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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 14-18
Various | November 14, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/14/2003 2:06:57 AM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 8 - November 14-18)

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Link back to thread 7 (Nov. 11-14)

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Contained in Thread 7:

Radio interview with one of Michael's ex-girlfriends, transcript from CBS News Sunday Morning - Sunday 11-09-03 (Martha Teischner reports over a series of pre-recorded video clips in this news magazine's lead story...), possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician), information on Judge Greer not being a judge, Tiger Bay Club Schiavo Debate Info, Michael Schiavo charged with perjured testimony, Michael Schiavo is this month's "black boot" award winner from conspiracyworld.com, Schiavo case timeline and 2 informative letters to Gov. Bush.

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Ckick on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

ATTENTION friends of Terri! I have been asked by the folks in Florida to post the following message:

PLEASE HONOR THIS REQUEST FROM TAMPA BAY, FLORIDA: DO NOT PUT NAME AND TOWN or other personal info of TERRI VOLUNTEERS in public posts on the Terri threads. If in doubt, DELETE THEIR NAME OUT!!! Please do not post personal addresses and phone #s, towns re: Terri's volunteers and her family. PLEASE SEND PEOPLE TO terrisfight.org for the Foundation Address. Thanks.

Many thanks to all of you who are helping keep FReepers and others up to date with information and for all your efforts in making this thread work. All the research, transcripts, prayers and contact information are invaluable. Special thanks to Calpernia for the header graphic.

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Latest threads on Terri's Case:

Terri Schiavo, life insurance, and insurers duty to cancel if beneficiary is trying to kill insured

Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Oregon Bishop Speaks Out in the Case of Terri Schiavo

A thousand words about the Terri Schiavo you never knew

Florida governor, lawmakers defend 'Terri's Law'

Schiavo's case is really about religious right

Roy Moore:Media 'will not print the truth' (While this article isn't only about Terri, Judge Moore does address the issue in this interview)

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)



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To: pc93
Excellent, now send it to bernie and demand a grand jury investigation.
He can run, but he cannot hide.
berniemccabe@fdle.state.fl.us
741 posted on 11/16/2003 7:13:13 PM PST by KDubRN
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To: KDubRN
Terri Schindler Schiavo is being denied necessary rehabilitation (in particular but not limited to range of motion therapy which has been denied her for approximately 10 years) because Michael Schiavo has knowingly acted to refuse same.

"The right to receive necessary services and rehabilitation is a retained right. Section 744.3215(1)(i), Florida Statutes (2003).

What are they doing or going to do about this? Michael Schiavo is breaking the law.

Terri is being denied the right to be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time
in contravention to:

Section 744.3215(1)(c), Florida Statutes (2003).
744.3215

and has been for approximately 10 years because Michael Schiavo has knowingly acted to prevent same.

What are they doing or going to do about this? Michael Schiavo is breaking the law.

Terri is currently being neglected and has been for the past 10 years. Michael Schiavo as guardian of Terri has been the cause of this neglect. Michael Schiavo is breaking the law and is guilty of committing felonies under:

Section 825.102 (3)(a) under the meanings of said Section 825.102 (3)(a) Items 2b and/or 2c.

Again, ask them what are they doing or are going to do about this?

Call the following people and tell them that you want some answers:

Executive Office of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask
to speak to the following individuals):

Robert H. Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to
Governor) -> fernanr@eog.state.fl.us

Raquel A. Rodriguez (General Counsel to Governor)
-> raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com

Christa Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to
Governor) -> calamac@eog.state.fl.us

850 / 488-3494 (voice)
850 / 488-9810 (fax)

Jeb Bush, Governor
-> jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com

850 / 488-4441 (voice)
850 / 488-7146 (voice)
850 / 487-0801 (fax)

Executive Office of the Governor
400 S. Monroe Street
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Ask to speak to Lauren O'Conner

State Attorney Bernie McCabe
berniemccabe@fdle.state.fl.us
Voice: 727-464-6221
Fax: 727-464-6534

Attorney General Charlie Crist
ag@oag.state.fl.us
Voice: 850-414-3990
Fax: 850-487-2564

REF:

Florida Statutes (2003)

744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--
(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:
(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.
(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.
(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.
(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.
(e) To have a qualified guardian.
(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.
(g) To be properly educated.
(h) To receive prudent financial management for his or her property and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or she has lost the right to manage property.
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.
(j) To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.
(k) To have access to the courts.
(l) To counsel.
(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.
(n) To notice of all proceedings related to determination of capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.
(o) To privacy.


