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Ex-Presidents, Johnson Widow Call for JFK Film Probe
AP via TBO ^ | February 2,2004 | Lynn Elber

Posted on 02/02/2004 6:20:27 PM PST by John W

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To: Ichneumon
black helicopters
151 posted on 02/03/2004 9:17:19 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: spodefly
It is most definitely an expert shot at a moving target.

The aimpoint alone tells me he didnt pull the trigger. He barely quals on timed stationary targets and someone [anyone] wants me to think he could lead a timed target [straight line or not], correct for trigger pull and the obvious lack of breathing discipline involved in using a bolt action rifle in an assasination attempt.

This guy is simply not a "shooter".

I dont quite understand how anyone competent with shooting a rifle could even debate the point. There are no pros in putting forward that Oswald was the operator. He simply cannot shoot. You cant take a guy off the street [basically what he was shooting wise] stick him in a tower and tell him to drop a moving target with three shots and no spotter...he will not be able to do it.

This guy has zero combat shooting experience on top of a Marksman badge but I am to believe that he can properly walk through BRASS F three times while using a bolt action rifle? His whole life is a monument to ADD & zero discipline.

Not passing the "smell elephant dung test".

152 posted on 02/03/2004 9:34:10 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: #3Fan; sinkspur
"Was the Henry Marshall "suicide" really a suicide? Explain how a guy commits suicide with a bolt-action rifle and shoots himself 5 times in the head with it."

Thank you for mentioning this. The reason they went to the grand jury about Marshall's death, is that he was a good man and his family was upset at the ruling of suicide. That is why the prosecutor accepted the testimony of Billy Sol Estes. They didn't want Marshall's family to go on forever with the hurt of the "suicide" ruling. It wasn't to get back at Johnson or anyone else. It was not possible for Marshall to have committed suicide, but yet the suicide ruling stood on the public record for almost 20 years.


153 posted on 02/03/2004 9:45:41 AM PST by hoosierpearl (One nation under God.)
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To: VaBthang4
Shooting paper targets is one thing, killing a human being, the President of the United States, blowing his brains all over his wife, not hitting either of the women or the driver for that matter, requires experience and skill that Oswald did not possess.
154 posted on 02/03/2004 9:47:05 AM PST by MAWG
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To: leadpenny
why the "Elites," .... come out of the woodwork when theories are presented to the masses on film or tape. You don't seem to hear from them when the same theories are published in book form.

The masses don't read books, nor do they come in contact on a regular basis with people who do read.

However, while sitting in front of the boob tube eight or ten hours a day, a few might click on the History channel and absorb a new idea. Why, they may even start to think for themselves.

155 posted on 02/03/2004 9:55:33 AM PST by Lucy Lake
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
The magic bullet theory is nonsense.

The only thing "nonsense" is the conspiracy-nut contention that the bullet had to be "magic". It did not, it was a straight-line shot through JFK and Connally, and the bullet came out far from "pristine", contrary to another false CN assertion.

156 posted on 02/03/2004 10:24:21 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: BigBobber
And the exit wound from the bullet that went through the windshield and entered Kennedy's throat is...where?

Not every bullet has to have an exit wound. When you look at the evidence, the bullet in the back didn't exit, the "bullet" in the throat didn't exit. The only bullet that went through was the bullet to the temple and the bullet that hit Connally.

157 posted on 02/03/2004 10:28:38 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: MAWG
Shooting paper targets is one thing, killing a human being, the President of the United States, blowing his brains all over his wife, not hitting either of the women or the driver for that matter, requires experience and skill that Oswald did not possess.

Note the conspiracy-theorist "sleight of hand" going on here...

MAWG tries to make a case that the shots were done with "experience and skill" because the shooter managed to hit JFK while being "good" enough to miss "either of the women or the driver for that matter". Man, what skill, what finesse, what precision shooting -- he hit his target without touching a hair on anyone else's head.

Well, EXCEPT FOR GOVERNOR CONNALLY, WHO WAS SHOT THROUGH THE CHEST AND CAME CLOSE TO DYING, that is.

