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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 8 -10
Various | November 7, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/07/2003 7:54:47 PM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 6 - November 8-10, 2003)
(Link back to thread 5 - Nov. 5-7)

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Contained in Thread 4:

Link to article on Michael Schiavo from hometown newspaper, information on death by starvation and dehydration, information on hospice eligibility and hospice and medicare/medicaid fraud, e-mail address for Judge Greer, transcript of Larry King Live interview with Michael Schiavo and George Felos, Terri's address at the hospice and the address for the foundation, to send cards for Terri's birthday (December 3), transcript of O'Reilly interview with Kate Adamson, e-mail addresses for Florida legislature, transcript of Abrams Report interview with George Felos and Pam Anderson, transcription of Terri's bone scan, legalese for dummies version of Gov. Bush's motion to dismiss Sciavo's suit against the Constitutionality of Terri's Law, link to FatherOfLiberty's research on HBOT (Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy), links to ACLJ involvement in Schiavo case and Father Rob Johansen's daily update.

There are four other relevant posts that I want to highlight here in case anyone missed them or didn't get pinged. These are a general Terri thread troll alert, an especially thoughtful post about the sincere effort that FReepers are making in Terri's behalf, the Father's Love Letter , and remarks made by Jim Robinson on this issue and reposted here by lonevoice.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

There was a tremendous amount of information posted on the previous thread. For anyone who hasn't been following the daily threads, links to relevant posts and information from the previous thread are contained in the body of the present one. I have found that very helpful in trying to find something later. You people are doing a spectacular job of getting information out and also in helping to keep all of us updated here. What a great joint effort. This fight, to me, illustrates beautifully what Free Republic is about and what it means to be a FReeper. Way to go FRiends. Keep up the good work!

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Latest threads On Terri's Case

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Terri Schiavo Case: Gov. Bush Asks To Meet New Guardian

Terri Schiavo Case: Creditable Witnesses & the 1st Guardian

Judge Rejects Bush Effort in Schiavo Case

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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: attorneyfromhell; buttout; daily; euthanasia; florida; forcesofevil; georgefelos; guardianfromhell; hino; merchantsofdeath; michaelschiavo; righttolife; schiavo; schiavothread; schindler; terri; terrischiavo; terrischindler
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To: Krodg
That's doing the same thing to me (.exe file).....you also?
1,081 posted on 11/10/2003 5:52:15 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: sfRummygirl
Sorry, I haven't even checked out the promissory note info....not even sure where one would begin with that one.
1,082 posted on 11/10/2003 5:53:19 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Shortstop7
This line about not being bothered with the removal of his parents' feeding tubes got almost no attention after the Larry King appearance. Did people not catch what he said? Or am I reading more into this line than is really there? Did he just mean that the parents stopped eating before their deaths and that he had therefore been through a starvation death of loved ones.

I just wonder if there have been suits against Morton Hospital in regards to Schiavo's nursing work at the facility.
1,083 posted on 11/10/2003 6:04:38 AM PST by Theodore R. (te)
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To: Shortstop7
I am now reading the lengthy "The Age of Reagan" (2001) by Stephen Hayward. This book has a great overview of the Vietnam War and explained how the "destroy the village to save it" came into our vocabulary. I understand Arnett was removed from CNN, but I don't know where he is "practicing" his journalism these days.
1,084 posted on 11/10/2003 6:06:10 AM PST by Theodore R. (te)
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To: nicmarlo
The link I posted takes me to a search page. Have you tried going in through their main site and then going to Dept of Corporations?

http://www.sunbiz.org/
1,085 posted on 11/10/2003 6:06:26 AM PST by Krodg
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To: T'wit
Aren't you surprise, T'wit, that you have all these "inquiring" questions about this case, and yet Peter, Dan, Tom, Katie, and even the National Enquirer don't have the slightest interest in "this story" about "a vegetable."
1,086 posted on 11/10/2003 6:11:55 AM PST by Theodore R. (te)
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To: patriot40068; cyn; Ethan_Allen; cpforlife.org; FL_engineer; sweetliberty; Chocolate Rose; ...
I'm not sure where they died, some are curious to know especially after the Larry King Live interview when Michael said he had to do the same thing with his parents....

This link was a post to me by Chocolate Rose
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1015038/posts?page=889#889
KING: But why do you want it taken out? Why do you want the feeding tube removed?

SCHIAVO: This is Terri's wish. And I'm going to follow that wish, if it's the last thing I can do for Terri. I love Terri deeply. And I'm going to follow it up for Terri.

EVERYONE please not the discliamer at the top of the page for the transcript
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

I taped the show that night and just watched again to make sure I am correct....soon after Larry asked M about the girlfriend he asked M

You could have walked away, why not just walk away?

Michael says"I love Terri, I'm going to follow her wishes and nothing's going to stop me."

We need to keep in mind that these transcripts are not 'word for word' copy of what was said on the show.