History.--s. 34, ch. 89-96; s. 19, ch. 90-271; s. 36, ch. 93-39; s. 13, ch. 94-183; s. 44, ch. 96-169; s. 6, ch. 96-354; s. 1782, ch. 97-102.

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825.102 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.--
(1) "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:
(a) Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon an elderly person or disabled adult;
(b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult; or
(c) Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(2) "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs when a person:
(a) Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled adult;
(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult; or
(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who commits aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3)(a) "Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:
1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly person or disabled adult; or
2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or psychological injury, or a substantial risk of death, to an elderly person or disabled adult.
(b) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(c) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
History.--s. 3, ch. 95-158; s. 2, ch. 96-322.
742 posted on 11/16/2003 7:17:34 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: KDubRN
I got my email to McCabe through Sunday night. I first sent it Saturday, and it was returned.

I am not optimistic with McCabe as he is said to be "very close" to one George W. Greer.
743 posted on 11/16/2003 7:18:02 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Theodore R.
Theodore please try to be more optimistic when taking actions. Also please do not try to predict negative outcomes. I have been skipping over your posts because you do this quite often and I do not believe in fleshing negative outcomes. Regards and thanks. Please continue to take actions! Your help is appreciated.
744 posted on 11/16/2003 7:21:02 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: pc93
I am sorry that I am pessimistic: it's that the FL judiciary is so thoroughly corrupt that I am afraid that the "sunshine law" that Governor Bob Graham pushed in the late 1970s will not be sufficient to open these judges to the light of scrutiny. They seem to be covering up wrongdoing for one another. They are unafraid of confronting the governor, the legislature, or public opinion. It looks to be that this Baird is as bad or worse than George W. Greer.
745 posted on 11/16/2003 7:27:11 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: KDubRN
Thanks RN, I'm on it...btw is MS a LPN, or RN ?(does anybody know ?)

oh by the way, I am trying to inform others on other forum sites, for example in GOPUSA.com is just one of 4..

I am pushing the Allegations of Abuse, and Strangulation
of victim in a domestic violence setting,etc....

I welcome any help, if possible ???



http://www.gopusa.com/cgi-bin/ib3/ikonboard.pl?s=1afa6ba5dd6a775c9fc7f38aae5fbe32;act=ST;f=11;t=7155


I will TRY my best in shining the light on the night prior,during,just after Terri collapse....

I am Vet/father ;)
746 posted on 11/16/2003 7:42:09 PM PST by Orlando (Terri is a possible Strangulation victim of Feb 25th, 1990.)
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To: KDubRN
Please add the following for contacting:

FDLE and FBI, Department of Justice, Office of Inspector General, Head of DCF
747 posted on 11/16/2003 7:45:54 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: supercat
For some reason, I had a severe enough potassium deficiency to greatly alarm my doctors (I was clueless about their concerns regarding what that defiency can cause).

The deficiency was detected while I was hospitalized for a completely unrelated problem, and was then given potassium via an i.v., which was repeated at least several times....I recall the doctor gave orders to keep having my postassium levels rechecked (I think every few hours). I don't know what caused my levels to drop. (I was not bolemic or anorexic--I did undereat, however, due to stress--I was probably about 5 to 10 lbs. under my ideal weight at the time.) In any event, the doctor couldn't figure out what caused this. As far as I know, I had no heart problems---I'm sure he would have told me.

748 posted on 11/16/2003 7:47:53 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: KDubRN
I agree with your assessment of daylate---he has also been combative with me and a few others in the same way as he was with you.
749 posted on 11/16/2003 7:54:39 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: supercat
Are you thinking that Michael R. Schiavo was on this forum Saturday?

I would be surprised if he has even heard of Free Republic. Most people have never heard of the forum.

