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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) October 30-31, 2003
Various | October 30, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 10/30/2003 10:27:17 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Daily Thread 2 - October 30-31, 2003)
Link back to thread 1 - October 29, 2003

Contained in thread 1:

Summary of Terri's bone scan, transcript from "On the Record" response from Bobby Schindler and Attny. Pat Anderson to Michael Schiavo's appearance on Larry King Live, link to where to search public records for Pinellas County (for a fee), information on Terri's Lights, link to transcript from Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, synopsis of radio interview with Michael Schiavo's brother in Pennsylvania, summary of interview with Pat Anderson on Michael Reagan's show, portion of testimony from Schiavo medical malpractice trial, some links to information on the Florida death cult, names and email address for the Florida Supreme Court, information on previous GAL, Richard Pearse, Jr., information on GAL currently being proposed Jay Wolfson and links back to earlier threads on the case. Of course this overview isn't comprehensive, but my main point in this section is to provide easy reference to what could be important information. Also, links to other websites focusing on Terri's fight can be found in thread 1, here.

Thanks to everyone for your contributions and for your dedication to this fight.

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Click on pic for Terri's Website.

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

FL_Engineer suggested that if you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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Latest Threads On Terri's Case

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My apologies to (some of) the 'save Terri' posters here (a 'vanity' post)

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

Inside right-to-die case, a woman's real life (a few days old but not posted on first thread)

Michael Schiavo pleads case on CNN

What Should Happen With Terri S. (a "vanity" thread)

Schiavo lawyers challenge 'Terri's Law'


TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; reallifeghouls; righttolife; schiavo; schindler; terri; terrischiavo
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To: sweetliberty
ACLJ GETTING INVOLVED ON TERRI'S BEHALF!

ACLJ - I should send them some money. Yahoo! Jay Sekulow, right?

51 posted on 10/30/2003 12:11:42 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: tutstar
ok, will check later.

Chris Ferrara's legal brief -- via http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:JA2mdJxCPkgJ:catholiccitizens.org/newsletter/+Chris+Ferrara+legal+brief+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

>> BINGO >> http://catholiccitizens.org/content/img/f9306/ferrara%20doc.pdf
52 posted on 10/30/2003 12:12:04 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
Of course, it still doesn't explain why someone hasn't looked into this before now.

The only thing I've read is that Greer said it was irrelevant.

What would be motives for having the medical records sealed?

53 posted on 10/30/2003 12:12:43 PM PST by Aliska
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To: sweetliberty
Please add me! Thanks!
54 posted on 10/30/2003 12:13:52 PM PST by MelBelle
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To: Republic
second this motion/vote AY!. I've told a lot of people who want Terri info about FR.
55 posted on 10/30/2003 12:14:24 PM PST by cyn (http://www.terrisfight.org)
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To: sweetliberty
Been gone a couple of days...just getting caught up. What's this about the thread being pulled? We really need a place where we can get up to speed on everything. Not everyone is on the computer 24/7.
Gonna' have coffee now & check out the other threads.
Deb
56 posted on 10/30/2003 12:16:35 PM PST by kodani69
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To: lady lawyer; Aliska
"Judge Greer dismissed these allegations with a wave of his judicial wand, saying that "it would be interesting to know what happened," but that it was "irrelevant to this case." Judge Greer disregarded Jackie's and Bobby's testimony, saying that it was hearsay. That ruling will prove to be interesting in light of the judge's ruling regarding other secondhand testimony in this case."

I find this statement significant as well (this in response to corroborating testimony from Terri's best friend and from her brother relating to the knowledge of Terri having been being abused by Michael).

57 posted on 10/30/2003 12:19:37 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
HINO (husband in name only) - FINALLY, there is one really funny thing about all of this. LOL!
58 posted on 10/30/2003 12:21:33 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: sweetliberty
Can you please add these two links? Thanks!

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART1

EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW - Schindlers Respond to Michael Schiavo's Larry King Love-Fest - PART 2

59 posted on 10/30/2003 12:21:51 PM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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To: Saundra Duffy; texasbluebell
Right. Apparently he was on Harball last night too. I believe it was texasbluebell who posted that he was very convincing and seems to have brought Chris Matthews around to Terri's side.
60 posted on 10/30/2003 12:22:00 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
If I were anywhere near Terri, I'd be freeping my heart out. I don't know why anyone would pull this from "activism" either.
61 posted on 10/30/2003 12:23:44 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: All
URGENT HELP NEEDED:

I have read it, seen it, but I'll be doggone if I can FIND it and I know it is on several Terri threads!