Funny how he sort of "forgets" to mention that little detail in his tale of heroic precision shooting, which spared everyone (oops, make that *almost* everyone) else in the car...

The only question is whether MAWG thinks we're stupid enough to not notice that little flaw in his description, or whether he's so enamored of his conspiracy "proof" that he didn't even realize it himself.

158 posted on 02/03/2004 10:31:36 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: BigBobber
Feel free to use the figure in Post 4 for your explanation. I'm dying to find out how the entrance wound to the throat came in from high in the sky.

Take a look at what the CIA was purchasing from the Army in the few years leading up to 1963. They made 3 orders for these things if I'm not mistaken to use against guard dogs.

159 posted on 02/03/2004 10:37:16 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: VaBthang4
The way the road angles down to go under the railway overpass meant that the direction of travel was straight away from the shooters position, so there was no leading involved, nor elevation changes relative to the shooters position at the time of the head shot. And the distance was maybe 150 meters at that point with a scoped rifle. Not a tough shot, as far as I can see.

Tale a look at these graphics for details:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/plazao.jpg
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/tague4.gif

BTW, I have no real interest in the conspiracy aspects of this subject. The marksmanship aspects don't seem to make it an impossible shot, not even too difficult really. Though, as you say, Oswald was a cretin, and people like that tend to flake at critical times.
160 posted on 02/03/2004 10:37:26 AM PST by spodefly (This is my tagline. There are many like it, but this one is mine.)
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To: Polybius
You're looking at pictures of Tippit's skull. The earlier photo on this thread was of a group of photos that are of Tippit. That's why Tippit was killed, he had the same facial structure as Kennedy and when trimmed up looked a lot like Kennedy. The only problem was that Tippit had earlobes, Kennedy didn't.
161 posted on 02/03/2004 10:41:49 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: BigBobber
Face it, you're on the same team as a bunch of Castro-loving Hollyweidos and other assorted lefties. Their goal is to cover up for their little commie hitman - Oswald - and pin the blame on Republicans.

Earth to Bobber, Johnson was a tax and spend liberal Democrat.

162 posted on 02/03/2004 10:43:45 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: jordan8
Lyndon B. Johnson was not involved in the JFK assassination. He was, however, the most destructive politician this country has ever produced. His grave should be dug up, the coffin should be opened, and used as an outdoor toilet.

Here, here! Immediately after we roll FDR down the wheelchair-access ramp to the gates of Hell.

163 posted on 02/03/2004 10:44:43 AM PST by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
......."Lunatic Fringe"

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

.......making a comment deriding the 'single bullet theory'....

Hahahahahahahahahahah!

164 posted on 02/03/2004 10:45:14 AM PST by DoctorMichael (Thats my story, and I'm sticking to it.)
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To: Ichneumon
No, there was not.

Yes there was. A Ford glass specialist confirmed that the windshield was immediately changed.

165 posted on 02/03/2004 10:47:04 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Rummyfan
I thought Arlen Spector was also involved with the Warren Commission report?

He was a lawyer on the staff of the Commission, but not a member of the Warren Commission itself.

166 posted on 02/03/2004 10:47:38 AM PST by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Ichneumon
After watching both the Zapruder film and the reactions of the players along with the direction of Kennedy's head immediately following the fatal hit there's no way I can believe there was only one shooter.

And I'm not sold on the "jet effect" explanation either.

That doesn't even take into account the fact Oswald was a shady character who had federal and foreign connections, some of whom may have had reasons for wanting Kennedy dead.

There's too many coincidences and contradictions to accept him as the lone assassin.

167 posted on 02/03/2004 10:56:07 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: #3Fan
Yes there was. A Ford glass specialist confirmed that the windshield was immediately changed.

Oh yes. Of course. I forgot about the army of conspiracists who were swarming over every piece of evidence, "cleaning up" everything before they could actually be examined, unseen by anyone.

Silly me.

