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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)
Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: HiTech RedNeck; pollywog; cyn
Called these numbers from pollywogs post #278, which contained the plea from the Schindler family to help!

Note the following responses I received:

Exec Directer of FDLE-sec Samantha-ph # 850-410-8240:

talked to samantha, said boss at lunch, but her office cannot help because ALL orders to investigate criminal behavior or other crimes must come from the Govenor's office. So I called the Govenor's office-ph#850-488-4441. Talked to an individual who was testy, did not want to take down my message-to involved-and asked that I FAX my request, she could NOT get rid of me fast enough! I don't even HAVE a FAX! the fax # 850-457-0801 ( but my partner here says the more the faxs mount up-the more attention received. If you or anyone has a FAX, please request a CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION of MS because of the suspicious and IGNORED circumstances of Terri's injury. You might also mention the fact that Michael's name appears in all types of convulted corps and that you are concerned about hidden assets and ABUSE of awarded money MEANT for Terri!

Called State Attn Bernie McCabe-ph # 727-464-6221 and explained my postition and requested info be passed on! Said the entire nation is becoming aware of the injustice surrounding the death sentance laid upon Terri.Mentioned LKL and the upcoming interview with the Schindlers and their 700 CLub visit today.

Called Internal Affairs and left message.Ph # 727-582-6301

And called Circuit Judge Demers....ph# 727-582-7882 to me important because he is the one who I understand will assign guardianship!

No answer there...but a recording requesting ya leave your name and number....So I did...and I also left a message---there was plenty of time on the machine to do this. Hope it goes thru.

In my message I simply stated that placing a guardian in place who showed no previous leanings towards euthanasia or was pro-death was as important as placing a guardian who showed no bias the other direction.

What I am going to fax him after I revise it is the following-but I have to go to kinko's to do this...I will.

I will write something along these lines: To the Honorable Judge Demer,

Imagine , Judge Demer, that you are Mr or Mrs Schindler,

- agonizing over misspent money that was for your dtr's care, now being spent on an attn seeking her death!
-Imagine, for one second, being at the mercy of a son in law, who, frequently, PUNISHED you for doing kind things for your own dtr. (No gifts, flowers, movement, sunshine, television, stimulation, etc per Michael Sciavo--FOR YEARS) What PUNISHMENT did you recieve when you acted on your dtrs' behalf? A NO VISITATION order placed by Michael Schiavo..not once, not twice, but MANY TIMES!
-Imagine not being allowed to see YOUR dtr's medical records, medical problems, medical pronosis, medical diagnosis's, and on and on, knowing the man who can, wants her dead.
- And then, Judge Demer, imagine getting to visit your dtr ONLY when monitored by someone....and then.... Michael Shiavo making that someone...his mistress, concubine, mother of his children!

How would that go down, Judge Demer, with you? Having to be in the room with the mistress or mistresses'es mom watching YOU to make sure you did not offer your dtr any THERAPY (like placing a cloth in her palms to help relax her sweaty, curling fingers cause PER MICHAEL..that is therapy and he ordered NO THERAPY) ... as you reach out for your dtr. -I don't know if this impacts you one iota Judge Demer. But I find it unbearably sick. What kind of cruelty does that fall under?
Please act for justice, assuming you care as passionately now for our laws, not only the literal, but the SPIRIT of the laws, you most certainly must have cared about once....Felos may be smooth, he may have great power in your community, but that DOES NOT MEAN HIS CAUSE IS JUST. It can mean....just the opposite. Power can be a cruel vice in the hands of the wrong people'

Cannot you not find it in your heart to let sunshine into this incredibly suffering....perhaps even assigning a guardian that will permit Terri to LITERALLY feel the sunshine on her little face...one that , unlike Michael, would permit her to wheeled out into the sunshine your state is supposed to be famous for?

Sometimes a Judge does something that he forever remembers as the right thing.

Let this be so for you, and for Terri, and for her family...and even for Michael, who may not even understand that his denial of even gentle stimulation, television, flowers in the room, outings in the sunshine...matter greatly to someone completely imprisoned in one small room.

