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A FReeper's Guide To Immigration Reform

Posted on 01/12/2004 9:37:51 AM PST by Happy2BMe

The President's Speech on Immigration Reform given on January 7th, 2004 has many far reaching proposals which if enacted into law, will shape the future of America for generations to come.

It is the first such immigration reform initiative by any president since Ronald Reagan granted amnesty to illegal immigrants living in the United States in 1986.

President Bush's immigration reform initiative would provide immediate and significant legal protections and rights for any illegal immigrants now living in the United States providing they inform the government of their presence here by legally registering it with the .

Significant benefits and privileges, including an opportunity for U.S. citizenship, would be granted to these immigrants as a result of their cooperation.

Since at least ten million illegal immigrants already living in the United States are eligible for the president's proposal, and since deporting that large of a population back to their home countries is largely considered physically impractical, this solution is seen as the "best-case" solution to the immigration problem by many Americans.

Also embedded into the president's proposal are far reaching changes that are considered by many Americans to be "giving away the farm." The cost of absorbing millions of illegal immigrants all at once and the impact and precedent it could create for future illegal immigrations are believed by many other Americans to far outweigh the benefits of legitimizing these millions of immigrants.

The political, economic, and social impact of President Bush's initiatives will affect the United States for at least the remainder of the 21st Century.

The crisis of illegal immigration affects each and every American, and the longer the crisis goes unanswered, the worse it will become.

It is for this reason that the nation must now put their differences aside and work together for the combined good of all Americans, from all walks of life, and from all political and economic persuasions.

Current FR link reference on President Bush's Immigration Reform Initiative will be update on a regular basis.

President George W. Bush's speech on immigration delivered on Jan. 7, 2004 follows:


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To: applemac_g4
In all honesty, I can't vote for any Democrat. I very much oppose abortion on demand. I believe it is the murder of innocents, therefore, if I give my vote to a politician who supports murder I am a murderer myself.

I do believe that in years to come a new conservative party will come into existence -- one we can all support. I believe it will be a necessity since the Democrats and Republicans, as we now know them, will no longer exist.

Wait until election day, 2004 and see what misery Bush is dishing out for us at that time, and vote accordingly, I guess.

101 posted on 01/15/2004 7:11:22 AM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; ...
2004 Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO) is hereby drafted to run for President of the United States of America in 2004

To:  Congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO)

We the Citizens of the United States of America do hereby draft the Honorable Republican Congressman Tom Tancredo from Colorado to run for the Office of President of the United States of America.


Congressman Tancredo gives Citizens who are fed up with Illegal Immigration a true feeling of hope for the future. He understands the financial drain Illegal Immigration causes on the average hard-working American. He fights to close our borders, while other lawmakers grant amnesty and visas to lawbreakers. Therefore, the Undersigned do respectfully ask Congressman Tom Tancredo to run for President in 2004.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

102 posted on 01/15/2004 7:26:39 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; dagnabbit; ..
An Illegal Immigration Story

Vehicles speed wrong way on I-8

103 posted on 01/15/2004 7:41:38 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: HiJinx; keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; ...
Click to see other threads related to illegal aliens in America
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104 posted on 01/15/2004 8:26:24 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; dagnabbit; ..
THE BIGGEST VICTIMS OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT AMNESTY: THE BUSINESS LEADERS WHO SUPPORT IT

MEXICO REFUSES TO EXTRADITE SUSPECTED MURDERERS TO THE USA ( STOP THE SOVEREIGNTY SURRENDER )

Good Idea, Bad Plan. Immigration plan won't work. (by Fred Barnes)

105 posted on 01/15/2004 8:31:37 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: swampfox98
___________________SITUATION REPORT______________________

Twenty years ago a high school drop out could get a job in construction, trucking, or manufacturing, and still do pretty well for himself. Well enough to own a car and afford some type of housing, by the age of twenty.

One by one these jobs have been outsourced, or filled by a wage suppressing immigrant, lowering the expectation and living standard of many Americans. Such is not suppose to be the case. In raising the boat of third world nations we have sunk the boats of many average Americans. Meanwhile those that stick it out through college are finding their jobs outsourced and their options limited.

Why do you think so many people my age are enraged, we know what has happened, we know America is being stripmined, and youth who has never known anything else, raised in the fed propaganda camps, have no clue of how badly they have been robbed.

You are merely parroting the propaganda of the enemy like a good little public school student. There are not that many white collar jobs and in fact all jobs have been artificially manipulated out of the country, or by immigrants in country all due to deadly socialist government policies and freedom robbing Free Trade.

52 posted on 01/14/2004 5:15:38 AM PST by MissAmericanPie

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106 posted on 01/15/2004 8:55:00 AM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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Thanks to JUST PIPER

Illegal Worker Enforcement Is a Growing Challenge

Before opening the borders, seal up the wombs!

Illegal-alien smugglers caught in N. Dakota

Thanks to JUST PIPER


107 posted on 01/15/2004 10:42:50 AM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Thank you Sweetie!
108 posted on 01/15/2004 11:21:41 AM PST by JustPiper (Register Independent and Write-In Tancredo for March !!!!)
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To: B4Ranch
Why did you post this to me?
109 posted on 01/15/2004 12:06:29 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: swampfox98
Because you seem to be aware.

I do believe that in years to come a new conservative party will come into existence -- one we can all support. I believe it will be a necessity since the Democrats and Republicans, as we now know them, will no longer exist.