He may be "making his list and checking it twice" to find new people to sue!
750 posted on 11/16/2003 7:59:58 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: Orlando
Schiavo is an R.N., I believe.
751 posted on 11/16/2003 8:00:44 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty
Friday night we went to a dance. A woman at the table with us, when referring to Terri, said, "Oh, she's brain dead." I tried to correct her misconception but she insisted that "she's brain dead" and she started to get irritated so I just dropped it. Some people just will not keep an open mind and there's no way to get through their thick skulls. This woman is also pro abortion.
752 posted on 11/16/2003 8:10:22 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Orlando
Thanks for everything you're doing for Terri.
753 posted on 11/16/2003 8:11:46 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: KDubRN
> And yes K is depleted when one is bolused with fluids over a short period of time.

Could you elaborate on that in layman's English?

Is there anything, um, "medical" or "Claus von Bulow-like" that Michael could have done to Terri that would have caused her to collapse in the way she did? And if so, could the ER have missed it?

754 posted on 11/16/2003 8:15:53 PM PST by T'wit
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To: Saundra Duffy
It is much easier for some people to process things by ignoring facts I guess. A lot of people, sadly, are really burdened by having to think things through, so they just make a presumption based on what someone somewhere has said, and dismiss it, especially if it is about something that makes them personally uncomfortable or makes them feel vulnerable. Some people spend their entire lives building a protective facade and they can be very selective about what penetrates it. Then they can claim ignorance and avoid responsibility for the shape of society.
755 posted on 11/16/2003 8:19:42 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
Does Troll B Gone actually work? If so, I'd like to get me some. I have a few trolls I'd like to exterminate.
756 posted on 11/16/2003 8:25:21 PM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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To: Saundra Duffy
"Does Troll B Gone actually work?"

Hehehe....well, I haven't seen "daylate" back since then.

757 posted on 11/16/2003 8:46:24 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
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To: sweetliberty
That is so cool! Great artwork! I haven't been on in a couple of days.
758 posted on 11/16/2003 8:53:21 PM PST by atruelady
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To: sweetliberty
Revised:

Terri Schindler Schiavo is being denied necessary rehabilitation (in particular but not limited to range of motion therapy which has been denied her for approximately 10 years) because Michael Schiavo has knowingly acted to refuse same.

"The right to receive necessary services and rehabilitation is a retained right. Section 744.3215(1)(i), Florida Statutes (2003).

What are they doing or are going to do about this? Michael Schiavo is breaking the law.

Terri is being denied the right to be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time in contravention to:

Section 744.3215(1)(c), Florida Statutes (2003).

and has been for approximately 10 years because Michael Schiavo has knowingly acted to prevent same.

What are they doing or are going to do about this? Michael Schiavo is breaking the law.

Terri is currently being neglected and has been for the past 10 years. Michael Schiavo as guardian of Terri has been the cause of this neglect. Michael Schiavo is breaking the law and is guilty of committing felonies under:

Section 825.102 (3)(a) under the meanings of said Section 825.102 (3)(a) Items 2b and/or 2c. and therefore is a felony crime and punishable pursuant to statutes 775.082, 775.083, 775.084.

Again, ask them what they are doing or are going to do about this.

Call the following people and tell them that you want some answers:

Executive Office of Governor, Legal Team to Jeb (ask
to speak to the following individuals):

Robert H. Fernandez (Deputy General Counsel to
Governor) -> fernanr@eog.state.fl.us

Raquel A. Rodriguez (General Counsel to Governor)
-> raquel.rodriguez@myflorida.com

Christa Calamas (Assistant General Counsel to
Governor) -> calamac@eog.state.fl.us

850 / 488-3494 (voice)
850 / 488-9810 (fax)

Jeb Bush, Governor
-> jeb@myflorida.com,jeb.bush@myflorida.com

850 / 488-4441 (voice)
850 / 488-7146 (voice)
850 / 487-0801 (fax)

Executive Office of the Governor
400 S. Monroe Street
The Capitol
Tallahassee, Florida 32399-0001

Ask to speak to Lauren O'Conner

State Attorney Bernie McCabe
berniemccabe@fdle.state.fl.us
727 / 464-6221 (voice)
727 / 464-6534 (fax)

Attorney General Charlie Crist
ag@oag.state.fl.us
850 / 414-3990 (voice)
850 / 487-2564 (fax)

Florida Department of Law Enforcement
2331 Phillips Road
Tallahassee, FL 32308
850 / 410-7000 (voice)

Civil Rights & Civil Liberties Complaints
Office of the Inspector General
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Room 4322
Washington, D.C. 20530
inspector.general@usdoj.gov
hotline: 800 / 869-4499
hotline fax: 202 / 616-9898.

