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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 11-13
Various | November 10, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/10/2003 8:35:02 PM PST by sweetliberty

(Thread 7 - November 11-13)

Link back to thread 6 - (Nov.8-10)
Link back to thread 5 - (Nov. 5-7)
Link back to thread 4 - (Nov. 3-4)
Link back to thread 3 (Nov. 1-2)
Link back to thread 2 - (Oct. 30-31)
Link back to thread 1 - (Oct. 29)


Contained in Thread 6:

*Correction on thread 6. In the heading where it says, "contained in thread 4," it should read, "contained in thread 5."

Contact information for Judge Greer, probate documents listed for Terry and Michael Schiavo, article from April, 2001 when Terri's feeding tube was ordered by Judge Quesada to be put back in pending deposition of Cindy Shook Brashers, link to clip of Steve Schiavo calling in to Glenn Beck's program, link to information on Schiavo/Centonze property value, link to transcript of On the Record interview with Ken Connor, link to American Patriot Friends Network, link to website, article about the testimony of Trudy Capone, link to post about co-sponsor of Terri's Bill in the House, Frank Attkisson giving legal reasons for the need for intervention on Terri's behalf, link to Hospice Patients Alliance website, statement that 9 neurologists have said that Terri is NOT in a PVS, Washington, information via email/fax, summary of legal expenses that Schiavo paid out of the money awarded to him for Terri’s care and rehabilitation, also see chart here for summary of legal expenses, This Round to Terri, But Fight Not Over article in Catholic Standard & Times (10/23/2003), another article, Schindlers Wonder What Happened the Night Terri Collapsed form Catholic Standard and Times:, and a serious question that is raised and needs to be researched.

Also in thread 6 (breaking it down into 2 paragraphs due to the length): information on holdings of Jodi Centonze, was Terri beaten(?), liability claims against Terri’s doctors, chronology of cases against Michael Schiavo, Schiavo v. Bush, who’s paying hospice(?), some quotes from George Felos’ book here and here, Jodi Centonze insurance connections, link to Village Voice article: Lying about Terri Schiavo, federal prohibition of use of funds for assisted suicide and euthanasia, the model husband according to George Felos (also see addition here), findings of Florida medical board on Dr. Hammersfahr and some facts about Judge Greer regarding this case.


Click on pic for Terri's website

This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

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To: nicmarlo
Fighting the Culture of Death

By Wendy Griffith
CBN News Sr. Reporter

November 3, 2003

* * *

Wendy Griffith: Do you sense in her even now a will to live?

Mary Schindler: After what she just went through? Six days without food and hydration, she was in the hospital with sepsis, she had a collapsed lung, she had pneumonia in September -- she should have died then. No, Terri wants to live!"

Terri's parents say they have proof that Terri wants to live. Since her husband stopped any rehabilitation more than 10 years ago, Terri's parents secretly conducted some therapy sessions via telephone.

Bob Schindler: All of a sudden I see her get up -- she was like in a reclining position -- up to the point where I jumped up, I thought she was going to fall on the floor, and I pulled her back. And I got on the phone with this individual -- I said, 'What did in the world did you tell her?' He said 'I told her unless you get up and get out of this place where you are now, they're going to kill you, and to save your own life you have to leave there immediately.'

Wendy Griffith: And you witnessed her reaction, she sat upright.

Mary Schindler: We both did. I said, 'What did you say to her?

* * *

Mary Schindler: I would love to take her outside with me in her chair in the sun. She's never left that room, three-and-a-half years -- she's never left that room.

Wendy Griffith: And Michael Schaivo will not allow her to be even brought outside to get a breath of fresh air.

Mary Schindler: No, nothing.
301 posted on 11/13/2003 5:05:42 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Husband Must Defend His Guardianship of Terri Schiavo

November 2003 - The husband of Terri Schindler Schiavo must respond to a petition filed by her parents to remove him as the legal guardian of the brain-damaged woman, a judge ruled Wednesday.

