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Could Ron Paul Be the Ralph Nader of 2008?
Commentary Magazine ^ | November 6, 2007 | John Podhoretz

Posted on 11/06/2007 8:10:23 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Rep. Ron Paul, the maverick Texas Republican who is running as an anti-war libertarian in the Republican primary, has come charging out of nowhere to become the leading fundraiser in the brief history of the Internet. Yesterday, his campaign reported a one-day take around $3.8 million, with an average donation of $98.

In one respect, Paul deserves his success. He is a far more articulate and coherent critic of administration policy in Iraq than any candidate on the Democratic side, speaking as he does the frank and plain language of the isolationist. “The fundamental question remains,” he said in 2004, “Why should young Americans be hurt or killed to liberate foreign nations? I have never heard a convincing answer to this question.”

What distinguishes Paul from the anti-war gadfly Dennis Kucinich in the Democratic Party is that Kucinich speaks alternately the language of the brainless pacifist — he would form a Department of Peace to replace the Pentagon — and the language of the far from brainless New Left, according to which the sins of the United States are sufficiently grave to deny it any kind of moral legitimacy abroad. Paul’s isolationism is rooted in the age-old American fear that we will be morally compromised by the sins of other nations who do not breathe the same sweet air of American exceptionalism.

At the same time, it seems to surprise many that Paul’s undeniable grassroots effectiveness hasn’t translated to a showing either in national or state polls. That’s surely due to the fact that many if not most of those who are sending money to Paul are not, in fact, Republicans. They are more plausibly among the 3 million or so who voted for Ralph Nader on the Green Party line in 2000, or even among those who rained money down on Howard Dean in the summer of 2003.

Which brings to mind an interesting scenario for 2008: Could Ron Paul run an independent candidacy for president in 2008 on a libertarian/anti-war/anti-monetarist platform? At this moment, it seems plausible, especially if the Democratic party nominates Hillary Clinton, who is bizarrely considered a neocon hawk by the Left netroots.

And despite Paul’s nominal standing as a Republican — and it is nominal — wouldn’t his candidacy draw more from disaffected Democrats, as liberal Republican John Anderson’s 1980 third-party candidacy pulled voters away from Jimmy Carter and not from Ronald Reagan?


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I see Ron Paul hurting the democrats more than the republicans, as the peacecreeps, Birkenstockers, young & old hippies, etc. have an alternative to Hillary or whomever is the dem standard bearer. I don't believe that Paul is raising millions in a 20 hour period from people that would normally vote republican.
1 posted on 11/06/2007 8:10:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I gave money to Ralph Nader last time around to help him stay in the race to hurt the democrats.


2 posted on 11/06/2007 8:13:02 PM PST by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Most who would vote for Ron Paul over the Republican nominee wouldn’t be voting for the Republican nominee anyway, not to mention that Ron Paul would have to re-register as an independent and qualify separately for it to even be an issue.
3 posted on 11/06/2007 8:13:55 PM PST by kingu (No, I don't use sarcasm tags - it confuses people.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Ron Paul would be an ass if he ran as a third party candidate or got others to not vote Republican.

All the BS comes down to causing a Democrat “probably Hillary” elected.

So who’s the genius on this thread that can justify that outcome for the sake of Ron Paul or third party worship?

4 posted on 11/06/2007 8:14:28 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What distinguishes Paul from the anti-war gadfly Dennis Kucinich in the Democratic Party is that Kucinich speaks alternately the language of the brainless pacifist — he would form a Department of Peace to replace the Pentagon — and the language of the far from brainless New Left, according to which the sins of the United States are sufficiently grave to deny it any kind of moral legitimacy abroad. Paul’s isolationism is rooted in the age-old American fear that we will be morally compromised by the sins of other nations who do not breathe the same sweet air of American exceptionalism.

IMO, I don't think their explanation of this is too good; the difference between the foreign policy of Kuccinch and Paul is like night and day:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1906994/posts?page=237#237
5 posted on 11/06/2007 8:16:41 PM PST by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In one respect, Paul deserves his success. He is a far more articulate and coherent critic of administration policy in Iraq than any candidate on the Democratic side, . . .

