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Terri's Fight - (Daily Thread/Updates) November 5 -7, 2003
Various | November 5, 2003 | sweetliberty

Posted on 11/05/2003 12:14:25 AM PST by sweetliberty

TERRI'S FIGHT
(Thread 5 - November 5-7)
(Link back to Thread 4 - Nov. 3-4)

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Contained in Thread 4:

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Resource links to search business and criminal records in Florida, info on special guardian ad litum meeting (attempt to change qualifications?), Michael Schiavo parody, link to referral letter for Dr. Hammersfahr to the Nobel committee, transcript to Abrams Report closing commments - Nov.3, e-mail address for Larry King Live, Florida statutes on guardianship and some damning statements against Michael.

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Click on pic for Terri's website

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This thread serves as a place for posting all new general information and references, along with links following Terri's case, plus information on cable news and talk radio shows dealing with the issue, court cases and press releases. This is also the place to post contact information, prayers and general discussion.

If you have something that qualifies as BREAKING NEWS or FRONT PAGE NEWS, please post it on a separate thread in that category in order to give it maximum exposure and then post a link to the article/thread here so that it will be included in the next update of links. Also, if you post links to articles from original sources and there is also a thread on FR, please link to the FR thread. Many original links become corrupt over time and we want to be able to access the information at will.

I know we're all getting tired, but we have to hang in there. This isn't just Terri's fight anymore. It is our fight too. To everyone who has worked tirelessly to gather information, write letters, make phone calls, spend time in prayer, be at the vigil supporting Terri's family and all the many other offerings you have given for this effort, thank you and may the Lord richly bless you.

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To: Krodg; Admin Moderator
I still need help.

Krodg, back towards the beginning of this thread sweetliberty mentioned that her comments page was all messed up too. She pinged Admin Moderator and they said they were aware of it and would fix it. I went ahead and pinged the Mod on this post too. I hope you don't mind.

581 posted on 11/06/2003 2:25:28 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: Annie03
You know, something has to be done about groups and individuals like the ACLU (American Criminal Liberties Union) and Felos to start firing back.

Bill O'Reilly did a great piece and there are organizations (one listed on The Factor website) that are gearing up to start fighting the ACLU's anti-Christian, anti-Christmas litigious bombardment about manger displays on public property.

I do believe there will be a movement in the country of attorneys and law groups countersuing when the ACLU starts it's BS.
582 posted on 11/06/2003 2:25:44 PM PST by atruelady
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To: msmagoo
Excellent article, and yes, from an unexpected source!
583 posted on 11/06/2003 2:27:35 PM PST by atruelady
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To: Annie03
Schiavo's morality consists of a fear of getting caught.
584 posted on 11/06/2003 2:28:43 PM PST by atruelady
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To: pickyourpoison
he would have divorced himself from the money too.

IMO,I don't think he started this with the money in mind. I 'think' they had a major fight and he was scared because she didn't get up. He called her dad in a panic..then 911 was called. I'm not sure at this point whether he thought she would pull through and he could convince her that he loved her (abuse victims are mentaly beaten down first..I know) or if he thought she would die. It could also be premeditated.

Next, she's in ER (it would be nice to have those records) now the doctors come to Michael and her family and start asking questions. Michael now has a clue to where to fight..

585 posted on 11/06/2003 2:34:45 PM PST by Krodg (a proud member of the 'God's Squad')
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To: sweetliberty
Posted here, too.

There have been a number of mentions of Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) for Terri Schiavo in the media and on Free Republic, some of it quite disparaging due to the so-called “experimental nature” of HBOT.  I believe that some of the disparaging comments are due to the lack of familiarity with HBOT.  As a rehab professional (Occupational Therapist) working with people having all types of orthopedic, musculoskeletal and neurological injuries, I am always interested in learning about medical and/or rehab treatment techniques that can positively impact my patients’ lives.  I took it upon myself to become more knowledgeable about HBOT so that I could objectively evaluate this treatment technique.  Please note that when it comes to new and/or “out of the mainstream” medical treatments, I am the BIGGEST skeptic.  That said, I believe that HBOT has very good potential to help people with acute or chronic neurological problems – not a cure-all by any means, but indeed a treatment technique that should be considered for Terri and others like her.  At worst it is a benign treatment.  At best - well, check out some of the links that follow.

I have a friend who is an RN with a specialty in intensive care who runs a Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy program in a metropolitan hospital.  He was able to provide me with a wealth of information on HBOT, including the “off label” uses of HBOT, including treatment of traumatic brain injury (like Terri).