Wait until election day, 2004 and see what misery Bush is dishing out for us at that time, and vote accordingly, I guess.

110 posted on 01/15/2004 12:35:15 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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To: B4Ranch
Because you seem to be aware

Oh, OK. I may be aware, but I don't have much political clout. :-) In fact, not too many people around here like me very much. I got kicked off the Ohio Freepers, and I have become a pariah to Republicans everywhere. BooHoo, like I care.

111 posted on 01/15/2004 3:10:01 PM PST by swampfox98
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To: Happy2BMe
Rounding up 10 million illegal aliens at one time would be physically impossible. Shipping them back to Mexico (the vast majority) at one time would be physically impossible.

However, rounding them up when caught or reported and sending them back in batches would be relatively easy. Anybody on this forum could think of several ways to implement this without straining themselves.

If the "physically impossible" notion is malarkey, and it is, what else about the plan, that is not readily apparent, is also malarkey?

112 posted on 01/15/2004 3:30:16 PM PST by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; dagnabbit; ..
Senior U.S. Officials Hail Results of Monterrey Summit - Remittances total $32 billion a year

Thanks to GETGOING
114 posted on 01/15/2004 4:09:43 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: William Terrell
My plan says take what you have and leave or if we catch you, you'll go without anything but the clothes on your back!

"The National Population Council reported that 9.9 million Mexicans call America home and that more than 7.82 million of those - or 79 percent - do not have U.S. citizenship. It did not break down how many had legal residence papers."

"According to a RoperASW poll from last year, 83 percent of Americans support mandatory detention and forfeiture of property for illegal immigrants, followed by deportation."

I'm one of the 83%.

If the President Bush or Tom Ridge would announce that in six months they will be paying a $50 per head bounty for each illegal alien on American soil there would be a mad rush for the borders.

A policeman in a car costs the average city about $200 an hour. Helicopters cost at least $2000 an hour with the ground crews. What is the full cost of a teacher per hour? $140.00 or there about.

If we could get illegal aliens to turn each other in, just the ones trying to slip through the net, (I know thousands would attempt it) we would save billions in law enforcement, welfare programs, unemployment, medical care, job training and schools the first year.

Do all this under Executive Order and tell the Courts to back off. This is national security!

Any employer who has employed an illegal alien more than five months from the announcement date will be fined $5000 per employee. One month later enforcement begins. This will give employers 5 months to shed the illegals and hire legally papered actual American citizens.

Then on the announced date, start in a state such as Oklahoma. Well centered, not overly populated and clean the state out. This would give Homeland, INS and Border Patrol time to install their co-agents in various court houses around the country to verify a persons paperwork, i.e.. birth certificates, hospital records, etc.

Go state to state from the epicenter sweeping out the criminals who have successfully avoided suspicion. They already had 5 months to get out, hanging around to test the system carries a SEVERE penalty. They won't be able to say they weren't warned.

Divide a state into quadrants depending on population per square mile., First arrest those whose names were turn in for the bounty. Then others suspected by local law agencies. When arrests slow down, open an adjoining quadrant.

Get caught after the selected dated and the result would be every foreign national who is not in America legally would forfeit all their belongings (houses, cars, bank accounts, etc.) and be deported within 24 hours. These forfeited belongings would then be given to local churches for distribution to the needy in that community. Another cost saver!

This enforcement would apply to illegals from every country in the world, not just Mexico.

Imagine the number of Chinese who would be taking the ship home with everything in the house, new cars, you name it would be on those ships. The thousands of Canadians who decided the USA was better than Canada would be again headed North.

How many schools could be closed? How many hospitals and state paid housing tracts? How many welfare offices? How many planned jail enlargements could be stopped for lack of need?

How many state and federal employees would find out that they have the time to actually give good service to their American customers?

Oh yes, it would be an economic shocker in the amount of taxes that could be reduced or used to actually improve something needed for American citizens, instead of illegal foreigners.

Want an approximate number of the population drop? Try 50 million+ with the majority over 30 years of age, having been illegal residents of America for over ten years.

I've always wondered how many folks are on Medicare that don't deserve it. I'll bet that would save a big chuink of money that could be used for American war veterans and citizens health problems.

Just imagine the frantic squealing from our politicians thinking of the lost votes and contributions. That would be a sideshow worth watching!

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115 posted on 01/15/2004 4:33:28 PM PST by B4Ranch (Wave your flag, don't waive your rights!)
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Bush Gives Country Away

116 posted on 01/15/2004 5:27:41 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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25% of Pakistani Illegal Aliens Deported Themselves since 2001 - Facts against the Bush Amnesty


117 posted on 01/15/2004 6:06:45 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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Attention turns to Mexico's weak immigration policy - Mexico Is A Magnet For Migrants

118 posted on 01/15/2004 6:18:30 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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To: keri; international american; Kay Soze; jpsb; Capitalist Eric; hershey; TomInNJ; blam; dagnabbit; ..
Correct thread:

Attention turns to Mexico's weak immigration policy - Mexico A Magnet for Migrants

119 posted on 01/15/2004 6:21:03 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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Cong. Hayworth Stresses Need for Border Security in CWA Address

120 posted on 01/15/2004 6:48:55 PM PST by Happy2BMe (Liberty does not tolerate lawlessness and a borderless nation will not prevail.)
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