Pick the GUARDIAN very carefully, Judge Demer. Many of us across this nation are watching carefully. Stand for the justice that cares about humane treatment.

321 posted on 10/31/2003 10:47:57 AM PST by Republic
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To: Snykerz
This info sounds like material Greta Van Susteren would be interested in, too.
322 posted on 10/31/2003 10:49:19 AM PST by windchime
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To: cyn
excellent find
323 posted on 10/31/2003 10:50:22 AM PST by tutstar
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Well stated!
324 posted on 10/31/2003 10:51:57 AM PST by windchime
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To: HiTech RedNeck
"If the issue gets kicked upstairs to the SCOTUS it could buy enough time."

Here's what I see as the perfect case scenario: investigation into allegations of the HINO get him removed as Terri's guardian. Meanwhile, while the battle against Terri's Law and the Constitution is being fought in the courts, an order is issued that would require Terri to be allowed whatever therapy might be available. (Don't you think that there might be neurologists and others who would DONATE time to this now?)

Anyway, Terri responds to treatment and rehabilitation, new tapes are made (unfettered by HINO) which prove to the world that 1) Terri was NOT vegetative, 2) HINO is a pathological liar and 3) the courts were dead wrong. Seeing this in the new light sways the court to make the right decision and uphold life and the Constitution so that this doesn't happen again, to Terri or anybody. If, in the course of the investigation, George Felos was exposed for the charlatan he is, that would be icing on the cake.

And finally, investigation of the HINO uncovers enough to bring him up on criminal charges and we pop the popcorn and watch the perp walk. It would be a really nice touch if we had a shot of Terri watching the perp walk from her wheel chair as well, and laughing out loud!

Well I DID say this would be the ideal! *Sigh*

325 posted on 10/31/2003 10:54:45 AM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: TaxRelief
I went to the Bucks Cty PA records site as well. They have more options than the FL court records site, but when I tried to access, which is free on the web, the program was (of all things) "disabled."
326 posted on 10/31/2003 10:54:48 AM PST by Graymatter
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To: Republic
I have a fax phone here in my home. If you can send me your info thru freepmail, I will fax it.
327 posted on 10/31/2003 10:56:14 AM PST by Lovergirl (Isaiah Chapter 43:3-4 You are precious to me and I love you. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: windchime
Will you send it to her?....and I'll do the same!

Give brief background (And anyone else can take the few minutes this will take as well!)

Mention that LKL is having the Schindler's on for an hour...thank goodness! And that since Fox News seems to be dropping the ball on this....giving such brief segments of time....tho appreciated....intense interest is there...and we need her investigative skills and HARD HITTING QUESTIONS..both sides!

EMAIL:

OnTheRecord@foxnews.com

328 posted on 10/31/2003 10:56:22 AM PST by Republic
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To: Lovergirl
THANK YOU! Will do right now!
329 posted on 10/31/2003 10:57:18 AM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Makw sure to send EVERY THING, INCLUDING FAX NUMBER.
330 posted on 10/31/2003 11:01:30 AM PST by Lovergirl (Isaiah Chapter 43:3-4 You are precious to me and I love you. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: Lovergirl
MAKE, TOO. lol
331 posted on 10/31/2003 11:02:29 AM PST by Lovergirl (Isaiah Chapter 43:3-4 You are precious to me and I love you. www.terrisfight.org)
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To: syriacus
Thanks for posting that. I thought I was going crazy for awhile there. If I used the link in a previous post and hit 'previous' I got the same results as the poster. However, when I used my bookmark I typed in Jerger to pull up the Ins Co and got totaly different results when hitting the 'previous' button.





