I'm on over there too :)...it's so easy to bait them and they know we are there so it makes them even more paranoid.
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!
Just stay home, ok? Everyone here knows what is going on over at DUh.......
Let's see how long this is:
Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:01 AM
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I Hope the Bloodshed Continues in Iraq
Well, that should bring the bats out of the attic with fangs dripping. I won't be hypocritcal. It is politically correct, particularly in any Dem discussion to hope and pray and feel for our troops and scream "bring them back now". I'm fighting something bigger.
I'm a 58 year old broad and I can tell you that what is going on in our country isn't the usual ebb and flow of politics where one party is in power and then another; where the economy goes through ups and downs.......yawn, yawn--just wait a bit and things will turn out peachy keen. That stupid la-la land is over.
I realize that not every GI Joe was 100peeercent behind Prseeedent Booosh going into this war; but I do know that that is what an overwhelming number of them and their famlies screamed in the face of protesters who were trying to protect these kids. Well, there is more than one way to be "dead" for your country. They are not only not accompishing squat in Iraq, they are doing crap nothing for the safety, defense of the US of A over there directly. But "indirectly" they are doing a lot.
The only way to get rid of this slime bag WASP-Mafia, oil barron ridden cartel of a government, this assault on Americans and anything one could laughingly call "a democracy", relies heavily on what a shit hole Iraq turns into. They need to die so that we can be free. Soldiers usually did that directly--i.e., fight those invading and harming a country. This time they need to die in defense of a lie from a lying adminstration to show these ignorant, dumb Americans that Bush is incompetent. They need to die so that Americans get rid of this deadly scum. It is obscene, Barbie Bush, how other sons (of much nobler blood) have to die to save us from your Rosemary's Baby spawn and his ungodly cohorts.
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Beetwasher (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:08 AM
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1. Flame Retardent Suit Fitting Snugly
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:24 AM by Beetwasher
I'll venture into this only to say purely on a philosophical level I see your point. What's happening in Iraq can be seen as the physical manifestation of the cold civil war that's happening in the states. Those soldiers lives will not have been in vain if their deaths wake the masses up to the tyranny that they are now subjects of. Not saying I agree w/ the sentiment, however, I comprehend the argument.
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:34 AM
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29. Why is Starpass trying to discredit the Democratic party?
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:48 AM by WhoCountsTheVotes
I assume that this thread will be broadcast on whatever right-wing show has taken Rush Limbaugh's spot. Wishing death on US soldiers and Iraqis? You're sure as hell not on my side.
I support our troops, I want them to win, and I want them back home in time to see Bush imprisoned.
ABB
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bearfartinthewoods (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:39 AM
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35. very good question eom
my spelling was much better before my stroke. if it bothers you, just think how i must feel about it.
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:41 AM
Response to Reply #29
42. You want them to what? "Win"? What would that be?
They already deposed Saddam, no? That was the only legitimate "Target" in Iraq, less of course Occupation was a long term goal and we'd never admit that, roadside bombs and SAMs will not be detered by b-52 Carpetbombings or Cruise Missile attacks.
They won already, get them OUT.
In the desert I saw a creature, naked, bestial, Who, squatting on the ground, Held his heart in his hands, And ate of it. I said, "Is it good, friend?" "It is bitter - bitter," he answered, "But I like it Because it is bitter, And because it is my heart."- Stephen Crane
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WhoCountsTheVotes (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:49 AM
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51. I agree with Dennis Kucinich on this one
Get the UN in and the US out.
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Marianne (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:50 AM
Response to Reply #29
52. It is clear y ou want them to win
but it is not clear exactly what they are winning.
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 01:05 AM
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63. interesting
"I support our troops, I want them to win, and I want them
back home in time to see Bush imprisoned."
Leaving aside the other very interesting question (what's this "winning" all about, in Iraq ...?), let me just ask, on the "Bush imprisoned" bit of it ...
And exactly how likely is this to happen?
In starpass, I see someone who has absolutely no control whatsoever over what happens in Iraq, how many USAmericans die (I'm sure someone somewhere sometime spares a thought for all the Iraqis dying ...), or anything else that goes on there, suggesting that the only way that it is likely that Bush will "pay for" what he is done is if it causes enough harm to enough USAmericans that they revolt in the next election.
