this guy is doing decimal points in the 1440s!”

The concept of dividing whole numbers into smaller parts has ancient roots, but before the Middle Ages, most mathematicians leaned towards using fractions. Although astronomers did use decimals, their method differed from the familiar base-10 system taught in elementary school.

Instead, they utilized base-60 decimals. This involved dividing circles, such as the 360-degree circle, into sixty minutes, which could further be broken down into sixty seconds, as reported by Live Science.

In a paper published online for the journal Historia Mathematica, Van Brummelen noted that, occasionally, mathematicians did experiment with notations resembling today’s decimal system. However, these concepts often failed to gain traction and weren’t consistently adopted by subsequent mathematicians.

Decimal point first seen in Bianchini’s “Tabulae primi mobilis B” Van Brummelen highlighted that while pinpointing the exact origins of decimal notation can be challenging, the history of the decimal point is comparatively clearer. This enduring symbol first emerges in Bianchini’s “Tabulae primi mobilis B,” a work focused on computing stellar coordinates.

Bianchini, originally a merchant, later served as an administrator to Venice’s ruling d’Este family. In this role, he was tasked with calculating horoscopes and engaging in astrology.

Within his text, Bianchini used the decimal point in a manner similar to modern mathematicians, marking a significant early usage of this decimal point.


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Education; History
KEYWORDS: abdulmoeed; astrolabe; astrolabium; christopherclavius; decimals; epigraphyandlanguage; giovannibianchini; glenvanbrummelen; godsgravesglyphs; italy; middleages; renaissance
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This discovery has only gotten a fraction of the interest it should.

1 posted on 02/25/2024 2:44:01 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

I thought the dog ate it!


2 posted on 02/25/2024 2:45:29 PM PST by rktman (Destroy America from within? Check! WTH? Enlisted USN 1967 to end up with this💩? 🚫💉! 🇮🇱👍!)
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To: nickcarraway

Related:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/4219116/posts


3 posted on 02/25/2024 2:47:15 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: nickcarraway

On row 13, 49.$.

I’m not the only one who can’t tell his 8’s from his $’s.


4 posted on 02/25/2024 2:49:42 PM PST by DannyTN
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To: nickcarraway
Next up... the search for spliced commas.

-PJ

5 posted on 02/25/2024 2:50:08 PM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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Update: Analysis shows it was only a fly speck.


6 posted on 02/25/2024 2:50:11 PM PST by frank ballenger (There's a battle outside and it's raging. It'll soon shake your windows and rattle your walls.)
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7 posted on 02/25/2024 2:50:53 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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Befroe we hget allexcited, wemust remind that modern science uses a base 10 count system AND a base 6 system as well, whcihi is much oder than base ten, going back to the Babylonian astronomers.

Base six countin stsem is much older than base 10 decimals. The Babylonians used base 6 sexgisimals.


8 posted on 02/25/2024 2:53:53 PM PST by Candor7 (Ask not for whom Trump Trolls,He trolls for thee!),<img src="" width=500</img><a href="">tag</a>)
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To: nickcarraway

Well to be fair. they are pretty small and hard to see. :)


9 posted on 02/25/2024 2:56:49 PM PST by Openurmind (The ultimate test of a moral society is the kind of world it leaves to its children. ~ D. Bonhoeffer)
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To: Candor7

We also use a Base 60 System.................


10 posted on 02/25/2024 2:58:00 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: nickcarraway

How often must people post articles about decimals?

We get the point!


11 posted on 02/25/2024 2:58:46 PM PST by cockroach_magoo (cockroach_magoo did not formally deprogram himself.)
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To: Candor7

Babylonians only had three fingers on their hands.


12 posted on 02/25/2024 2:59:32 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: cockroach_magoo

I see what you did there.


13 posted on 02/25/2024 3:00:20 PM PST by EvilCapitalist (Pets are no substitute for children)
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To: nickcarraway

They should explain further the connection between Grecian Delight and Decimal points.


14 posted on 02/25/2024 3:03:01 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: SunkenCiv

This discovery allowed for the baking of Pi.


15 posted on 02/25/2024 3:04:15 PM PST by nickcarraway
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is it the fractions or fractionous nature of the fractiousnous people who have declared fractions are mearly fractious factions of a fractile without a decimal equivalent? if only there was an aloquot part to define the percentage of care this fractious faction actually cares about the factions of fractions that persist in the division of decimals that cannot mathematically decipher the point of half of the people wanting division vs the 50 % of people who don’t. there are studies.


16 posted on 02/25/2024 3:06:24 PM PST by Qwapisking ("IF the Second goes first the First goes second" L.Star )
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When my late-wife, who was Australian and LOVED her alcohol, was three sheets to the wind and in one of her angry moods, she would sometimes, when I pissed her off, tell me that she was going to bend over and I could kiss her decimal-dot.


17 posted on 02/25/2024 3:22:15 PM PST by BlueLancer (Think of it as evolution in action. [Oath of Fealty - Pournelle and Niven])
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To: Openurmind
It depends on the font.

😁

18 posted on 02/25/2024 3:22:53 PM PST by moovova ("The NEXT election is the most important election of our lifetimes!“ LOL...)
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To: nickcarraway

IT would be quite curious to find decimals used with roman numerals!


19 posted on 02/25/2024 3:23:47 PM PST by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: nickcarraway; Rennes Templar
Van Brummelen recalls his excitement, rushing through the dormitory halls with his computer, eager to share his discovery. He shouted, “Look at this, this guy is doing decimal points in the 1440s!”

Wow. I would go to a party where people are like this. Everyone free to be a square.

The concept of dividing whole numbers into smaller parts has ancient roots...

Not only that,

World’s Oldest Known Decimal Point Discovered in Italy

I've seen the sign! It's that huge white sign hanging on the wall of Rachel Revere Square in Boston, saying:

"Welcome to the North End, where Italians trace their roots."

And then one day...

this guy is doing decimal points in the 1440s! 🤔


20 posted on 02/25/2024 3:33:05 PM PST by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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