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Our Memorial to Doctor Atkins
5/24/03 | chicagolady

Posted on 05/24/2003 2:35:47 AM PDT by chicagolady

Well, Some of us Freepers are going to give the Atkins Diet the good ole college try! Now that several articles have been posted on the Atkins diet.. a truly good proven way to lose weight we invite all you folks who are serious to come and join in our comments and suggestions. Since staying positive adds to the joy on the journey, I invite you to stay POSITIVE. Let us know what works for you and what doesn't. I would like to suggest that we "freep mail" each other through out the week for support. Also Let's comment on the different low-carb products on the market, so some of us do not waste our money on stuff that tastes funkie!


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I am thrilled that so many Freepers asked to be on the ping for Atkins. Let us know when you are going to start and we can have a new "weekly" thread besides freep mailing each other through the week. Welcome newbies and old Atkins retreads! If you fall off.. get up and try again!!
1 posted on 05/24/2003 2:35:47 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady; WaterDragon; Redrivergal; reformedliberal; onyx; jellybean; AUsome Joy; Lil'freeper; ..
Here We go! And a big thanks to Dr. Atkins for all his hard work! He hung in there when everyone was against him!

My first trade secret Some of the best low carb condiments are made by Jok'n'Al.... they have Barbque sauce that is out of this world! only 2 carbs per 1TBSP
It gives a constant diet of meat a little pizzaz
2 posted on 05/24/2003 2:45:37 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady; drdemars; onyx; kcvl
Ping!
3 posted on 05/24/2003 2:48:48 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: gopheraj
Ping!
4 posted on 05/24/2003 2:50:06 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: DocFarmer
Come on down!
5 posted on 05/24/2003 2:53:31 AM PDT by chicagolady
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To: chicagolady
Yahoo. LOL We're still on the diet. Hubby has lost 40 lbs since February. I have no idea how much weight I have lost (since I tend to get discouraged easily) but do know I've dropped 4 dress sizes. Atkins is a diet you can stay on. Even going out to eat is no problem. Went to Red Lobster and ordered rib eye steak, caesar salad and grilled asparagus. Told waiter if he brought bread he'd die a horrible death.
6 posted on 05/24/2003 4:44:34 AM PDT by gopheraj
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To: chicagolady
Just found out that two of the meds I am on will keep me from losing weight :(

Will see if my doctor will let me off them. I never thought about it but I started really gaining weight after I started taking them in the first place.
7 posted on 05/24/2003 5:57:30 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: chicagolady; kcvl
Good morning, chicagolady!

Here's an important article I think everyone should read...What if it's all been a Big Fat Lie?.

8 posted on 05/24/2003 6:02:07 AM PDT by jellybean (Not a member of the wet panties brigade)
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To: chicagolady
What a good idea for a thread! Please add me to the ping list for Atkins. Knowing that there are other Freepers low-carbing is definitely a motivator for me. I'm grateful that while he was still alive, Dr. Atkins saw his work acknowledged by scientific studies and appreciated by the general public at last. The Atkins diet works - and after the induction phase it's much less strict than people think.
9 posted on 05/24/2003 7:03:37 AM PDT by Moonmad27 ("Run free, Samurai Jack")
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To: jellybean
I loved that article and have E-mailed it to friends.
10 posted on 05/24/2003 7:16:36 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: CathyRyan
I've also sent it to several friends as well as printed it out and given it to others.

Nice to 'see' you again!

11 posted on 05/24/2003 8:38:36 AM PDT by jellybean (Not a member of the wet panties brigade)
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To: chicagolady
Lunch...

steak and egg salad

steak
boiled egg
lettuce
cabbage
cheddar cheese

Marie's Blue Chesse Dressing (zero carbs in this dressing) (2 tablespoons at 170 cals).

I feel like any minute a revival preacher is go to tell me I am going to h*ll for eating this way.