The decision by Florida Circuit Judge George Greer came as a surprise because the judge had denied three earlier requests by Terri's father and mother - Robert and Mary Schindler - to remove Michael Schiavo as his wife's guardian and appoint her father or sister in his place.

After a hearing on Wednesday, Greer rejected a request from Schiavo for the Schindlers' latest petition to be dismissed. That decision means Schiavo's attorneys must respond in court to the charges in the suit, which include:

Adultery in violation of Florida law;

Misappropriation of funds awarded by a civil jury for Terri's rehabilitation;

Conflict of interest. The Schindlers believe Schiavo may be trying to end Terri's life to avoid paying alimony that could be awarded if a new guardian successfully petitioned for a divorce on her behalf;

Denial of health care in violation of Florida law;

Failure to meet deadlines for completing guardianship plans as required by Florida law;

Failure to complete annual guardian training as required by Florida law;

Authorizing experimental medial procedures without court approval;

Concealing information from the court; and

Exceeding the specific guardianship authorities granted by the court, also allegedly in violation of Florida law.

Scott Swope, an attorney for Schiavo, called the ruling "unfortunate" and told the Associated Press that he will fight the petition. "(Michael) should remain her guardian because he has her best interests at heart," Swope said.

However, Patricia Anderson, attorney for the Schindlers, said she was pleased with the decision. "Schiavo has demonstrated through repeated and gross failures to comply with the law that he is incapable of discharging the duties of guardian," she stated.

302 posted on 11/13/2003 5:10:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: lonevoice
"I think she'd make a wallet out of them"

I doubt they're big enough.

303 posted on 11/13/2003 5:15:57 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: pickyourpoison
"I was just reading on another thread that Ann Coulter mentions Terri in her column."

I'll have to look it up. I wish she would do a whole column on her case though. I wish more FReepers would write to her about it. I already did.

304 posted on 11/13/2003 5:18:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: nicmarlo
Well, isn't that interesting? I suppose Greer threw that one out too.
305 posted on 11/13/2003 5:20:27 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: sweetliberty
Yes, Greer threw that suit out, too.

But, you'll like this one:

This month’s Black Boot Award winner is.............

Michael Schiavo

Michael Schiavo, the husband of Terry Schindler-Schiavo has attempted to kill his wife since 1998 by having her feeding tube removed, an action that would result in her slow death by starvation and dehydration. Terri has been unable to talk for 13 years after her collapse in February 1990 at their home in Saint Petersburg, Florida. Oxygen to her brain was cut off for several minutes resulting in brain damage. This incident has never been satisfactorily explained. With no living will prepared, the court took Michael’s word that she did not want to be a burden, and would wish to die. Michael sued Terri’s doctors for malpractice in 1992 and was awarded over $1.3 million dollars that was to be used for her care and therapy. Terri’s parents have been fighting Michael for 10 years over the lack of care and therapy for their daughter. Michael has repeatedly denied his wife therapy of any kind and has instructed her caregivers to keep Terri isolated as much as possible from family and friends. Michael has, however, spent over $400,000 dollars in attorney fees to have her life ended.

306 posted on 11/13/2003 5:26:36 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
Can you tell us just WHEN MS and his lawyers must respong to the court? Have been waiting to hear, but haven't seen anything more about it. Thanks so much! My prayers are going out to Terri and her family daily, and my thanks to Governor Bush for all his help!
307 posted on 11/13/2003 5:34:40 PM PST by seekthetruth
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To: sweetliberty

Post# 291 posted it from World Net Dailey
308 posted on 11/13/2003 5:35:14 PM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: nicmarlo
So, as we have seen, the money went to Felos (Not Terri, nor her rehab, nor her therapy, nor her doctors)

... and ...

the vast majority was spent AFTER the motion to kill her was filed!
309 posted on 11/13/2003 5:39:38 PM PST by Robert A Cook PE (I can only support FR by donating monthly, but ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: sweetliberty

If you guys have a chance take a look at the Ann Coulter thread. Some FReepers will be attracted to it because of her name who may not know all the details of the case. Good column, Ann!