That's sad, but unfortunately probably true. It seems to be the speaking of it that causes such distress.
And then I see you, who also has zero control over what happens, in this case what happens to Bush, suggesting that the outcome of a "win" in Iraq is that Bush will be imprisoned.
Fact? Remotely possible eventuality? Abject nonsense, says I. A president attacks a foreign country, "wins" the war he started, and gets imprisoned??
I think someone was saying something about la-la land.
Me, what I'd like to see is a crisis of conscience on the part of the USAmerican people that causes them to wake up and say "we are doing evil to others", and then quickly get rid of the people who are doing it on their behalf and start doing some good for a change. Hey, we all have our own private la-la lands.
In the meantime, I have no control over what goes on in Iraq, so whether I lament or applaude the deaths of USAmericans is of really very little consequence.
I actually tend to take a slightly more nuanced view of the whole thing, if anyone cares. Since I doubt that the motivations of many of the people doing the killing of the USAmerican troops are anything that I'd support -- things like peace and democracy and justice, those being things that I happen to care about a little more than I care about, say, the fortunes of the US Democratic Party -- and since I do have a degree of sympathy for the exploited USAmericans doing their masters' bidding over there, I don't see much for me to be choosing between, and either mourning or applauding.
I see the US doing exactly what I expected it to do when I was out on the streets in the freezing rain and mud and wind and snow protesting its plans and ultimately its actions last winter. And so far, I'm seeing pretty much exactly the consequences I expected to see. And in any event, if anybody's responsible for any of it, it sure as hell ain't me to any significant extent.
I see the working classes, as usual, being proxied out for profits, and oppressing some other working class types, who are themselves likely going to be victimized once again by either their own indigenous oppressors or the invading one, for the foreseeable future.
And on the USAmerican side, at least, I see the usual dearth of serious discussion about anybody's responsibility for anything -- like the responsibility that those working class kids and their families and supporters might just have for what they are doing in Iraq ... and a whole lot of fucking stupid baseless pointless blame being lobbed around at people like starpass who really aren't responsible for much of anything. It's the Amurrican Way, right?
Oh, Oh, Oh What A Lovely War!
... International slaughter is, after all, the most civilized of games.
and unless and until some of you start refusing to play by THEIR stupid rotten rules ("support the troops!" just for starters), it will just go on and on.
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:08 AM
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2. Yep you are getting the first vampire with fangs beared out
First misconception
The military is behind this war... NOT TRUE, why do you think they
were leaking like sieves the summer before, to the point that
Rummy even threatened a court martial or two if that continued?
Second misconception
The military has a say where they are ordered to go.
NO they do not have a say, they are ordered and they stand in front
of that Consititution, not behind it, like you do.
Third misconception
Continued deaths will bring this to an end
Nope continued deaths will bring the draft
Now here is what you should try to do, impossible from what you wrote... try to see those troopers as part of that working class
that is RIGHT NOW under abuse.
Oh and by the way, posts like this one is exactly the kind of tools
that the Coulter's of the world need to make their case that the Left hates their country... congrats.
Oh and before you ask, I am a Navy Wife and you are as despicable as that WA Congressman who is a rightie and also thoguht that the troops were disposable assets.
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:14 AM
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6. Now back up baby and take a breath
I said in the post that not all these GI's and their families bought into this...but (given we have a 3 star in the family and assorted GI's) you know as well as I do that an overwhelming number of them and their familes were in the "fuck you assholes for doubting our president ranks). And you say that it won't turn opinion BUT bring on the draft---EXACTLY---and when you say to these fuck head yuppies and their spawn that we might draft your little bastard, watch the turn in the US of A-----this is where the Dems have to insist that any draft excludes NO ONE. It's the only way home, baby. You can die defending the guy coming to kill your family; or you can die so that this fuck bastard adminstration runs out of patience with the American people. If it's all shoved under the carpet, your GI Joe will live to fight and DIE another day in another country they want to invade.
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:13 AM
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5. No one in this country has been in their right mind since 9/11 and that is
something deliberate done by the fascists in charge.
GI's dying isn't going to stop this war. It will bring
on the draft, as previously mentioned. I have three
nephews who will get called up. They are not behind
Bush or this war, nor are they willing to kill for oil.
Generalizations are dangerous. They remove humanity
from the equation. This war going on killing isn't
going to do a thing for ending it. It will only break
hearts right and left.