If this doesn't work I had a good meal anyway. :)
12 posted on 05/24/2003 9:10:45 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: jellybean
Hi, It has been awhile. My computer died and I decided to take a break from the cyber world. How have you been?
13 posted on 05/24/2003 9:12:51 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: chicagolady
Please add me to your ping list! I bought Atkins New Diet Revolution and the cookbook a couple of weeks ago, and am getting started. Having a tough time yesterday and today because I got some kind of gastro-intestinal bug, and my stomach is all roiled up. I want bland food. I had a poached egg on a slice of light bread (5 carbs) this morning, and that went down OK. When I think bland though, I think Cream of Wheat, mashed potatoes, chicken noodle soup. eeeeeh.
14 posted on 05/24/2003 9:47:32 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: CathyRyan
I've been doing great!! I wondered what happened to you. Hope all is well with you.
15 posted on 05/24/2003 9:52:48 AM PDT by jellybean (Not a member of the wet panties brigade)
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To: chicagolady
http://www.latortillafactory.com/
16 posted on 05/24/2003 10:11:15 AM PDT by El Sordo
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To: chicagolady
I have been on Atkins for about a month, and lost 12 lbs. A few tips.

1) If you are on any meds, check with your doc. I had one that was keeping me from losing at first, even though I was in ketosis.

2) Get metabostix, hat show you are metabolising fat. They help keep you motivated.

3) Check out Atkins Endulge after you are done with induction. They are awesome. Get them at WalMart where they are less than $1 each. Also, Hershey and Brachs make sugar free candy.

4) Learn about net carbs from the Atkins Site. Lots of foods have either fiber or sugar alcohols in their carb counts, neither of which affect blood sugar. Atkins used to focus much more on total carbs, which wasn't nearly as easy to follow.

5) You can buy low carb bread at the store. It is better and cheaper than Atkins bread. I use one at 5g net carbs a slice, so you still have to eat very little.

6) Atkins makes a chocolate, raspberry or vanilla syrup that you can use to make tasty drinks. If you use heavy cream and seltzer with them you get a nice drink w/ no carbs.

Good luck folks.

17 posted on 05/24/2003 11:28:31 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: El Sordo
Oh yeah- those tortillas are the best!
18 posted on 05/24/2003 11:28:56 AM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: chicagolady
I forgot...

1) Remember that Atkins isn't really an eat all you want diet.You should eat when you're hungry. Compulsive eating will still make weight loss hard.

2) Yahoo and Atkins both have online ways to track progress and set goals. It's cool seeing a graph showing your weight dropping. Both are free.

This is my second time on Atkins, and I am finding it much easier now that I learned stuff beyond just his first book.
19 posted on 05/24/2003 11:46:28 AM PDT by sharktrager (There are 2 kids of people in this world: people with loaded guns and people who dig.)
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To: chicagolady
There are some of us who never went into Ketosis when dieting. I am one of them. That isn't to say that the program didn't work for me. It did. But now that I am in permanent maintenance, I just don't worry about Ketosis.

One thing to remember though. If you are in Ketosis, keep some breath mints around. People will like talking to you more. Ketosis really affects the air we exhale. Or use some sugar-free gum.

20 posted on 05/24/2003 12:06:26 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: chicagolady; All
Excited and thrilled to answer PING! Fabulous Job, chicagolady!

I trust that everyone subscribes to the ATKINS NEWSLETTER? If not, sign-up at ATKINSCENTER.com.

On this holiday weekend, try not to cheat, but should anyone find that slice of pie or frosted cake too tempting to pass-by, then I recommend a "one day diet of pure water and five 2-oz. portions macadamia nuts spread throughout your waking hours," to jump-start the metabolism! Total calories 1000, so the added benefit is a quickie loss of at least one pound!

Macadamia nuts were Dr. Atkins's favorite food for curbing his appetite for sweets! (And, of course, he was right! Again, as always)!

My own concoction for my favorite dessert; --- tastes like lemon pie. Combine, (meaning whip, blend or mix) 1 - 8oz. pkg cream cheese with 1 - packet lemon flavored "crystal light."