I saw several posts with the transcripts posted and just glossed over them since I had watched the show....I should have paid more attention!!
1,087 posted on 11/10/2003 6:14:40 AM PST by tutstar
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Well write up this "Scott Blough" as one of the luckiest men in FL! He got out while he could. Her name must have been Jodi Centzone Blough ____ (waiting for Schiavo).
1,088 posted on 11/10/2003 6:15:12 AM PST by Theodore R. (te)
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To: TaxRelief
He thinks he can read the souls of disabled people....has shouted "Do you want to die?" at them.....
1,089 posted on 11/10/2003 6:17:12 AM PST by tutstar
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To: tutstar
I believe that both Schiavos died in FL but were buried in PA. I may be wrong. There are so many angles to this story that hardly anyone knows everything about it. Like Churchill said of the old Soviet Union: "it is an mystery shrouded in an enigma."
1,090 posted on 11/10/2003 6:24:08 AM PST by Theodore R. (te)
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To: tutstar; Chocolate Rose; msmagoo; CindyDawg; All
perhaps someone who has the LKL interview ON TAPE
could copy the 'rough' inaccurate LKL transcript
that CNN put out, and touch it up with the TRUTH.

I wouldn't be surprised it the CNN transcriber was someone
sympathetic to MS, and twisted a few sentences that would
have looked really bad for MS.
1,091 posted on 11/10/2003 6:34:07 AM PST by Future Useless Eater (Freedom_Loving_Engineer)
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To: Ohioan from Florida; dandelion; dixiegrrl
In case anyone's interested, SCOTT SWOPE, ESQUIRE, is helping George Felos with his death march. What's in his closet? Please indicate where you found the information i.e. IN PUBLIC DOMAIN to cya. Or, you can always freepmail me.

Further, STETSON COLLEGE OF LAW. They are harried about Jeb Bush stepping in. REPEATEDLY HARRIED. What is their agenda???

1,092 posted on 11/10/2003 6:35:45 AM PST by floriduh voter (Breaking at baynews9.com...conservative-spirit.org FR Site)
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To: Wampus SC
God our Father, we pray for the people on FR, their families, and their friends who work to save Terri, those like her, and those who will one day be like her, from the evil culture of death. We pray you grant them the discernment to walk through the maze of confusion the adversary has built. We pray you grant them wisdom to know your will, courage to continue, strength to persevere; and we pray you grant them your protection. In Jesus name, amen

Amen...

1,093 posted on 11/10/2003 6:43:22 AM PST by pollywog (Psalm 121;1 I Lift mine eyes to the hills from whence cometh my help.)
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To: Quietly
I feel, Quietly, that you are closer to God's wisdom than I am, so I post this because you have shown us our need:

He Maketh No Mistake ~ He leadeth me ... Psalm 23:2

My Father's way may twist and turn, My heart may throb and ache; But in my soul I'm glad to know He maketh no mistake.

My cherished plans may go astray, My hopes may fade away; But still I'll trust my Lord to lead, For He doth know the way.

Though night be dark and it may seem That day will never break, I'll pin my faith, my all, on Him; He maketh no mistake.

There's so much now I cannot see, My eyesight's far too dim; But come what may, I'll simply trust And leave it all to Him.

For by-and-by the mist will lift, And plain it all He'll make; Through all the way, though dark to me, He made not one mistake.

~ A. M. Overton

"In His hand is the life of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind" Job 12:10

You honor your God and your family and your extended family here, Quietly, with the beauty of your presence. May the Lord grant you the desires of your heart, in His blessed name I pray, Amen ...

1,094 posted on 11/10/2003 6:45:35 AM PST by Pegita ('Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus, just to take Him at His Word ...)
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To: TaxRelief
The excerpts I have read from his book prove without a doubt what a total nutcase Felos is. Here are some excerpts that were included in one of the petitions made by the Schindlers (I believe this is the one that was filed Aug. 30, 2003):

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30. Mr. Felos' book, Litigation as Spiritual Practice, contains numerous bizarre anecdotes about his ardent desire to end the administration of food and water to severely
disabled or gravely sick patients.

31. On page 63, referring to his landmark Florida state court case, Estate of Browning, Felos writes: "Such a deep, dark, silent blue. I stared as far into her eyes as I could, hoping to sense some glimmer of understanding, some hint of awareness. The deeper I dove, the darker became the blue, until the blue became the black of some bottomless lake. 'Mrs. Browning, do you want to die?...Do you want to die?' - I near shouted as I continued to peer into her pools of strikingly beautiful but incognizant blue. It felt so eerie."

32. On page 73, Attorney Felos writes: "As I continued to stay beside Mrs. Browning at her nursing home bed, I felt my mind relax and my weight sink into the ground. I began to feel light-headed as I became more reposed. Although feeling like I could drift into sleep, I also experienced a sense of heightened awareness. As Mrs. Browning lay motionless before my gaze, I suddenly heard a loud, deep moan and scream and wondered if the nursing home personnel heard it....In the next moment, as this cry of pain and torment continued, I realized it was Mrs. Browning. I felt the mid-section of my body open and noticed a strange quality to the light in the room. I sensed her soul in agony. As she screamed I heard her say, in confusion, 'Why am I still here... why am I here?' My soul touched hers and in some way I communicated that she was still locked to her body. I promised I would do everything in my power to gain the release her soul cried for. with that the screaming immediately stopped. I felt like I was back in my head again."