Articulate and Coherent? Has this idiot actually listened to Run Paul during the debates? What a joke. Run Paul did nothing more than ramble and bumble his way through saying nothing at all.

6 posted on 11/06/2007 8:17:22 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: SoldierDad

You must remember that “divide and conquer” is an ancient strategy still in use today.


7 posted on 11/06/2007 8:18:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Your "dirt" on Fred is about as persuasive as a Nancy Pelosi Veteran's Day Speech)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Could Ron Paul Be the Ralph Nader of 2008?

He is,as nader,paul is a looser.

8 posted on 11/06/2007 8:24:16 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served,to keep us free)
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To: SoldierDad
Articulate and Coherent? Has this idiot actually listened to Run Paul during the debates? What a joke. Run Paul did nothing more than ramble and bumble his way through saying nothing at all.

That still qualifies as more articulate and coherent than the democrats.

9 posted on 11/06/2007 8:43:38 PM PST by CzarNicky (The problem with bad ideas is that they seemed like good ideas at the time.)
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To: CzarNicky

Point well taken.


10 posted on 11/06/2007 8:46:14 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a 2nd BCT 10th Mountain Division Soldier fighting terrorists in the Triangle of Death)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
That’s what I’ve been saying all along. Let TehRon take his millions (given almost entirely by liberals no doubt) and form another party. Republicans will be glad to be rid of such an embarrassment.
11 posted on 11/06/2007 9:00:19 PM PST by End Times Crusader (Chris Peden for Congress 2008 - send Ron Paul packing)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He’s seemingly very popular in the Seattle area. That should say something. My opinion, he’s popular with the anti-war left that also finds the high taxing & nannystate nature of the democrats unappealing.


12 posted on 11/06/2007 9:14:15 PM PST by I_like_good_things_too
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; A CA Guy

Ron Paul would not pull any of the leading Republican’s votes away. As an independent, he would definately hurt the Democrat candidate. Actually, I think he is hurting them now by 1). pulling money away from Hillary and Obama... and the other dwarfs 2). Showing people that the Republicans are not monolyths. That we have independent thought - even as crazy as some might me.


13 posted on 11/07/2007 5:32:45 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Could Ron Paul Be the Ralph Nader of 2008?

Nope.

14 posted on 11/09/2007 1:41:11 PM PST by b4its2late (GITMO is way too nice of a place to house low life terrorists.)
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To: cripplecreek
I gave money to Ralph Nader last time around to help him stay in the race to hurt the democrats.

I gathered some signatures to try to get Nader on the ballot in '04.

15 posted on 11/09/2007 1:43:46 PM PST by NeoCaveman ("Don't doubt me" - The Great El Rushbo)
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To: NeoCaveman

Is there a time limit or scheduling problem for Ron Paul to register independant if he loses Republican Primaries? Can he do that?


16 posted on 11/10/2007 10:00:36 PM PST by Hunterite
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The same thing could also be asked of Al Gore, Michael Bloomberg, and other possible-read possible-POTUS candidates.


17 posted on 11/10/2007 10:05:54 PM PST by johnthebaptistmoore
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Paul is not interested in third party run

Ron Paul: No Third-Party bid for me

18 posted on 11/10/2007 10:08:05 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: End Times Crusader
Let TehRon take his millions (given almost entirely by liberals no doubt) and form another party. Republicans will be glad to be rid of such an embarrassment.

That "embarrassment" is currently #1 in fundraising for the 4Q.

19 posted on 11/10/2007 10:10:40 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Right, the Ron Paul voters I’ve met in Texas are Left-if-not-Socialist types who do not like a single “Republican”.

There is a movement among the Left to discredit Ron Paul not because of any ties to support from White Supremacist groups but because he mentions God ocassionally and says he is against abortion. The Left also doesn’t try to discredit Ron Paul over any “911 truther” claims he or his supporters have made.

The Left is afraid that he could whitle down their numbers.

I don’t think that there is a candidate in this race that Ron Paul would publicly endorse. How many voters who support Ron Paul would vote for another Republican candidate if he doesn’t get the nomination? They exist, but a lot of others have said they will sit it out.


20 posted on 11/17/2007 11:32:22 AM PST by weegee (NO THIRD TERM. America does not need another unconstitutional Clinton co-presidency.)
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