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Prosecution's Bug Expert Struggles On Stand:08/01/2002 Westefield Trial Nears Finish Lap!
Court TV ^ | August 1, 2002 | Harriet Ryan

Posted on 07/31/2002 9:20:15 PM PDT by FresnoDA

Prosecution's bug expert struggles on stand

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Forensic entomologist Madison Lee Goff, left, testifies for the prosecution at the trial of David Westerfield.

SAN DIEGO — The insect expert prosecutors hoped would destroy David Westerfield's chances for acquittal stumbled badly during his turn on the witness stand Tuesday, capping confusing, overly technical testimony with the admission he made basic math errors in his findings.

Madison Lee Goff, one of the most experienced scientists in the small field of forensic entomology, blushed a deep red as a defense lawyer for the man accused of killing Danielle van Dam repeatedly confronted him with five separate errors in data he used to analyze bugs collected at the 7-year-old's autopsy.

"I made a mistake adding," said Goff, the chair of the forensic science department at Honolulu's Chaminade University and one of only nine certified forensic entomologists in North America.

Entomology has become a battleground as Westerfield's two-month long capital murder trial draws to a close. The strongest evidence for the defense comes from this field in which insect specialists use the age of maggots and flies decomposing a body to help determine a time of death. Danielle, abducted from her bedroom Feb. 1, was missing 26 days and when her body was finally found, the medical examiner was unable to pinpoint when she was killed. Two forensic entomologists hired by the defense said their analyses suggested her body was dumped along a roadside in mid-February, long after Westerfield was under constant police surveillance.

Prosecutors, who have a pile of other evidence against Westerfield, including hair, blood and fingerprint evidence, hired Goff soon after the first defense entomologist testified.

Goff said Tuesday he disagreed with the conclusions of both defense experts, but the time frame he offered, Feb. 9 to Feb. 14, was only slightly earlier than theirs and did not neatly fit the prosecution's theory that Danielle was killed between Feb. 2 and Feb. 4 while Westerfield claims he was on a solo camping trip. Prosecutor Jeff Dusek had to question his own expert in much the same way as he cross-examined the defense experts, hinting that variables in the weather and the disposal of Danielle's body cast doubt on the certainty of any entomological findings.

Goff agreed that very hot, very dry weather conditions in San Diego in February might have mummified Danielle's 58-pound body almost immediately and that flies may not have been attracted to the desiccated body. A forensic anthropologist, called by the prosecution last week to cast doubt on the bug evidence, said the insects may have arrived later and only after coyotes and other animals began scavenging her body and Goff said this scenario seemed possible.

He also said a covering, such as a blanket, might have kept flies at bay initially. No covering was found and Goff later said the longest delay by such a shroud was two and a half days.

Much of his testimony was a detailed view into the mathematical nuts and bolts of his conclusions. Goff did not look at the bugs himself. Instead, he reviewed photos and the reports of the defense experts. He told jurors he came up with four separate time lines based on two different temperatures at two separate locations, a golf course a mile and a half from the crime scene and National Weather Service station farther away.

Goff's testimony bounced between these four sets of findings and even after he said the lower temperature and the weather service station provided the most reliable, appropriate date, it was often unclear which findings he was referring to. He peppered his speech with entomological jargon like "accumulated degree hours" and referred to blowflies by their the Latin names. He talked about temperatures in Celsius degrees, frequently prompting Dusek to ask for a Fahrenheit translation. Much of his work seemed lost on jurors, who stopped taking notes early on in his testimony.

On cross-examination, defense lawyer Steven Feldman grilled him about the way he calculated the day-to-day temperatures which dictate how fast an insect grows. Goff explained the process, but then Feldman handed him a pocket calculator and asked him to review his findings. With the courtroom completely silent, Goff added rows of figures and discovered his errors. Feldman asked him if the mistakes effected the accuracy of his estimates and Goff said they did. Several jurors picked up their notebooks and began writing rapidly.

A few minutes later, under questioning by Dusek, Goff said the slip ups made little difference in the ultimate conclusions. And as he had earlier in his testimony, he emphasized to jurors that his was an extremely narrow study of bugs, not a "stopwatch" for determining time of death.

"We're establishing a minimum period of time the insects have been feeding on the body," said Goff.