Good luck every body!

God Bless our Veterans, our lost heroes, on this Memorial Day Weekend. And God Bless Dr. Atkins, our personal hero --- who'd often refer to macadamia nuts as "heavenly" --- well now he knows!

21 posted on 05/24/2003 12:32:26 PM PDT by onyx
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To: El Sordo
Re: Tortilla Factory, low carb tortillas!
THANK YOU! Tortillas are my down-fall! Thanks to you, I've just learned I can buy the low-carb one's at my local Ralph's!!!!!!
22 posted on 05/24/2003 12:37:11 PM PDT by onyx
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To: onyx
Glad to help. I have a similar tortilla waekness.

One warning. Those babies have SERIOUS fiber. 9 grams per small tortilla, I recall. If you are not used to a high fiber diet you might not want to eat too many at a single meal right off the bat.
23 posted on 05/24/2003 1:11:46 PM PDT by El Sordo
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To: El Sordo
One per day will amke me soooooooo happy!
24 posted on 05/24/2003 1:13:35 PM PDT by onyx
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To: onyx
Onyx, Thanks for the reminder

Land of the Free ..Because of the Brave!
We salute you Veterans!!
25 posted on 05/24/2003 1:53:02 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: TruthNtegrity
Thanks for the input! I am reading a book called the Diet Cure.. She recommends low carb living. But She talks about folks who have a hard time digesting fat. I think I am one of those.. she describes the symptoms. So I just started taking "Lipase" that helps digest fat.(It is a larger dose that most "regular" folks would use.) If anyone wants info they can freep mail me!
One of my biggest trials on Atkins is that I am allergic to EGGS! The main staple! I love Eggs..but they do not love me! I can sqeak by if I have an eggs once a week or ever 2 weeks.
26 posted on 05/24/2003 1:59:09 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: El Sordo
Thanks for the tip.. This Mexican needs a good tortilla every once in a while! Now any low carb pinto beans??
27 posted on 05/24/2003 2:03:49 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: .38sw
Get well soon!
28 posted on 05/24/2003 2:04:59 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: Moonmad27
To tell you the truth it is a real motivator for me to do this with other folks also, welcome aboard!
29 posted on 05/24/2003 2:06:54 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: CathyRyan
I was told that "Advil" stops fat burning also!!
30 posted on 05/24/2003 2:08:38 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: CathyRyan; chicagolady
will keep me from losing weight

They may, they may not. Different things will affect everyone differently. I stalled on soy products, others find that sugar substitues or dairy slow them down. Just pay attention and make adjustments. Keeping a journal helped correlate stalls with specific foods.

31 posted on 05/24/2003 3:00:07 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: chicagolady
Carbolite chocolate bars - WalMart 96 cents each...YUM!
32 posted on 05/24/2003 8:38:50 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: Lil'freeper
Keeping a journal helped correlate stalls with specific foods and medications, I should add.
33 posted on 05/25/2003 4:19:43 AM PDT by Lil'freeper (Feeling silly that I didn't read the initial posts correctly...)
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To: CathyRyan
I remember being on the Atkins diet years ago. Some called it the drinking man's diet because you could have alcohol. One thing got me through the hunger for white looking creamy food and it is the egg salad made with cream cheese. I would eat it on lettuce leaves when I wanted to snack. Lunch meat roll ups with cheese in the middle and fixing a plate that looks nice helps too. I'll post the egg salad recipe if anyone wants it.
34 posted on 05/25/2003 8:18:12 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: chicagolady
Please add me to the ping list. I'm beginning my second run at Atkins.
35 posted on 05/25/2003 8:38:11 AM PDT by ecurbh (HHD - Entmoot '04 is the place to be!)
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To: chicagolady
I was watching Fox news this morning, and they had the doctor (can't remember his name) on who answers viewers' questions. He talked about the Atkins diet, and made at least two false statements. 1. All of the saturated fat in the diet is bad - you're arteries will eventuall clog up. Well, it isn't all saturated fat. We eat a lot of fish, chicken, lean pork, and use olive oil and stay away from hydrogenated fats. And the artery clogging, I believe, is caused by factors other than consumptions of fats, other than trans-fats, which are not a good thing to consume. Stay away from vegetable shortening (in many baked goods) and margarines. 2. The diet avoids fruits and vegetables, which are needed for antioxidants, so you're risk of malignancies increases. I guess the good doctor hasn't read the book. We eat a ton of green leafy vegetables and other types of non-starchy veggies, fruits like tomatoes, blueberries, raspberries, melons. Don't these qualify as fruits and veggies? Blueberries in particular are high in antioxidants.