The actual order where a GAL MUST be chosen five days after ---

Can ANYONE point me to that, please?!

62 posted on 10/30/2003 12:24:06 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: kodani69
"What's this about the thread being pulled?"

The thread isn't being pulled, it is being taken out of the sidebar under "activism." We're trying to figure out why. This is the second day thay've done it.

63 posted on 10/30/2003 12:25:07 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Republic
The spokespeople for the Schindler's aren't doing a good job with PR IMHO. It's just that they're up against that smooth talking creep (BARF) Michael Schiavo and his mini-me lawyer.
64 posted on 10/30/2003 12:26:22 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: tutstar
Take it easy, FReeper pal. I hope you'll be feeling better real soon. God bless you.
65 posted on 10/30/2003 12:27:17 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: NYer
"Can you please add these two links?"

Already did. One is in the body of this thread and the other at #38 I believe it is. Thanks.

66 posted on 10/30/2003 12:27:23 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: diamond6
Check's in the mail to ACLJ. Thanks for the contact information.
67 posted on 10/30/2003 12:28:31 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
Just checked in on this thread today and see that this thread has been pulled from " activism"??WHY??

I have had to slow back for a few days in keeping up as I haven't felt real well. With tension over Terri and the Calif. fires ( our daughter was in the Grand Prix area of the fire)....exhaustion has effected my Blood Pressure.

68 posted on 10/30/2003 12:32:40 PM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson; John Robinson
I'm echoing - The Red Zone and many others here.

Yes! I second (re-second) the motion.

How about FR having a temporary Terri sidebar?

69 posted on 10/30/2003 12:34:05 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty
I'll just post the link here to my comment on that other thread about Sekulow and his appearance last night. I'm glad he's on Terri's side!

link

70 posted on 10/30/2003 12:34:27 PM PST by texasbluebell
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To: sweetliberty
If this isn't 'activism', I don't know what is...doesn't the Admin. realize that the Fla. Legislature was, in part, influenced by our letters, phone calls and on-site members? In fact, some of our more fluent writers were, without doubt, responsible for getting the attention of the big voices?

They need to put this back ASAP! This is what Free Republic is all about!
71 posted on 10/30/2003 12:35:24 PM PST by kodani69
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To: FL_engineer; Admin Moderator
It appears that it has been restored to "activism" in the sidebar.

Thanks.

72 posted on 10/30/2003 12:42:38 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Saundra Duffy
It's looking better and better for Terri.
Thank you God
73 posted on 10/30/2003 12:47:08 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: All
If you wish to contact the ACLJ and offer your thanks, CLICK HERE.
74 posted on 10/30/2003 12:50:44 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: sweetliberty; All
Here is the link to the ACLJ announcment.
75 posted on 10/30/2003 12:55:44 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
See my #62 - Can you help??
76 posted on 10/30/2003 12:59:51 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Saundra Duffy
I hear ya Saundra, and I agree. But I wonder, just today Sean has been speaking of his astounding interview last night with Zell Miller-D, Senator. Zell is going to be voting for GW next election cycle and he explained why. I was tearing up-not because of what he was saying, but because of the conviction and the total, in your face sincerity this good man was pouring out with every word.

Point being-NONE of the national media outlets are reporting on this---in any depth whatsoever. They are, a few, simply stating, in brief as possible terms, that Miller endorses Bush, according to Carl Limberg of NewsMax in note to Sean. My guess...the few media outlets that mentioned this marvelous news (to republicans, anyway) are bothering to mention Zell is a democrat.

This leads me to the volunteer media person for the Schindler's, who is probably trying like mad to get her press releases picked up, but donchaknow that HER COMMENTS go against the liberal agenda infanticide and eldercide and imperfectcide (my words).

Like Roger Ailes, head of Fox News Cable, said in an interview posted yesterday here , the bias of the liberal media is demonstrated in what they EXCLUDE, ELIMINATE, as it were.

We are fighting a battle on two fronts, the battle to return Terri to her family, and the battle to inform America under the heavy hand of a national media that represses conservative news.

Saundra-you are an excellent writer...on Terri'sfight.org-the Schindler's major webpage, you can locate the media volunteers address...wonder if she could use your help? I'm always ranting and blathering and taking hundred lines to say one lines worth of stuff...but I would help, too. Whatdayathink?

Or do you know any person adept at media contacts etc who could help her out? We could help in this area.

I know we helped encourage Larry King to do the right thing...I am convinced, now, that larry has a heart. LOL

We need to keep writing to him and offering suggestions and background info on this case, the more he knows, the better the interview he will have with the Schindlers!!!

