The Mystery of Marina Oswald

Even the basic statements about Oswald's guilt have to be taken with a coupla pounds of salt.

The gun- absolute garbage; scope- absolute garbage; Oswald- poor shot but to the WC that adds up to some of the finest shooting outside of the Olympics (which has NEVER been duplicated under same conditions.) Purchased with a money order bought WHILE OSWALD WAS AT WORK. Gun mailed to name NOT AUTHORIZED to pick up mail at box. NO evidence Oswald ever picked up package, no signed receipt, no memory of clerk, nothing.

This whole thing seems clearly a setup. Why would Oswald purchase a gun through mail order to be sent to a PO Box both of which would leave a clear trail pointing to him when he could have purchased better guns more cheaply from dozens, if not hundreds, of locations in Texas with NO TRAIL to him? BTW this led to one of the first federal gun control laws since we obviously could not have assassins ordering their weapons through the mail, now could we?

No evidence that he EVER bought ammunition for it, NO other ammunition found for it. No evidence that he EVER practiced with it. Scope attached improperly so it could not be accurately sighted. Gun ordered was DIFFERENT LENGTH from gun found. NO way of getting it into TBD (it was a foot longer at its smallest disassembled length than "package" claimed claimed to have been used to bring it into the building by Official Lie.) Tests FAIL to show he fired rifle that day.

EVIDENCE shows indisputably that he was on second floor BEFORE and immediately AFTER shooting (by the first cop into the building.) NO teleportation device to get him from the sixth to second floor instantaneously has ever been found.

Now the claim is that the Magik bullet entered JC's back SIDEWAYS. This does NOT explain the slight damage to the bullet NOR how it could have caused all the wounds attributed to it.

Oswald had indicated to several people that he ADMIRED Kennedy and the statement he made after the shooting was that Kennedy's removal WOULD NOT CHANGE POLICY TOWARD CUBA.
NO INTERROGATION NOTES WERE TAKEN, NO TAPES NOTHING. Crime of Century treated like a shop lifting case.

All claims that various tests show fragments of bullets show that the shots came from the MC are false. The most that can be claimed is that the fragments came from bullets made from the same batch of metal as the reference bullets. NO slugs can be definitely attributed to that rifle (other than possibly the magik bullet.)

As you indicate there are HUGE problems with the WC Report.
Even though the Defenders of the Official Lie claim skeptics are demented, deluded, drunk, drug-addled etc., they are merely applying critical analysis to the known facts many of which do NOT support the conclusions of the Warren Report. Several of the members of the commission did NOT believe it: Hale Boggs, Richard Russell and John Sherman Cooper for example.

81 posted on 11/25/2003 9:11:13 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)

To: SoCal Pubbie

In no way does the bullet look as though it smashed a four inch hunk of rib out of Connelly AND broke a couple of other bones. It is slightly damaged. Far too slightly.

Pristine was NOT a description originating from Oliver Stone but was used years earlier.

82 posted on 11/25/2003 9:13:55 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)

Do you believe ANYTHING else Peter Jennings and ABC have ever said? Having those opposed as the strongest argument I know that Oswald did not act alone.

83 posted on 11/25/2003 9:15:33 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)

It's interesting to note that Marina blamed the FBI. It makes no sense for the FBI to kill Kennedy because then they would get Goodwin's lover, LBJ, a truly horrible president.

So why would she attack the FBI? Perhaps because she wanted to divert the investigation from whoever was responsible?

84 posted on 11/25/2003 9:47:51 AM PST by Dante3

To: brityank; aristeides; OKCSubmariner; honway

See reply #20 for some interesting details. Thanks brityank!

85 posted on 11/25/2003 10:31:55 AM PST by Fred Mertz

To: brityank; Fred Mertz

The FULL records of the interrogation of Lee Harvey Oswald, including his interrogation in the presence of John Franklin Elrod as described by Elrod in an FBI report dated August 11, 1964.

I thought there were no records of Oswald's interrogation.