He also said that if you do go on this diet, you should go on a statin drug to control your cholesterol. He is a cardiologist, btw.

36 posted on 05/25/2003 8:49:09 AM PDT by .38sw
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To: RJayneJ
I would love the recipe for egg salad!
37 posted on 05/25/2003 9:14:19 AM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: CathyRyan
I have the online version of the Clinton Legacy Cookbook still on my website. http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/page29c.htm

A Chickens hit Outfit

Scroll down to the Cream Cheese Egg Salad

38 posted on 05/25/2003 10:20:26 AM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: ecurbh
Glad you could join us! I just came home from lunch..broiled salmon and a salad it was great now I am gonna go ride my bike for a little while.

Cheers!
39 posted on 05/25/2003 12:43:55 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: .38sw
He is probably the type of guy who helped lower the "NORM" for cholesterol! So he could push the high priced AND DEADLY cholesterol Drugs! Nice guy!
Hope your day is going well, I am gonna go and try to get a little exercise..a slow paced bike ride.
40 posted on 05/25/2003 12:47:00 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: sharktrager
I always heard there are 2 kinds of people in this world

1)people with guns
2)moving targets!
41 posted on 05/25/2003 12:51:15 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: RJayneJ
Thank you! It sounds wonderful.
42 posted on 05/25/2003 1:08:14 PM PDT by CathyRyan
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To: chicagolady
Please add me to the ping list. I have question about Diet Rite Cola which I started drinking a couple of weeks ago in place of Diet Pepsi. I seem to have developed the munchies hunger and I'm nodding off again. I know that Sucra is derived from sugar so I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on this.
43 posted on 05/25/2003 1:27:13 PM PDT by tubebender ((?))
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To: CathyRyan
It is to die for... I love it. Let it sit in the frig about an hour before you taste it. (The Vidilia onions on in season.) I am making some tomorrow. When we entertained I would put it on the bar with some cracker. I had a party once and my friend said her husband wanted her to make it so she wanted the recipe. They started tasting and thought it was too bland and not the same thing he ate the night before and they started doctoring and of course ruined it. It is one of the few things my husband specifically asks me to make. For some reason men love it too.
44 posted on 05/25/2003 1:46:50 PM PDT by RJayneJ
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To: tubebender
Absolutely! I also get Very hungry after I drink a diet soda. It does not matter which! Some folks do not have that reaction. I am better off sticking with water. I have an occassional soda but I know I am better off with out it!
I get TERRIBLE gas after eating product with Splenda..others do not. I become a human fart machine! It is funny ..But then again it isn't!
You have to listen to your body!
45 posted on 05/25/2003 2:27:21 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: WaterDragon; Redrivergal; reformedliberal; onyx; jellybean; AUsome Joy; Lil'freeper; drdemars; ...
All in all it has been a great low carb day. I must say having all you buddies has given me more motavation. I went grocery shopping and bike riding! I now it is so important to me to have food to bring to work.. otherwise I leave myself open for disaster!

Hope all of you are doing well! Hang in there!
46 posted on 05/25/2003 2:40:59 PM PDT by chicagolady
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To: tubebender
I know that Sucra is derived from sugar so I'm curious if anyone has any thoughts on this.