US Department of Homeland Security/FDLE/FLA
Michael P.S. Dwyer
813-872-7213
727-541-5335
mpsdwyer@aol.com



FBI Tampa
Room 610, FOB
500 Zack Street
Tampa, Florida 33602-3917
tampa.fbi.gov
813 / 273-4566 (voice)
https://tips.fbi.gov/





REF:

Florida Statutes (2003)

744.3215 Rights of persons determined incapacitated.--
(1) A person who has been determined to be incapacitated retains the right:
(a) To have an annual review of the guardianship report and plan.
(b) To have continuing review of the need for restriction of his or her rights.
(c) To be restored to capacity at the earliest possible time.
(d) To be treated humanely, with dignity and respect, and to be protected against abuse, neglect, and exploitation.
(e) To have a qualified guardian.
(f) To remain as independent as possible, including having his or her preference as to place and standard of living honored, either as he or she expressed or demonstrated his or her preference prior to the determination of his or her incapacity or as he or she currently expresses his or her preference, insofar as such request is reasonable.
(g) To be properly educated.
(h) To receive prudent financial management for his or her property and to be informed how his or her property is being managed, if he or she has lost the right to manage property.
(i) To receive necessary services and rehabilitation.
(j) To be free from discrimination because of his or her incapacity.
(k) To have access to the courts.
(l) To counsel.
(m) To receive visitors and communicate with others.
(n) To notice of all proceedings related to determination of capacity and guardianship, unless the court finds the incapacitated person lacks the ability to comprehend the notice.
(o) To privacy.


History.--s. 34, ch. 89-96; s. 19, ch. 90-271; s. 36, ch. 93-39; s. 13, ch. 94-183; s. 44, ch. 96-169; s. 6, ch. 96-354; s. 1782, ch. 97-102.

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825.102 Abuse, aggravated abuse, and neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult; penalties.--
(1) "Abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:
(a) Intentional infliction of physical or psychological injury upon an elderly person or disabled adult;
(b) An intentional act that could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult; or
(c) Active encouragement of any person to commit an act that results or could reasonably be expected to result in physical or psychological injury to an elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(2) "Aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult" occurs when a person:
(a) Commits aggravated battery on an elderly person or disabled adult;
(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages, an elderly person or disabled adult; or
(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult.

A person who commits aggravated abuse of an elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(3)(a) "Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult" means:
1. A caregiver's failure or omission to provide an elderly person or disabled adult with the care, supervision, and services necessary to maintain the elderly person's or disabled adult's physical and mental health, including, but not limited to, food, nutrition, clothing, shelter, supervision, medicine, and medical services that a prudent person would consider essential for the well-being of the elderly person or disabled adult; or
2. A caregiver's failure to make a reasonable effort to protect an elderly person or disabled adult from abuse, neglect, or exploitation by another person.

Neglect of an elderly person or disabled adult may be based on repeated conduct or on a single incident or omission that results in, or could reasonably be expected to result in, serious physical or psychological injury, or a substantial risk of death, to an elderly person or disabled adult.
(b) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the second degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(c) A person who willfully or by culpable negligence neglects an elderly person or disabled adult without causing great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the elderly person or disabled adult commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
History.--s. 3, ch. 95-158; s. 2, ch. 96-322.
759 posted on 11/16/2003 9:02:15 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit http://bellsouthpwp.net/p/c/pc93/terri_schindler_life_ribbon_campaign.htm)
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To: sweetliberty; All
I was reading a delightful novel today. Its setting could hardly be further from Terri's case. Yet as I read, I came upon an insight that just jumped off the page, as if I'd been pinged by the Lord. An epiphany.

It was about George Felos. Namely, that like every other bully, he must be frightened and unhappy inside.

Do you know what I think he's afraid of? Dying. He is obsessed with death and dying. I think he must be terrified of dying. I think all this bullying and truth-twisting and madness is all about his fear of dying. I think he believes he is sending others to their deaths in his place. If you feed the Beast, maybe the Beast won't eat you... at least not so soon.

It's ironic. The more he gets into this death culture, the further he gets from the comfort that God alone could give him.

760 posted on 11/16/2003 9:05:35 PM PST by T'wit
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