I hate Bush too but your premise is wrong. GI's dying
isn't going to turn Bush and his fascinistas around.
And the boys and girls over there? I doubt in large
measure that they believe in him and his government.
I doubt it before the war and I doubt it now.
My babies aren't expendable. No one elses is either.
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:19 AM
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8. Your babies are going to die one way or the other by this
government. If tomorrow he brought them all home, he would just deploy them for corporate American the next day. Notice how the American people are turning against this war. Notice how they are turning against him. If we are going to save this nation and this world and any more kids used or decades in this unholy corporate war, then the boys and girls dying now are our only defense. They get by with this, your precious kids and their kids are fucked in a zillion ways....and this country is gone. Soldiers are told to happily die for their country. They are dying for squat nothing shit over there right now while Bush tells us they are. However, they are dying for something because the American people are getting fed up with this lying Mafia.
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Magic Rat (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:21 AM
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14. I remember a line from Lord of the Rings
Frodo, some who die deserve life, and some who live deserve death. Are YOU able to choose for them?
"Good people do not need laws to tell them to act responsibly, while bad people will find a way around the laws." - Plato
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sgr2 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:16 AM
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7. You need help, and this should be locked
This is the most pathetic thread I have ever seen, hoping for death and mayhem. I hope you end up knowing someone who is ordered to go to Iraq. Maybe then you'll rethink your flawed logic.
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ronzoNOLA (910 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:20 AM
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10. Yup.
Sorry, can't get on board with mayhem.
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Blitz (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:23 AM
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16. Lock it?
I hope not. I really prefer that things like this see the light of day rather than be permitted to fester unaddressed. There are many who believe that this hatefulness is the true face and voice of the "loyal opposition."
I hope that this thread remains open so that question can be settled, or at least addressed.
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sgr2 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:35 AM
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30. EDIT: You are right, there needs to be people saying "You're very wrong."
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:45 AM by sgr2
But still, it's clearly a lockable post on this site. And another thing, this is like the 3rd thread on this subject by Starpass. A few days ago he was saying he hated to say it, but American soldiers have no right to be safe.
Now he's saying he hopes for their deaths. I do not believe he is from the left.
EDIT: I went back and looked.... Starpass wasn't in the other thread, so I made a mistake on that. Also, Starpass is a female. So I missed that too. But I still consider her post to be reprehensible.
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charlie (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:40 AM
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37. Starpass is a she
and she wasn't in that "no right to be safe" thread. You need to update your list of evildoers.
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:41 AM
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43. sgr---excuse me--I haven't been around posting much
and I certainly didn't say what you said. That is a total crock of shit, baby. Nice try....go peddle your candidate--can't remember who it is but know you attack anyone who isn't for your candidate. And I am a BROAD---stop calling me a male.
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kerrysissues (145 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:55 AM
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61. This thread should be deleted.
It is simply unconscionable to wish for the bloodshed to continue. Americans or Iraqis. Period.... Shameful post
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:21 AM
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11. "You are a sick bastard and beneath contempt."
as opposed to your sunny contribution, free of personal insults.
BURN THE WITCH!
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Wellong (149 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:28 AM
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22. Personal insults
Anytime someone here or elsewhere calls for the killing of American troops I will personally insult them. I was actually pretty restrained in my post. There was far more I could have said.
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:29 AM
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23. By all means, go ahead
I don't recall an exception to the rule, but I guess you're allowed to make them.
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Blitz (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:40 AM
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39. Starpass is not likely to be banned for this
Since it represents a significant and extremely vocal part of the modern Left and, by extension, of DU. Notice that even this post has received some tepid support and the most vocal members of that particular fringe haven't even weighed in yet. No, this is something that the Left (I say Left because this goes well beyond the Democratic Party) will have to deal with or fall victim to:
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:42 AM
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44. might as well post 60s protest pics w/ those fake hippie types
Lee press-on sideburns!
Judging by the mask, I'm guessing that's one of those chic anarchist types. What that has to do with the left wing of the Democratic Party, I dunno.
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Wellong (149 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:46 AM
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47. And we wonder
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:46 AM by Wellong
why some republicans say democrats and/or leftists are unpatriotic, hae America, etc...
Because they are handed the ammo to do so!