310 posted on 11/13/2003 5:42:59 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: sweetliberty
She did a whole column. Tonight.
I dont know how to link, do a search on me, I pinged a couple of posters.
311 posted on 11/13/2003 5:47:13 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: sarasmom
nevermind-see 310
312 posted on 11/13/2003 5:48:20 PM PST by sarasmom
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To: seekthetruth
I'm not seeing it's even been filed...which, of course, cannot be. However, this is the only thing I'm finding (the previous case against him by Terri's parents):

Uniform Case Pinellas Case Section Case Type Type
522001CA003200XXCICI 01003200CI 011 NEGLIGENCE CI
Jury Trial STIP NOTH Reason Type Disp.
Filling Date Appeal Date Judg. Date Reop Date Docket Date
04/26/01 05/04/01      


10 Docket Entries, 08/14/03 to 05/20/03
Pages Date P/D Docket Entry Ver
  05/20/03 PLAINTIFF NOTICE OF HEARING 061803 @ 9 F
NOTH  Notice of Hearing
STIP  Stipulation
Ver Verified: F=Filed, N=Not Filed/Notice. There is no
case file document associated with a notice.
313 posted on 11/13/2003 5:54:55 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
the vast majority was spent AFTER the motion to kill her was filed!

Yes, I think he hired Felos in May 1998, no?

314 posted on 11/13/2003 5:55:37 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sarasmom
Got it! Here's the thread:

Remove Dennis Kucinich's Feeding Tube! (Terry Schiavo's Case By Ann Coulter!)

I'd like to think that the letter I sent her made a difference, or at least the letters that WE sent her.

I pinged the list over there. It might be a good thread to get into some more discussion on because a lot of FReepers might pay attention because it is Anne.

315 posted on 11/13/2003 6:00:14 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
Has this been posted yet?

Interesting Timeline
Posted By: Frank
Date: Thursday, 13 November 2003, at 4:15 p.m.

Many people, groups, and the media have harshly critcized Jeb Bush and the Florida legistature for passing "Terri's Bill", claiming among other things that it is uncostitutional to pass a law that applies only to one person.

Consider this timeline:

May 1997 - Deborah Bushnell send a leter to Judge Shames (he was before Judge Greer) saying that the Schindlers should be involved in Terri's care during her final days (since Michael intends to move Terri to hospice and remove her feeding tube).

Aug. 1997 - Felos sends a letter to the Schindler's notifying them of pending action to remove Terri's feeding tube.

May 1998 - George Felos is hired and files a petition in Court to remove Terri's feeding tube.

April 6, 1999 - House Bill 2131 was introduced in the legislature by the Florida Elder Affairs & Long-Term Care Committee to amend Section 765 (Civil Rights) of the Florida Statutes. two weeks later, the legislature Committee on Judiciary recommmended that House Bill 2131 should also change the Section 765.101 legal definition of life prolonging procedures to add: "INCLUDING ARTIFICIALLY PROVIDED SUSTENENCE AND HYDRATION, WHICH SUSTAINS, RESTORES, OR SUPPLANTS A SPONTANEOUS VITAL FUNCTION".

Oct 1, 1999 - Senate Bill 2228 (formerly HB2131) becomes law changing Section 765.101 of the Florida Statutes to include the above.

Jan 24, 2000 - Trial begins to decided whether to remove Terri's feeding tube.

Feb 11, 2000 - Judge Greer orders that Terri's feeding tube can be removed.

If you followed the timeline, Felos filed a petition to remove Terri's feeding tube BEFORE the law was changed, and the trial began AFTER the law was changed (and Greer approved removal of the tube).