332 posted on 10/31/2003 11:03:08 AM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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To: Lovergirl; Republic; cyn; floriduh voter; sweetliberty
from pc93

send to these for starters.. add reps as you go along, etc.
notice you can send a fax to anyone in washington (for free) by putting their fax number exactly how it is in the first line: remote-printer.firstname_lastname@ etc. as below.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1007658/posts?page=1202#1202

remote-printer.john_ashcroft@12025141009.iddd.tpc.int,Larry.King.Live3@turner.com,ontherecord@foxnews.com,jeb@myflorida.com,fernanr@eog.state.fl.us,raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com,calamac@eog.state.fl.us,bob.marshall@trincomm.org,speakerbyrd@myfloridahouse.com,sebesta.jim.web@flsenate.gov,lee.tom.web@flsenate.gov,drawdy.ann.so9@flsenate.gov,me@glennbeck.com,shogenson@cnsnews.com,hannity@foxnews.com,rush@eibnet.com,foxfeedback@foxnews.com,dennisprager@dennisprager.com,ruddyc@newsmax.com,jfarah@worldnetdaily.com,editor.letters@heraldtribune.com,dklement@bradentonherald.com,letters@sptimes.com,tribletters@tampatrib.com
333 posted on 10/31/2003 11:11:12 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Krodg
I'm very sorry I caused the problem in the first place.
334 posted on 10/31/2003 11:18:52 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: pollywog
While I haven't called everyone on the list yet, I will say I have talked to some very nice people who sound willing to help.
335 posted on 10/31/2003 11:19:18 AM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: texasbluebell
This is from Terri's site:

Question 2: How Did the Money Get Into Terri’s Medical Fund?

November 1992: A medical malpractice trial is petitioned by Terri's husband, Michael Schiavo. He asks the jury for 20 million dollars to pay for his wife’s (Terri) future medical and neurological requirements. This request was based on estimates of her life expectancy, which Michael Schiavo and his attorneys were estimating at 50 years.
(MY COMMENTS: $20M divided by 50 yrs = $400,000 per year. The jury decided because of Terri's supposed bulemia, her life expectancy would only have been 17 more years. Therefore, $400,000 x 17 yrs = $6.8M. This matches the figure from the lawyers website. If you then subtract 70% for Terri's supposed "attributable negligence", you come up with an actual judgement of $2.04M from this lawsuit.)

However, this is from the same page on Terri's website:

Question 1: How Much Was Originally Awarded To Terri’s Medical Fund?

Medical Malpractice Trial Jury Award

November 10, 1992 : Jury Document, Item 5. What is the amount of Theresa Schiavo's future damages for medical expenses and lost earning ability to be sustained in future years?

A.) Total damages over future years: $9,400,000.00
B.) The number of years over which those future damages are intended to provide compensation: 17 years
C.) What is the present value of those future damages: $4,300,000.00

Note: The jury award amount was reduced to $1,290,000.00 to reflect Terri’s attributable negligence. Separate from these monies was Michael Schiavo’s personal award of $600,000.00.

(My comments: $9.4M x 30% = $1.29M actually awarded.)

More from this page on Terri's site:

Prior to this trial and in a completely independent medical malpractice lawsuit, Terri was awarded $250,000.00 in an out-of-court settlement. Also, prior to the two medical malpractice lawsuits, an estimated $50,000.00 was contributed to Terri’s medical fund via community fundraisers.

In Summary, Terri has received an aggregate sum of $1,590,000.00. Nonetheless, in June of 1993, the asset balance in Terri’s account was reduced to $761, 507.50, as reported by Michael Schiavo. Schiavo's attorney, however, has sealed the accounting, which would disclose how Terri's account was depleted by approximately $828,492.50, (52%) in only 1 year and 6 months.

My comments: Although exact figures seem to vary, I think the lawyer reporting a $6.8M judgement isn't exactly truthful. I think actual money to Terri from judgements is $1.54M.
336 posted on 10/31/2003 11:31:58 AM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: Budge; floriduh voter
First Budge-just want to say I love you. Always have. This is very un Free Republic...but what you do and what you post just take my heart away!

FL-since I know that you are on the scene, and I know background on what you have done for the Schindlers and Terri, and since you are in the area, and since you might be able to call, not long distance to the circuit court and ask for Judge Demers FAX number....would ya do that? And post it here. Thanks!