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kalian (673 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:21 AM
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12. I agree with what you say.
I understand your logic and I get where you are going.
You've stated it in the crudest fashion but its the necessary
way of stating things. Americans, aka the sheep, need to be slapped
awake...brought back to reality.
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:25 AM
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18. Do any of you have any problem
..if invading hordes were pouring across the border to kill, rape and burn Americans?? Oh, that would be defense, right?? Well, what the hell do you think is going on right here right now?? Four more years of Bush and your country is finished. Soldiers are dying but they are not dying for that lying slime pit called the Iraq War. They died not even knowing that their death MIGHT save this nation from what crawled into power in 2000. It's like fighting a virtual war...unfortunately they have to die so that this scum can't send any more to their deaths.
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AP (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:22 AM
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15. I bet $1000000 Andrew Sullivan links to this thread tomorrow!
Who'll take that bet?
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Darranar (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:24 AM
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17. You want more bloodshed?
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:26 AM by Darranar
More deaths? More killing? More slaughter? More blood spilled?
The lies are already coming out. Soldiers don't need to die for it.
http://www.kucinich.us/ "...they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, nor shall they learn war any more." Micha 4:3
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:30 AM
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24. What do you think would get through to this country??
They are beginning to turn on him. Right there these people did not die in vain. If he can sweep this under the carpet many more will die under his next four years and his brother's following eight years....and many more will wish they were dead. These GI's are fighting for the very survival of this nation....they just don't know it. They aren't fighting this idiotic terror crap. It's the total of their deaths that might make enough Americans vote these animals out......
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Wellong (149 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:32 AM
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25. Should we surrender
to the terrorists? Or should they be fought where ever they are found? Because you seem to have taken an apeasement position in support of terrorists with many of your statements. Not including Iraq.
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:34 AM
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28. so what does Iraq have to do with terrorism?
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Wellong (149 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:37 AM
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32. I was responding to this
They aren't fighting this idiotic terror crap.
I guess 9/11 and the many terrorist attacks against the United States previous to 9/11 should not have been responded too? Should we just appease the terrorists?
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:39 AM
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34. The topic was Iraq, yes? Stop confusing the issue with 9/11
such a sad little RW tactic, that one.
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:50 AM
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54. so you're denying that the RW used 9/11 as an excuse to smack Iraq?
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:53 AM by thebigidea
And I'll have you know that I have the intelligence of a 4 year old at the very least.
This cute tactic of yours doesn't highlight your intelligence very well, though.
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:52 AM
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56. Actually it is oh brilliant one. You equate Iraq with 9/11, the Cole...
...and probably the first WTC bombings, no?
They are independant from IRAQ DAMMIT!
THINK for once...sheesh.
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mlawson (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:41 AM
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41. Vietnam's 25,000 dead didn't do it.
That is, 25,000 dead during Nixon's first term. He was threatened with impeachment and finally resigned because of Watergate, but not Vietnam.
Ronnie lost way over 200 GIs in Beirut, then went right ahead and invaded Granada. He won 49 states the next year.
I do not know what it would take to get through to the 20% apolitical voter-sheep. I suspect that another 9/11 would get their attention (NOT THAT I HOPE ONE WILL HAPPEN!!!!), but we could also get us martial law. bush might be blamed for letting it happen, or he might get the credit 'for leading us through it'. Who knows??
Again, if the majority of the 20% in the center still LIKE bush next year, he will win.
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Junkdrawer (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:25 AM
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19. The Cassandra Syndrome....
When you clearly see that we're heading for disaster,
when you've screamed your heart out trying to prevent the disaster,
when no one seems to listen and the country blunders forward into said disaster
it's only human to derive a certain grim satisfaction.
But it's still not becoming.
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:27 AM
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20. American deaths did not stop Nixon winning in 1972
n/t
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KFC (385 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:28 AM
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21. Just a naive way to get attention.
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:30 AM by KFC
And just what the freepers want to hear from the left. Nice try.
I guess it worked. I responded.
Actually this should be in the lounge as it is a vanity post.