"Are you establishing a time of death?" asked prosecutor Jeff Dusek.

"No, that's outside our area of expertise," said Goff.

Danielle's parents, Brenda and Damon van Dam, watched most of the testimony from the back row of the courtroom, occasionally flinching as Goff described the condition of their daughter's remains.

The prosecution rested its rebuttal case after Goff's testimony. There will be no witnesses Wednesday and the defense will put on its sur-rebuttal case Thursday. Closing arguments could happen as early as next Monday.

Also Tuesday, a lab technician testified that orange clothes some law enforcement officers wore when searching Westerfield's house were not the source of fibers found in both the defendant's home and in Danielle's necklace.

The trial is being broadcast live on Court TV.



TOPICS: Society
KEYWORDS: bugguys; daniellevandam; davidwesterfield
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To: cyncooper
He did and they ignored his requests.
1,021 posted on 08/02/2002 1:56:10 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: hoosiermama
John, is it possible that Barb is also a felon and cannot testify?

Probably not, for she apparently has a valid real estate license. I believe they suspend or revoke such licenses, for a felony.

I'm not positive. But I have heard anecdotes where licenses were suspended, for non-payment of child support, and for DUI.

It fall under the clause permitting the Commissioner of Real Estate to suspend or revoke the license, of a licensee convicted of a crime (felony or misdemeanor) involving "moral turpitude." Sect. 10177(b) of Real Estate Law.

I'm sourcing from an out of date book, but if anything revocations have become more strict since my book.

You ask: They are in the mortgage business, so what is the stuff about real estate licenses? It is because most people practicing mortgage business in CA do so under Real Estate Broker and Agent licenses--it is required that they be licensed.

1,022 posted on 08/02/2002 2:51:29 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
It is either good science or it isn't. If it is not, it should never be used by a prosecutor again, IMO.

It is simply a single element, from among the several types of evidence.

Blood, DNA, Hair, Fiber, etc. could similarly be questioned, as to the "goodness" of the science.That issue has not yet been strongly argued, by either side.

After all of the wrangling over bug science, I'm not ready to put full weight on it, alone.

1,023 posted on 08/02/2002 3:01:26 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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To: John Jamieson
There are various timelines among these "experts". How do you explain it?
1,024 posted on 08/03/2002 12:16:42 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
I been studying the bugmen's calculations, comparing one with another. As we progressed from one to another each took into consideration MORE possible temperature sets, MORE experimental tests results from MORE researches and became MORE conservative in using the magot mass corrections. Each time the range of possible egg deposition became a little wider.

Making the corrections for Goff's minor math errors, makes little difference in his conclusions. Each man tried to do a better job of widening the interval to see if the prosecution's theory of the crime could work, and yet all concluded that it COULD NOT.

I think ALL were intellicually honest and each felt a serious need to do the job right. My hat's off to them for their hard work and clear thinking. Anyone of them that could have made Dusek's case would have a job testifing for the prosecution for the rest of their lives. They applied the science as best it could be done and all came to the same conclusion. DW couldn't have done it alone.
1,025 posted on 08/03/2002 12:49:09 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
>>>They applied the science as best it could be done and all came to the same conclusion. DW couldn't have done it alone.<<<

That's not the case at all. 3 of 7 say the bug infestation could have started before Feb 4. And the others explained how certain variables could have "skewed" their results in whatever way. If any of these jurors put any weight into this easily skewed science in deciding if Westerfield fate ONE WAY OR THE OTHER I'd say their minds are easily skewed.

1,026 posted on 08/03/2002 4:38:56 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Come on Greg, you know that the "3 of 7" were not bugmen and that all 3 recommended that real bugmen be brought in to narrow the timeline. Please be honest in your posts.
1,027 posted on 08/03/2002 7:31:27 PM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: John Jamieson
If you want to argue about someones title regarding this highly subjective field that's your perogative. So Cyril Wecht has no credibility whatever in your opinion?

I hate to tell you but most likely the jury will disregard all this bug BS.

1,028 posted on 08/04/2002 2:01:16 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: bvw
>>>he is not interested in the actual reality<<<

Tell us all about the actual reality...Is it that Westerfield is actually innocent??

BWAAAAHAAAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

1,029 posted on 08/04/2002 2:15:40 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
So have you decided who was collecting the child rape porno yet? Was it the "fine young man" or Daddy?
1,030 posted on 08/04/2002 2:17:43 AM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
I know who was MAKING CHILD PORNOGRAPHY in Poway and was Brooke L. Rowland, arrested just after he dumped Danielle's body on 2/15.
1,031 posted on 08/04/2002 5:37:27 AM PDT by John Jamieson
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To: Greg Weston
The "child rape porno" evidence was reviewed by a computer forensic expert. He has testified it was a deleted file. That means NOBODY was collecting it.
1,032 posted on 08/04/2002 7:00:44 AM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw
Sorry but I think you are not aware of the evidence. The illegal porno was on zip disks and CD's, that means someone put in on deliberatly. Do you think DW is a scumbag for trying to blame his son for the child rape porno?
1,033 posted on 08/04/2002 5:57:10 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Hey Greggie.....can't you find anything else to do?

Either you carry on as you do as some kind of over-compensation for your own hang-ups or you need to get Daddy to fix your bike or skateboard so you can go back outside and play with your friends.

You contribute nothing here and even those who believe DW is guilty ignore you. Maybe it's time to realize that you aren't quite fitting in.

1,034 posted on 08/04/2002 6:49:59 PM PDT by Southflanknorthpawsis
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To: Southflanknorthpawsis
>>>and even those who believe DW is guilty ignore you.<<<

Really? Can you name a few of those people?

1,035 posted on 08/04/2002 9:29:53 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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To: Greg Weston
Man oh man you have fired up the ol' disruptor engine and it is slipping some gears there, greggie. Just not firing on all cylinders -- and such a little three cylinder put-put as you all got up there in the cranial regions, missing on a cylinder is causing some ser-eee-oss backfiring. You have too much carbon build-up, greggie, way too much. You are gonna fossilize and lock it all up if'n you ain't careful. You all need a mighty rebuild job in the attic there, greggie. Some whole big amount of scrapping and turning -- a complete top-end re-machining. So much to take off there greggie, would be hardly anything left up there afterwards.

Be good, bro' -- but do get some help.

1,036 posted on 08/04/2002 9:55:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: bvw; Greg Weston
I found a great link on another thread. Totally hilarious
http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/index.html


Thou art only mark'd for hot vengeance and the rod of heaven

Thou wayward hedge-born jolt-head!

Idol of idiot-worshippers!

Thou unmuzzled unwash'd skainsmate!

Truly thou art damned, like an ill-roasted egg, all on one side.

[Thou] mountain of mad flesh!

[You] live in the rank sweat of an enseamed bed,
Stew'd in corruption, honeying and making love ove the nasty sty!

1,037 posted on 08/04/2002 10:00:52 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: bvw
"The "child rape porno" evidence was reviewed by a computer forensic expert. He has testified it was a deleted file"

the cd's AND zip files had child porn on them.

Where did you read there was only one recovered deleted file?


1,038 posted on 08/04/2002 10:08:53 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: bvw
http://video.uniontrib.com/news/metro/danielle/transcripts/20020604-9999-pm2.html

EXCERPTS FROM FELDMAN'S OPENING

snip
THEY HAD SEIZED HIS COMPUTERS. YOU SAW A COUPLE OF PICTURES OF NAKED GIRLS.

Snip

IN EACH OF THOSE PICTURES, NOT THE SIX SMALL

16 CHILDREN THAT YOU WERE SHOWN ON DIRECT, THEY'RE THERE, NO ISSUE.

17 BUT THE 1700 OR 1800 OTHER PHOTOS IN ANOTHER NOTEBOOK, AND A

18 NUMBER OF MPEGS, OKAY. WHAT MR. DUSEK REFERRED TO IS WHAT HE

19 CALLED "MEN FORCING THEMSELVES ON YOUNG GIRLS," OKAY,

(my notes:This is admitting they will see them..that's why he's attempting to show that dw did not download them)
1,039 posted on 08/04/2002 10:10:19 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~
"The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers." (Henry VI, Pt. II, Act IV, Sc. 2)
1,040 posted on 08/04/2002 10:29:07 PM PDT by Greg Weston
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