337 posted on 10/31/2003 11:33:27 AM PST by Republic
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Richard M. Jerger, Jr. and Catherine Quinn-Jerger

Richard Jerger is a member of THE Jerger Family. Formerly, a big name in insurance of mobile homes, especially, in Florida

They seem to be very well off, and their company has been bought out. (see below) The company that bought them out (or did a stock swap or whatever) thought Nursing home insurance was not profitable enough. Insuring Mobile homes, like the Jergers did, is very profitable. Insurance premiums for mobile homes run maybe a third of premiums for regular homes. But it costs a small fraction (1/10?) as much to replace a mobile home as a regular home.

Jerger name is also associated with St. Petersburg College's nursing program.

Here is some info on the Jergers. Dandlion had suggested checking into them, and G. Barry Wilkinson (Jerger and Centonze's registered agent. )

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/971896/posts?q=1&&page=701

Philadelphia Consolidated, Philadelphia Insurance companies and Jerger, Co. have some connections.

According to Infotrac Variant Name for Philadelphia Insurance Companies is Jerger and Sons Inc. - due to a Merger

Jerger was acquired by Philadelphia some time back. Interesting that one of the two states named is Florida.

Finance, Insurance, Real Estate

Jerger Co (6411) Philadelphia Consolidated (6331) Value: 50.0 Announced: 03/31/99

Insurance agency Property,casualty insurance co Type: Acq. of Assets

Florida Pennsylvania

Philadelphia Consolidated Holdings Corp (PHLY) definitively agreed to acquire Jerger Co for $50 mil. The consideration was to consist of $20 mil in cash, $25 mil in PHLY common stock, and $5 mil in profit-related payments.

Stock Swap

Jerger Co FL 6411 Philadelphia Consolidated

PA 6331 50.0

Also, this

MARKET TIGHTENING FOR NURSING HOME EXPOSURES "While lawyers like Mr. Fillmore vow "to be there" for suffering patients who can't help themselves, insurers like Philadelphia Insurance Company and The St. Paul Companies have given up the cause of standing by nursing homes with liability coverage in the face of unprofitable results. "


338 posted on 10/31/2003 11:35:11 AM PST by syriacus (Casual comments about tubes, made after watching a 3 handkerchief movie, do not justify euthanasia.)
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To: 4Godsoloved..Hegave
Re: post 248 Here are the email addresses all in a string for easier copying and pasting.

guytunnell@fdle.state.fl.us, ag@oag.state.fl.us, publicaf@co.pinellas.fl.us, wqueen@pcsonet.com, sallen@pcsonet.com, kquire@pcsonet.com, courts@jud6.org, jamiemclaughlin@fdle.state.fl.us

Thank you so much 4Godsoloved..Hegave!!

339 posted on 10/31/2003 11:35:25 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: sweetliberty
HINO has been caught in yet another lie. Not that it will matter that much. He is so like Bill Clinton...tell enough lies and people will get tired of trying to keep them all straight so they just stop challenging you. Nice try. It won't work for you Michael.

Perhaps we should blame the parents since it seems to be a family trait. Remember a couple of days ago when the brother Steven said the Schindler's couldn't even get credit to rent an apartment so they lived with Michael? Here's what Michael's previous girlfriend says...

During the nearly three-hour deposition, Shook said that Michael Schiavo never talked about his wife's wishes if she ever became comatose. He never indicated to Shook that he and his wife had talked about living or dying in the event of a stroke, heart attack or car accident. And he never said to Shook that Mrs. Schiavo had indicated that she wanted to die.

What they talked about, Shook said, had nothing to do with Mrs. Schiavo's end-of-life wishes or removal of life support.

They talked about how Schiavo would get on with his life, Shook said in her deposition.

One option was building an addition to her parents' house and hiring medical staff to care for her there.

"Michael had discussed (Terri) with me in the context of what to do to get on with his life," Shook said.

I don't know how to link to the article itself so please search archives under Schiavo for the following:

"Both sides in Schiavo case say witness helpful"

http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/sptimes/

340 posted on 10/31/2003 11:39:02 AM PST by Krodg (I believe, I pray and I fight.)
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