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nostamj (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:33 AM
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27. if things are *PERCEIVED* as going "WELL"
Edited on Wed Nov-05-03 12:34 AM by nostamj
in Iraq, we will have endless BUSHCO. they've gone way to far already. four more years might make it irreversible.
and America is OVER. the FASCISM is already here.
it is already HERE.
i don't need to 'hope' that the bloodshed will continue.
i know it will.
it cannot be stopped, it will not be stopped
until BUSHCO is stopped.
the bloodshed weakens them, the bloodshed WILL continue as long as BUSHCO prevails.
we can't save the troops while they are 'led' by a corporate whore whose only, ONLY interest is corporate profit not American lives lost and destroyed by injury.
on edit: I before E, except after C...
DISSENT IS ESSENTIALOOOOO questionWOOOOOCARTOONS! The "Bubble Boy" Edition
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:38 AM
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33. nosta--congrats, you are the only one that "gets" it...the others
are the usual knee jerk reaction. Sometimes blood is needed BUT these people let the scum dictate the blood. The blood IS BEING SHED YOU MORONS...but hopefully it's purpose will be to get rid the the fucks who are causing it. If it stops now, they will be able to continue and to continue to kill your kin and the kin of people around the world. If this death toll mounts for America, we may be able to stop these slime before tens of thousand of more die and before this nation collapses. Grow up and wake up. If they make everything look okay and Mission Accomplished, get ready for some real shit and bloodshed.
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nostamj (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:45 AM
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thanks starpass
seemed pretty clear to me, and YES, I expected the flames.
the bloodshed is a FACT. as long as BUSHCO hold power, the innocent will DIE and American treasure will perish needlessly.
if bushco makes it "work" (which is what they are all about)
we truly WILL see perpetual war for perpetual profit.
if we allow BUSHCO to cast these deaths as 'sacrifices for freedom' and not the utter waste in an illegal conflict propagated by LIES,
then we get perpetual war for perpetual profit.
anyone who thinks this is a "I WANT SOLDIERS TO DIE" thread needs to take a reading comprehension test.
it is a COMPLEX situation.
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thebigidea (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:47 AM
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48. but its so much easier to suck on a flag and holler bloody murder, nostamj
why bother with nuances and stuff?
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nostamj (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:54 AM
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59. yeah, 'thinking about it'
what was I thinking?
start: republican_kazoo_chorus\archive\nat_anthem.mp3
and we accuse W about the black and white thing....
screw it, enjoy the new TOONS.
link in the sig.
(the smoke alarm went off)
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:37 AM
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31. I think this is the idea behind the cover ban on US casualties
I think that there are people in Washington who have a concern that casualties will erode support for the Crusade, and oblige them to divert resources on suppressing domestic dissent that could be used to seize resources abroad.
In my opinion, their fears are unfounded. While of course the families of the troops who die grieve, and some have even expressed opposition to the regime, you have to remember that most of the ones they put in harm's way are poor people, ethnic minorities who are considered undesirable by the voting class, and suitable as cannon fodder by regime loyalists.
I don't think you are going to get any "waking up" until there are F-16s firing missiles into white suburban cul-de-sacs, which we will not see probably for another year.
One man's conspiracy is another man's business plan
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Wellong (149 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:50 AM
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53. Cover ban
the cover ban predates Bush.
And f-16s will not be bombing cul-de-sacs in a year. Unless that cul-de-sac contains a stockpile of weapons and terrorists readying to use them.
Which is a real possibility.
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DuctapeFatwa (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:58 AM
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62. the bush regime's cover bans are more extreme, and since "terrorist"
is defined in actual practice if not codified as such, as anyone who opposes or resists the regime, there are probably more terrorists in more cul de sacs than you suspect.
Remember the US is now a country where people can be and are, disappeared, US citizen or not, decreed to be an Enemy of the State by one man, the constitution has in practice, been suspended -
from a very tasteful toilet tissue holder in the West Wing of the White House.
bush decreed, "you are with us, or you are with the terrorists," astonishing millions who until that moment had thought "terrorist" was a BAD thing.
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RebelOne (458 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:39 AM
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36. Hey, I am a 64-year-old broad
and I understand what she is trying to say, though I don't agree 100%.
So don't come down on her so hard.
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joe_sixpack (137 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:40 AM
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38. being as I am
in the reserves and I know people who are in that mess over there - as well as the fact that there is a better than average chance that I may have to join them - you probably wouldn't be surprised to find that I disagree with your opinion. Since it looks like part of your intent was to ignite a strong reaction to your post, I think I'll just leave it there.