The following background information was gathered from the Hyperbaric Healing Institute. 

What is HBOT?

Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy (HBOT) is a method of administering pure oxygen at greater than atmospheric pressure to a patient in order to improve or correct conditions. By providing pure oxygen in a pressurized chamber we are able to deliver 10-15 times more oxygen then if delivered at sea level or at normal atmospheric levels. Some of the effects this has are to promote the growth of new blood vessels, decreases swelling and inflammation, deactivates toxins, increase the body’s ability to fight infections, clears out toxins and metabolic waste products, and improve the rate of healing. HBOT should be used to compliment conventional therapies and treatments.

HBOT is very cost effective.

HBOT is safe.

HBOT is noninvasive.

HBOT works well with other treatments.

For years, conventional medicine thought of HBOT only as a treatment for decompression sickness, however, the use of HBOT is becoming increasingly common in general practice as more doctors become acquainted with new applications. Doctors now realize that HBOT has other uses, including the treatment of non-healing wounds, Carbon Monoxide poisoning, various infections, damage caused by radiation treatments, near- drowning, near-hanging, brain and nerve disorders, cardiovascular disorders; and some digestive system disorders. Unfortunately, in the US there are currently 13 approved indications for HBOT that hospitals will treat.

While most programs limit their hyperbaric treatment protocols to only those 13 indications that are reimbursed by federally funded programs, Hyperbaric Healing Institute’s treatment protocols encompass all indications that have proven beneficial effects.  There are approximately 66 applications that have been noted to receive benefit from HBOT, including:

Stroke - There are 1.7 million stroke survivors in this country: survivors who often suffer devastating consequences such as paralysis, a life in a wheelchair, impairments in speech and thought. They could tremendously benefit from hyperbaric oxygen therapy. Since the early 1970’s, scientific journals have reported over 1,000 cases demonstrating a 40-100% rate of improvement for stroke patients treated with HBOT.

Traumatic Brain Injury - According to the CDC, each year an estimated 80,000 Americans survive a hospitalization for traumatic brain injury (TBI) but are discharged with TBI-related disabilities. An estimated 5.3 million Americans are living today with a TBI-related disability. After brain trauma from an accident, brain cells die or become dormant from lack of oxygen. It is thought that many of these cells can be revived through hyperbaric oxygen therapy. The enormous amount of data supporting HBOT as a viable treatment for brain injury has prompted the passage of legislation in Texas that allows for HBOT for acquired brain injury to be paid for by Medicare and insurance.

See other applications HERE.

Here is another site that my HBOT RN friend thought would be interesting in relation to Terri’s case.  The parents of George Melendez, a young man who sustained brain injury similar to Terri due to an auto accident and near-drowning (car landed in water and was submerged), have created a Tribute Website for him.  I encourage you to read about George and his treatment with HBOT – again, not a cure-all, but it did improve his quality of life.  At the home page, make sure you follow the “Special Update for Terri Schindler-Schiavo” link, too.

For those interested in a more detailed medical and physiological description of HBOT, I highly recommend Dr. Paul Harch's very detailed website on Hyperbaric Medicine.

For those with more interest and TONS of time to kill, check out this link to the Yahoo search engine for Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy and Brain Injury.

586 posted on 11/06/2003 2:46:06 PM PST by FatherOfLiberty (Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
So, what does your comment page look like? What seems to be messed up?

I'm thinking that one of my posts wasn't formatted correctly and now everything post seems to run off the page.

587 posted on 11/06/2003 2:50:51 PM PST by Krodg (a proud member of the 'God's Squad')
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To: lonevoice
Thank you. May God bless you always...
588 posted on 11/06/2003 2:53:41 PM PST by Krodg (a proud member of the 'God's Squad')
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To: atruelady
ATRUELADY WROTE: "This court came to the erroneous decision by relying on doctors who reviewed "cleaned out" medical records presenting a distorted view of things in addition to ignoring the Schindlers proof that Terri never had proper care."

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I AM RESPONDING:
EXACTLY!!! The Doctors AND Greer only had "sanitized" medical records to make a judgement.