I wonder if any of these documents, especially Rankin's, have since been released. I wonder if anybody has made a FOIA request for any of them.

86 posted on 11/25/2003 11:16:54 AM PST by aristeides

Additionally, the theorists misplace Connally in the car--they assume that he was sitting at the same level and directly in front of Kennedy. Actually, he was slightly lower and a bit to the left. When put Connally in his true position, the bullet path through both bodies lines up much better.

Excellent post. Connally was in the jump seat in front of JFK and was probably 6 or 8 inches lower. Also, the entrance wound scar on Connally's back was oblong and about one inch long, which could have only happened if the bullet was tumbling. Reason for the tumbling? It passed through the tissue of JFK's neck first, without striking any bone.

87 posted on 11/25/2003 11:26:33 AM PST by IndyTiger

It's interesting to note that Marina blamed the FBI. It makes no sense for the FBI to kill Kennedy because then they would get Goodwin's lover, LBJ, a truly horrible president.

Kennedy and Hoover hated each other. I believe the relations between Hoover and LBJ were good.

88 posted on 11/25/2003 11:29:28 AM PST by aristeides

89 posted on 11/25/2003 1:32:39 PM PST by Tares

http://graffiti.virgin.net/paul.seaton1/jfk/diagrams/z312-314.gif

Can you add this one?.. I think it's very important.

90 posted on 11/25/2003 1:43:52 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)

2. The idea that he took three shots with his bolt-action Italian rifle in the elapsed time (a few seconds) -- taking out Kennedy with the head shot -- is just outside the box of credibility. No matter how we strain, we can't get there.

Two shots in 8 seconds is "outside their box of credibility"?

I think this article is outside my box of credibility.

91 posted on 11/25/2003 1:53:38 PM PST by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)

To: justshutupandtakeit

Do you believe ANYTHING else Peter Jennings and ABC have ever said?

If it had been ABC's work, of course I would be skeptical. However, it seems to me that the techniques involved in the computer modeling were fundamentally sound, and by being able to explore the Presidential limousine and its occupants from any angle, we've gained a valuable new tool in analyzing what happened.

It's not enough to dismiss the message primarily because you don't like the messenger.

92 posted on 11/25/2003 2:01:40 PM PST by Dog Gone

93 posted on 11/25/2003 2:23:09 PM PST by Tares

94 posted on 11/25/2003 2:24:59 PM PST by Tares

Computer modeling is totally dependent upon the assumptions and starting points the model starts with. Start with imlausibe or false assumptions and the model's results are valueless. Jennings is a Liar and ABC is a pack of Liars as well.

You really believe a bullet entered Connelly's back SIDEWAYS?

At any rate you can see in the Z film that JFK is reacting to the first hit as soon as he comes from behind the traffic sign while JC is sitting passively not reacting at all.

95 posted on 11/25/2003 2:29:21 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)

96 posted on 11/25/2003 2:43:23 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)

97 posted on 11/25/2003 2:57:06 PM PST by Tares

To: justshutupandtakeit

At any rate you can see in the Z film that JFK is reacting to the first hit as soon as he comes from behind the traffic sign while JC is sitting passively not reacting at all.

See the links posted here.

98 posted on 11/25/2003 2:59:07 PM PST by Tares

To: justshutupandtakeit

You really believe a bullet entered Connelly's back SIDEWAYS?

Since that was the shape of the entry wound, and bullets are known to tumble if they've already encountered a target, why would that be astounding to you?

99 posted on 11/25/2003 3:41:51 PM PST by Dog Gone

Because of the small size and dean-cut edges of the wound on the Governor's back, Dr. Robert Shaw concluded that it was an entry wound. The bullet traversed the Governor's chest in a downward angle, shattering his fifth rib, and exited below the right nipple. The ragged edges of the 2-inch (5 centimeters) opening on the front of the chest led Dr. Shaw to conclude that it was the exit point of the bullet.

100 posted on 11/25/2003 6:24:07 PM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)

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