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absyntheNsugar (66 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:41 AM
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40. I disagree - but please don't lock this thread
Don't think this thread should be locked.
Hoping for bloodshed is a cruel wish - Please tell me you wouldn't say this to the families who have lost children in this battle? Or Iraqis who have lost loved ones due to a "firefight"?
Also that is quite the Leninist argument ("things must get worse before they get better.")
Bloodshed only leads to more bloodshed...it's a cyclical thing that could seriously spiral out of control. If that were to happen, none of us would be safe. That is not the future I want.
Ahhhhh Absynthe....Nectar of the Gods....
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hippywife (377 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:42 AM
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45. I don't care
if you DO have over 7000 posts. You are a disruptor of major proportions and deserve to be tombstoned from the board.
That is a terrible sentiment not worthy of any human toward any human.
We can no longer afford to confuse peaceability with passivity. Authentic peace is no more passive than war. Like war, it calls for discipline and intelligence and strength of character, though it calls also for higher principles and aims. If we are serious about peace, then we must work for it as ardently, seriously, continuously, carefully, and bravely as we now prepare for war.~ Wendell Berry
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:53 AM
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58. Everyone hurt or dead had someone who loved them.
Using their blood to get rid of Bush is wrong in my book.
Does that make me a bleeding heart? No. I think it makes
me a human being. I appreciate your frustration but I loathe
your tactics. Death is so damned permanent that I wouldn't
wish one child to grow up without a mom or dad to make a
point to the people. The ones who deserve our hatred are
the panty waist bought and paid for press. They have committed
treason by their lies and their acts of silence. They deserve
the anger, not the troops who are caught in the middle of
everything.
Hate the media if you have to hate someone. Who else is
going to get the tale out?
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Name removed (0 posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:45 AM
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Starpass (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:51 AM
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55. Nlight--the deaths are getting attention from our citizens
..that's why "agree with Iraq War" went from mid 70% to 47%. And honey it isn't because the citizens are thinking. They are reacting to the deaths. If the deaths stopped now, they would give Bush 4 more years to kill more Americans and more "other peoples" in more wars in more places...and bankrupt this fucking stupid nation to boot. READ YOU ASSES---I SAID THESE PEOPLE ARE DYING FOR SOMETHING--IT'S JUST NOT THE NOBLE CAUSE THEY THINK THEY ARE DYING FOR. THEY ARE NOT SAVING THAT SHIT HOLE, IRAQ. BUT THEY MIGHT JUST SAVE THE US OF A. But then again, you people, don't read...do you?
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Lars39 (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:48 AM
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50. Comes back down to free press. Proper coverage/amplification
of the deaths and maimings would have the troops home in a nanosecond.
When there's press blackouts and skewing/manipulation of the coverage, we stand a very good chance of being mired in *Pinky and the Brain's* world domination plan forever.
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:52 AM
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57. With a cousin over there in Baghdad I sincerely hope not
I don't want to be going to a family funeral.
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MrsGrumpy (1000+ posts) Wed Nov-05-03 12:54 AM
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60. I am locking this thread...
2. The subject line of a discussion thread and the entire text of the message which starts the thread may not include profanity, excessive capitalization, or excessive punctuation. Inflammatory rhetoric should also be avoided.
This thread is inflammatory
Thanks,
MrsGrumpy
DU Moderator
So, for example, how am I counted if I start an IE session on FR, and read 20 threads, wite 10 replies (each opens a new window twice!) all without closing the original "page?"
Is this one hit? Or 20 "New" pages, or 41 total pages (20 pages + 10 (replies)*2 +1 original)?
Whew. These folks have NO conscience. They are VERY sick.
Occasionally we may forget the face of evil that lurks behind the 'progressive' mask. And every now and then we get a reminder. These poeple are monsters - morally, ethically, philosophically - any way you'd care to name.
Waht they want, what they've striven for since the mid 1800s is a concentration camp culture in which they are the gatekeepers. Most of them are cowards - morally, physically, ethically - completely unwilling to engage in an honest battle. They're depending upon others to do their work of mass murder and slaughter. All in the name of the almighty common good, of course.
What they're NOT prepared for, what they cannot reckon is the ferocity and ruthlessless of the response that will come from folks like me and my family. We're fighting for all there is - our lives, our liberty and our families.
What are THEY willing to fight for?