Why is that? Did the Florida legislature knowingly or unknowingly pass a law that would apply specifically to Terri? I don't think there were any other hotly contested "right to die" cases at that time. (The cases of Cruzan, Bludworth, and Browning were decided years before). I wonder who paid-off or influenced who to get the law changed?

And here's some very interesting reading that might help answer that question (link below). Scroll down about half-way to "They make it all possible".

They make it all possible:

Congressman Bilirakis congressman for many years. Now his son Gus Michael Bilirakis serves on the Suncoast Hospice Board of Directors.

There are actually three boards because there are profits and non-profits.

The salaries at the top are sky high."

Barbara Sheehan Todd also serves on the Hospice Board. She was a County Commissioner the same time (1980-98) Judge Greer was a Pinellas county commissioner from 1984-92.

Judge Greer was a zoning lawyer.

Atty George Felos sat on the Hospice Board Felos has been paid approximately $550,000.00 Judge Greer used to be on Hospice's Board too (ED: Chairman of the Board)

Martha Lenderman - outgoing chairman of hospice, chair for 2 years, is sister of Judge John Lenderman (Family Law Division with Judge Greer)

Richard M Jerger, Jr (was a president of Pinellas Independent Agents, Inc in 1990-1991) is a holder in the PHILADELPHIA CONSOLIDATED HOLDING CORP which bought out Jerger and Sons. insured mobile homes

Raymond Blacklidge is a registered lobbyist in the Florida Legislature who works for the Jerger Company. Blacklidge is a Business Partner to Richard Jerger, who is an Insurance Executive selling mobile home insurance in the state of Florida. Jerger somehow became the Business Partner to Michael Schiavo.

Jodi Centonze is Michael Schiavo's domestic partner and now mother of his 2 children.

Barry G. Wilkinson registered agent for Jerger Ins.

Judge Greer and Robert Wharrie (hospice) are on the same dicussion PANEL!! Almost at the bottom of the page .

The Mcconihay Greer Connection Together on the board of "Suncoast Christian Camps Inc"... with GREER as registered agent..

The Damonte -Mcconihey connection

The Damonte - Mcconihay corp is called "Approved Management Corporation"...

Jonathan Damonte -lawyer for the Mobile home association, is connected to Greer through a business partner, Stephen McConihey

2nd Felon Gets 2nd Chance at Hospice
A payroll worker is the second employee the hospice hired in recent years despite a criminal record.
-After pleading guilty to felony grand theft in 2001 and being sentenced to five years of probation, (she used company credit card to use for work purchases to charge $7,791 for personal items before getting caught.) Karen Langan was looking for a new job.
-Another employee, Susan A. Wynn, pleaded guilty in Georgia to embezzlement in 1996 after admitting that she stole $370,000 from a public agency. Wynn, who served prison time and is on probation, works as an administrative assistant to the hospice's vice president of finance.

Link:St Petersburg Times Online

Based on his testimony promising rehabilitation services for Terri, in part, the malpractice jury awarded Mr. Schiavo $1,200,000.00, of which approximately $700,000.00 was placed in a trust fund for Terri's support and maintenance.

Terri has not been certified as "Terminally ill" as required by federal regulations for the use of federal funds for hospice care, yet has resided at Hopsice Woodside since March or April, 2000.

I am way past the blur stage. Who knew we would uncover so many complexities and turf wars between Hospice and former employees? This is a major legal-medical situation with political overtones without taking into account religious implications

316 posted on 11/13/2003 6:40:44 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit
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To: Snykerz
LOL! Excellent! Classic Ann Coulter!

Thanks for posting this, Snykerz.
317 posted on 11/13/2003 6:41:41 PM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: nicmarlo
see post 316
318 posted on 11/13/2003 6:44:26 PM PST by pc93 (Please visit
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To: pc93; sweetliberty; Budge; FL_engineer
BOMBSHELL See Post #316!!!!!
319 posted on 11/13/2003 7:01:29 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Republic; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter
BOMBSHELL See Post #316
320 posted on 11/13/2003 7:03:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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