Larry.King.Live3@turner.com

77 posted on 10/30/2003 1:04:49 PM PST by Republic
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To: sweetliberty
Could you please direct me to the synopsis of the hardball show? I would love to read about it! (Especially if it, perhaps, turned Chris Matthews around.) Thanks!xxoo
78 posted on 10/30/2003 1:08:27 PM PST by Republic
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To: lady lawyer
The bone scans were done in March 1991, the trial was finished by Nov. 1992. I don't know what the time frame for the trial was. It's does look like the bone scan would have been looked at by then, but Terri's parents seem to have not seen it before. Possibly Michael was still having her medical records sealed. I think you're bringing up some good points that need to be looked into. I'll keep looking for more info. Also, one of the things that was hypothesized about the bone scan was something about a bone disease, which I think would be easy enough to rule out.
79 posted on 10/30/2003 1:10:38 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: ZAKJAN
Praying for their safety and well being!
80 posted on 10/30/2003 1:12:01 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Budge
ACLJ phone number is (757) 226-2489

I just called and pledged my support. The nice young man who answered the phone told me a motion had been filed today.

Please call them & let them know you are behind them in their fight to save Terri.

They have an Army behind them, but sometimes it helps to know this.
If the lines are busy, keep trying.
81 posted on 10/30/2003 1:13:51 PM PST by kodani69
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To: Republic
See post #70. I suppose there is probably a transcript somewhere....maybe the MSNBC website. Who are some of our trancsript finders here? Yeah, I know I could look it up, but I'm being lazy. (Well, not really lazy, it's just that I am still trying to catch up on that LONG Larry King Live thread.)
82 posted on 10/30/2003 1:15:48 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: kodani69; Budge
Thanks for the phone number-I searched their website and could only find an address, snail mail address, and fax number. Could not find an email address.

I am going to call and thank them...again, thank you so much for the info.

83 posted on 10/30/2003 1:16:42 PM PST by Republic
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To: sweetliberty
LOL-thanks! I was so pleased to hear of this happening on MSNBC. I'll search for a transcript-really want to read this.
84 posted on 10/30/2003 1:18:52 PM PST by Republic
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To: Ohioan from Florida
He couldn't have had her records "sealed" from discovery by the defendants.
85 posted on 10/30/2003 1:19:03 PM PST by lady lawyer
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To: Ohioan from Florida
The big question in all of this--aside from the horrendous talk of bone damage perhaps resulting from a beating-is WHY did Michael seal her medical records and prevent her family from reveiwing them?

Why? What was his point?

Smells badly? No?

86 posted on 10/30/2003 1:20:46 PM PST by Republic
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To: lady lawyer
re: If, as people are now saying, there was evidence of physical battering, the defendants' experts should have picked that up without any hints from the Schindlers. The story now just doesn't makes sense.)))

Yup. How I'd like an summary of the original medmal trial. And, there was no settlement, but a full jury trial.

87 posted on 10/30/2003 1:22:54 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: lady lawyer
Then the question would be, who reviewed them on the family's side? Did these professionals note their findings in court? And did the court consider their opinion, ruling in favor of Felos's doctors? I understand the affidavits of three nurses who tended to Terri and spoke to Michael's abusive behavior, both to terri and to staffers in both the nursing home and hospice, were discarded. How can this be? Is it possible to find out why their damning testimony was shuffled aside?
88 posted on 10/30/2003 1:23:59 PM PST by Republic
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To: Mamzelle
Dr Baden, one of the foremost criminal forensic pathologists in our nation, upon examing some of terri's medical scans (bone, x-ray), says there is a strong indication that something traumatic happened, and mentioned beating as one theory. This happened last week on the Greta Van susteranshow, On The Record, on Fox News.

ontherecord@foxnews.com.

89 posted on 10/30/2003 1:26:56 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Well, I've also been told that Baden loves the limelight. It is an outrageous thing for him to say unless there's documentation to back him up, no matter how OJ he is.

You know who could really have interesting things to say? Dr. Igel, the doc who had the judgement against him. From what I can read and figure out, he and his defense team went for a trial. He could probably have copped a settlement.

The PI lawyer was a guy named Woodworth, who sold the jury on the idea that there'd need to be a lot of money to pay for Terri's rehab. Wonder what his contingency fee worked out to be?

90 posted on 10/30/2003 1:32:04 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Ohioan from Florida
If it's a bone disease that caused all that damage in the 1991 bone scan, there should be plenty more damage 12 years later, easily confirmed by a recent scan.
91 posted on 10/30/2003 1:33:07 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: Mamzelle
Don't know how much documented info Baden had, do know he was faxed information after his appearance on Thurs eve with Greta where he cast a dubious prognosis for Terri and seemed to back Shiavo and his attn along with the other panel members.