589 posted on 11/06/2003 2:54:20 PM PST by Concerned
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To: Lone Voice in the hinterlands
BUMP for a great email to Judge Greer!
590 posted on 11/06/2003 2:55:20 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: Concerned
Yes, so if the Schindlers are able to get their daughter/sister back, they will be able to move her out of that "place" she is in now. I can't wait. I hope Greer really rules properly on this. This isn't a "me versus you" situation where the truth doesn't matter. The truth does matter and all Greer has to do it look at everything in that petition and rule according to law. Seems simple.
591 posted on 11/06/2003 3:00:04 PM PST by atruelady
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To: FatherOfLiberty; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; ...
For your information ping to #586.
592 posted on 11/06/2003 3:00:51 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FatherOfLiberty
Wow wow wow! You have done a TON of quality research here! I'll be spending some time later today going through it in detail. As you know, HBOT is an integral part of the therapy that Dr. Hammesfahr is proposing for Terri. He apparently combines HBOT with an unconventional use of vasodilator meds. His methods and claims have been subjected to microscopic scrutiny by Dept of Health, Medicare, and Board of Medicine. They've all concluded he's over 80% effective in restoring function in brain injured patients. That included patients whose injuries were of such long-standing duration (like Terri) that conventional neurology deemed them impossible to improve. Yet, improve they did.

This is totally amazing work you've posted for us and I thank you most sincerely.

593 posted on 11/06/2003 3:07:19 PM PST by lonevoice (Legal disclaimer: The above is MY OPINION)
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To: pickyourpoison
"He's been well paid and is supposed to be representing Terri."

I don't know why I hadn't thought of it before, but I wonder if that isn't how the HINO got the judge to agree to let him use the money for lawyers' fees....by claiming that the attorney represented Terri and her interests.

594 posted on 11/06/2003 3:07:30 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: FatherOfLiberty
Thanks for speaking up about HBOT. As a mainstream medical professional for years I was also hesitant to accept "unconventional" medical treatment without scrutiny. That said HBOT has passed with flying colors. Many tremendous changes have been experienced by many folks. And when you have a severely affected loved one, stopping reflux, contractures, drooling is a blessing as well as the many other improvements that have been noted.

If memory serves me correct. They found out about the neurological benefits from HBOT when folks with existing neurological deficits were treated with HBOT for one of the 13 approved indications and as a side effect they had improvements in their overall neurological function.

Hoping this will become standard practice of care for us here in the US. How much more able people with brain injuries could be.
595 posted on 11/06/2003 3:08:45 PM PST by 4Godsoloved..Hegave (Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink:)
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To: daylate-dollarshort
No one was saying that the Kate Adamson case is exactly like that of Terri's. Terri may never recover as we would like, but we want her to have the chance. Her rehabilitation money was funneled to lawyers to kill her, not to make her well. Schiavo should reimburse the fund in full. He should be sued for multiple damages (punitive) for stopping the rehabilitation promised by the court. By no means should he ever have been her guardian. That's common sense. I bet even Larry King is slowly coming to the conclusion that Schiavo is a fraud. Of course, he may not admit such thinking.
596 posted on 11/06/2003 3:14:44 PM PST by Theodore R.
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To: sweetliberty; Jim Robinson; John Robinson; All
"Evil prospers when good men do nothing!"

The evil in this case will not prosper but will be defeated. Why?

Because of all you good men who did something!

God Bless everyone who stood up for what was right.

597 posted on 11/06/2003 3:15:27 PM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: Budge; Pegita; cyn; Ladysmith; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
Coral Snake Song: King Bibler's Army (George Felos's Death Culture army)
598 posted on 11/06/2003 3:15:53 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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To: lonevoice
Oh my! That is one of the best analysis from the press I've yet seen, and from a most unexpected source. How awesome that the author also mentions a few upcoming series on this critical issue. I think this article is worthy of posting on its own thread. Would you consider that?

Yes, it's a great article and the promise of more to come is encouraging. Will someone with a PING list please post it as a thread? :)

It's also noteworthy that support for Terri and others like her is coming from both the "right" and the "left" - her cause hits a nerve that has drawn support from advocates for the disabled, advocates who honor our right to LIFE, LIBERTY and the pursuit of HAPPINESS regardless of religion, race or political affiliation! The ACLU and the bioethicists who believe it's acceptable to judicially sentence a brain-damaged person to a cruel, painful death because her life is "meaningless" by their standards are no better than the ghouls who masterminded and executed Hitler's Final Solution.

599 posted on 11/06/2003 3:27:14 PM PST by msmagoo
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To: pickyourpoison
"Seems like all she has to do is say, I don't have your money. You said in court you didn't have any money. Now get out of MY house, give me MY car keys and as you leave take notice of the restraining order on MY door. I'll be expecting child support for YOUR kids, now take a hike."

Priceless!

600 posted on 11/06/2003 3:31:39 PM PST by sweetliberty ("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
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