I don't have my sources handy but there has been some recent research into the biochemistry of sugar 'addiction'. One study with rats showed that given a choice they preferred sugared foods in dramatically increasing quantities. And when the sugared foods were withheld they exhibited withdrawal symptoms- shaking, disturbed sleep, and measurable changes in body and brain chemistry. So by extension, the 'sugar is addictive' argument has at least some merit.

Another study (I can't remember if it was rats or humans) measured changes in brain chemistry in individuals with the tendency toward sugar addiction. When given sugar substitutes their brains responded as though it was real sugar- and it sparked cravings for sugar. So while the calorie-free, sugar-free substitutes may have little to no effect on insulin and blood sugar, there is a brain component to sweet things in some individuals. My personal experience as a first-class sugar addict is that the cravings diminish over time such that I can handle a little sweet now and again without setting the craving cycle off all over again. This is also a function of infrequency and portion control. :)

When I get to work on Tuesday, I'll try to find the citations for those studies.

47 posted on 05/25/2003 3:28:18 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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To: tubebender
I think Diet Rite Cola has no caffeine, which would leave you nodding off if you're use to a caffeine-fix.
48 posted on 05/25/2003 4:09:42 PM PDT by WaterDragon (America the beautiful, I love this nation of immigrants.)
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To: chicagolady
I fell off the regimine the last couple of days while ill. I tried eating low carb, high protein, but my stomach couldn't take it. I ended up eating some oatmeal, and toast and poached eggs. I ate so little for the last couple of days, I needed to get something in me that didn't make my stomach cramp and the rest of my system rebel. Oh well. I'm not beating myself up over it. I'm much better today. Hubby and I were working HARD in our yard today, so I burned up a whole lotta calories. We bought this house last summer, and the yard is a disaster, so we have much to do. Just with the work we did today, it looks better already! I also had a turkey sandwich for lunch. Yes, I know. I used Orowheat Light bread, with 11 net grams of carbs for two slices. I still can't bear to look at a salad and too much meat yet, so I'm compromising. The light bread isn't too bad with the 11 net carbs, and 80 calories for the two slices. Probably by tomorrow my gastric system will be back to normal.

I hope everyone else is having a good Memorial Day weekend, and keeping up the good work with the Atkins.
49 posted on 05/25/2003 4:22:50 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: .38sw
Was that Rosenfeld (sp?)? I've never cared for either him or his advice. He, like most doctors, is too quick to perscribe a pill and ignore the underlying dietary sources of the condition.

When I first read the Atkins book I was very curious at his poorly supported statement to not 'worry about saturated fat'. When I began to research it, I discovered that the nutrition research community is not at all agreed that saturated fat will clog up all your arteries, give you cancer, diabetes, three-headed children and so on. Indeed I found that many truly essential fatty acids and fat-soluable vitamins (such as A, D, K) are found only in saturated fats from animal sources. Saturated fats are the precursors to hormones and prostaglandins. They are required to maintain the rigidity of cell membranes. I read a suggestion that the plaque buildups are the body's attempt to strengthen weak arterial cells. High levels of cholesterol, similarly, are the body's response to disease, not the cause. The nutrition underground makes some compelling arguments- arguments that are at least as well supported as Rosenfeld's 'advice'.

In my reading, a few names kept popping up: Uffe Ravnskov, MD, PhD (the cholesterol guy), Mary Enig, PhD (the 'fat' lady), Sally Fallon the Weston A. Price Foundation and others. Their work is phenomenal, their critics can only muster ad hominen attacks. I've not read Ravnskov's books, only letters and short essays on the web. But I do own Enig's "Know Your Fats". It delves into the biochemistry of fats, but she takes care to explain things well. It is very even-handed, she avoids the herd-mentality bias against saturated fats, indeed she highlights some virtues. I highly recommend it. Many of her shorter essays are at the Weston A. Price Foundation's website. Atkins was right, Enig and sidekick Sally Fallon explain why. Their cookbook "Nourishing Traditions" is the core of our maintainence diet.

50 posted on 05/25/2003 4:24:29 PM PDT by Lil'freeper
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