33. On page 75, Felos says: "Before our son was conceived, my then wife and I went through a long and arduous process trying to decide if we should have a child. Given that our marriage was never very stable, the familiar arguments against creating progeny seemed at times hard to overcome....One morning, while still generally engaged in that process, I walked into my office, and about half way to my desk was hammer-struck. While almost seeing stars like a comic book character, I heard the soul of my yet-to-be-conceived child emphatically shout: I'm ready to be born... will you stop this fooling around!'...The voice I heard was distinctly male, and I beamed with the idea I had a son - or was going to have a son - or sorta had a son out there - or something like that."

34. On page 216, again discussing Estate of Browning, Mr. Felos writes about the late Estelle M. Browning: "As I always did, I looked into her eyes and shouted to her, hoping for some response or sign. After a minute or two I sat in the chair by the foot of her bed, closed my eyes, and started to meditate. Having 'soulspoken' with Mrs. Browning when we first met, I decided, with a measure of earnest self-inflation, to purposefully initiate such contact. I settled into my breath and noticed all the passing sounds move through my consciousness. As I deepened my relaxation, I reached out with my awareness to see if I could touch her soul-presence. From deep inside I repeated, 'Mrs. Browning, it's okay to leave your body. There is no reason to stay in this body. It is all right to die now.' A few minutes into my meditative encouragement, I was jarred by a high-pitched sarcastic cackle and the words, 'You're telling me to drop my body - and you can't even get out of your head.' Apparently, Mrs. Browning had a spirited sense of humor!"

35. On pages 181-182 of his book, Felos claims that merely by visualizing a plane crash during a flight he was taking back to Florida, he caused the plane to begin to crash and that God spoke to him at that moment to warn him: "Be careful what you think. You are more powerful than you realize'.....I was startled, humbled, and blessed by God's admonishment."


1,095 posted on 11/10/2003 6:45:50 AM PST by iowamomforfreedom (Why is it illegal to starve an animal but not a human being?)
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To: iowamomforfreedom

It would be interesting to hear what Ms. Browning's family think about his statements in this book
1,096 posted on 11/10/2003 6:59:42 AM PST by pickyourpoison
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To: Krodg
Just did again...I continue to only get something to download, nothing to look at unless I do. (So, I give up, lol.)
1,097 posted on 11/10/2003 7:06:29 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: iowamomforfreedom; sweetliberty; Mo1
The deeper I dove, the darker became the blue, until the blue became the black of some bottomless lake

Perhaps what he was seeing was his own reflection of evil in her blue eyes.

1,098 posted on 11/10/2003 7:07:59 AM PST by nicmarlo
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To: TaxRelief
Did he say that in his book?

There a bunch of quotes from Felos' book in Chris Ferraro's legal brief. The brief was linked a few times here, but I can't find it right now. You can also go to Felos' publisher's site and read some weird quotes there.

http://www.bluedolphinpublishing.com/Litigation.htm

"While standing in the house with the realtor, I knew I would live there, as improbable as the circumstances made it seem. Believing that something will happen is not foresight. Rather, it is the actual experience in the present of something that will occur in the future. The paradox with this form of intuition is that the future is no longer the future because it becomes for that moment the present. When I entered that house for the first time, I knew I would live there because, through foresight, I realized I was already living there.

Most times this "knowing" for me is sensed as a feeling. Sometimes I hear it, and sometimes I see it. This is not to say that I go around every day intuiting tomorrow's events. I'm stuck in my head a good portion of the time, like most of us in our mentally over-developed culture. This means that most of our energy is tied up intellectually, engaged in thought and reacting to thought. And much of the time our reactive thought process drives our emotions. How we feel depends upon whether we happen to be attracted to, averse to or indifferent to what we are thinking.

Intuition does not lie in the rational mind. Sometimes it is "seen" through other centers of the body, such as the heart or solar plexus. Everybody has had that "gut feeling." For me, the experience of intuition through sight is like seeing two different realities at the same time. To use a Star Trek analogy, it's dimensionally multi-phasic. (I wondered whether I could write this book without referring to Star Trek, and didn't get past page three!)

The crew of the Enterprise, beset in one episode by all types of strange maladies, discovered that they were infected by invisible parasitic creatures attached to their bodies. The creatures were unseeable because they existed in another phasic dimension. They occupied the same space and time, but at a different vibrational level. With the benefit of a hand-held "multi-phasic viewing device" constructed by our heroes, they could press a button and observe the creatures on their skin. Release the button and they were gone. Intuitive seeing is somewhat like that for me. A transparent image exists and is there, and then it's not. While extremely subtle, it is also undeniably real."


He's a real lulu.
1,099 posted on 11/10/2003 7:08:02 AM PST by FR_addict
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To: iowamomforfreedom
Good you found the quotes from Feraro's brief.

I like the StarShip Enterprise quotes too, even though they don't really have as much to do directly with this case.
1,100 posted on 11/10/2003 7:11:12 AM PST by FR_addict
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