Greta had him on the next night, Friday, and it was evident that Dr Baden had changed his mind about terri's situation, syaing he had received and reviewed medical scans relating to terri (and I am sure the additional opinions reflecting those scans) and pondering outloud if an investigation into foul play had occurred.

92 posted on 10/30/2003 1:37:11 PM PST by Republic
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To: Republic
Smells badly? No?

Yes, in fact it reeks to high heaven.

93 posted on 10/30/2003 1:37:17 PM PST by Budge ( <>< .)
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To: Republic
some stuff...

It is not clear what exactly caused Terri to collapse on February 25, 1990. What is clear is that the oxygen supply to her brain was cut off, leaving her permanently brain damaged. The most common theory is that, at the age of 26, Terri had a heart attack brought on by a low potassium level caused by an eating disorder. Another more recent theory suggests she may have suffered a serious neck injury. Terri’s husband, Michael Schiavo, a respiratory therapist and nurse, recounted that he had awakened at 5 a.m. and saw Terri collapse to the floor. Her heart had stopped beating, and her brain was without oxygen for about five minutes. [St. Petersburg Times, 1/30/00]

Almost three years later, a jury awarded Terri approximately $700,000 for her on-going medical care in a malpractice suit filed by Michael against her doctor. The case rested on the fact that her gynecologist neglected to diagnose her low potassium level even after having her blood tested. The same jury also awarded $300,000 to Michael for loss of companionship.

Ironically, during that trial Michael’s attorney, Glenn Woodworth, showed a video of Terri, and argued that, even though she was in a "vegetative state," "you can tell she has some sense of her predicament." He also pointed out to the jury that "[on the film] she knows her husband and looks into his eyes." [St. Petersburg Times, 11/12/92, 1/25/00]

Gee--$300,000 for "loss of companionship"....awwww

94 posted on 10/30/2003 1:38:20 PM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Budge
And we have proof of that, because our Father is on the case!

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95 posted on 10/30/2003 1:40:29 PM PST by Republic
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To: Mamzelle
I believe one doctor settled, another opted for jury trial. Perhaps the bone scan was not spotted, or its contents inconclusive, and no one in the Schindler family wanted to rock Michael's boat with talk of domestic violence. Besides, he was guardian and they were dependent on him for access to Terri, and possibly in denial as well. Who wants to think that he was violent and they missed the signals? When MS got his cash and denied Terri rehab, their eyes were opened.
IMO no way could she have damaged all those bones just by collapsing on her hall floor.
96 posted on 10/30/2003 1:41:06 PM PST by Graymatter
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To: lady lawyer
Maybe he didn't have them sealed away from the defendants, but possibly the Schindlers were not aware of their existence. Couldn't the Schindlers have testified on Michael's behalf but still have no idea what was in those records? It doesn't necessarily mean that they were aware or were lying. Sometimes people only tell you as much as they want you to know, and I would bet my life on it that Michael is one such person.
97 posted on 10/30/2003 1:43:50 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida
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To: Mamzelle
Gee--$300,000 for "loss of companionship"....awwww

Yeah.....but it helps to have money to buy a new house, an 80,000 dollar mercedeces, a 15,000 pool and provide for a child and new infant not to mention his mistress's many needs. Comfort money, don't cha know. And alas, the other 700,000 (the actual award was closer to 1.2 million-out of which came his loss of companionship money-poor baby), which was to be used to help terri live life full of therapy, cleanliness, good medical care, etc. , just ended up being spent to PAY FOR A LAWYER he needed to END HER LIFE.

Problem is....Terri, tho refused antibiotics, refused even basic motion therapy to keep her limbs from crumbling, refused TV, flowers, gifts, going outdoors, rides in wheelchair around nursing home or hospice and often DENIED access to the people who truly LOVED HER, her parents when MS decided to punish them for speaking out, whatever-(JUST IMAGINE THE HORROR MS has inflicted!) has managed to LIVE.

She must want to live- very, very badly!

98 posted on 10/30/2003 1:47:35 PM PST by Republic
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To: Ohioan from Florida; lady lawyer
Medmal defense lawyers are pretty knowledgeable and aggressive. It's really hard to imagine they didn't go over every record with a fine toothed comb for another possible cause for the collapse. I don't understand it either.
99 posted on 10/30/2003 1:52:21 PM PST by Lynne (Another lady lawyer)
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To: Graymatter
I thought there was only one doctor involved.
100 posted on 10/30/2003 1:52:34 PM PST by Mamzelle
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