168 posted on 02/03/2004 10:58:09 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: #3Fan
You're looking at pictures of Tippit's skull. The earlier photo on this thread was of a group of photos that are of Tippit. That's why Tippit was killed, he had the same facial structure as Kennedy and when trimmed up looked a lot like Kennedy. The only problem was that Tippit had earlobes, Kennedy didn't.

Oooooookay.....

169 posted on 02/03/2004 10:59:01 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
First, I'm not a conspiracy theorist. You're the one who sounds paranoid.

Second, Connally was in the line of fire and as he and Nellie both said, hit by a different bullet than the one that hit Kennedy in the back. Their testimony is credible to me. My point was that a professional shooter takes pride in his work, one shot one kill. He would not want to harm women. This was no John Hinkley emptying his pistol and hoping to get lucky. Connally was hit when Kennedy leaned to the left.

Unlike you, I have no political axe to grind. I look at it like any other murder case. Personally, I wish Teddy had been in the jump seat that day instead of Connally.

170 posted on 02/03/2004 10:59:39 AM PST by MAWG
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To: Taliesan
It is a species of insanity. For years I've said that many people, some even apparently "rational" people, draw the conclusions they want to draw, and the real key to understanding such a person is to find out what he WANTS TO BE TRUE. These people don't want the simplest explanation (Oswald shot him.) to be true. Do you understand? THEY DON'T WANT IT TO BE TRUE.

Insiders have a different story that the government, simple as that. The Zapruder shows three shots hitting Kennedy at once. Eyewitnesses say Oswald was at the theater when Tippet was killed. Kennedy didn't have earlobes, many of the autopsy photos show a man with earlobes. Doctors say Kennedy was shot in the front with a large exit wound to the back. Eyewitnesses say there was a hole in the windshield. A Ford engineer says the windshield was replaced immediately. Brain debris was thrown backward, not forward. Eyewitnesses say a loud shot came from the knoll. Doctors at Parkland say the back wound only went in two inches. Eyewitnesses at Tippet's murder say it was a bigger guy than Oswald that did it and his clothes didn't match what Oswald was wearing at the theater. A police car was seen honking outside of Oswald's house right before Tippet's murder. Thread patterns on the magic bullet don't match Kennedy's shirt or jacket...I could go on.

That's just too many anomalies for the government's story to be true.

171 posted on 02/03/2004 11:00:47 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
That's all fiction.
172 posted on 02/03/2004 11:03:38 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: BigBobber
If there was a government coverup, they would have destroyed evidence, not faked it.

They did!

The Zapruder film would have disappeared.

Parts of it did disappear. Frames have been removed if I'm not mistaken. They say they screwed up in developing it. Yeah right, the most important film of our time and they screw up?

The autopsy records would have disappeared.

The whole point of killing Tippet was to fake an autopsy.

The magic bullet would have disappeared.

The bullet was planted to show it was Oswald's rifle. Kennedy was actually shot from behind by a 7.5.

173 posted on 02/03/2004 11:07:40 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Taliesan
" That's all fiction "

No, it isn't. I've read all of it and more. You cant dismiss it because it doesn't support your theory.

174 posted on 02/03/2004 11:08:10 AM PST by MAWG
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To: The Duke
It is time to release all the secret files regarding the Kennedy death.
175 posted on 02/03/2004 11:09:04 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: oldironsides
It is way past time to do that. RFK himself, low-life scumbag that he was, told those closest to him that when he got elected in 1968, he was gonna reopen the case. And make no mistake about it, he would have been elected in 1968.
176 posted on 02/03/2004 11:12:16 AM PST by MAWG
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To: hoosierpearl
Thank you for mentioning this. The reason they went to the grand jury about Marshall's death, is that he was a good man and his family was upset at the ruling of suicide. That is why the prosecutor accepted the testimony of Billy Sol Estes. They didn't want Marshall's family to go on forever with the hurt of the "suicide" ruling. It wasn't to get back at Johnson or anyone else. It was not possible for Marshall to have committed suicide, but yet the suicide ruling stood on the public record for almost 20 years.

Marshall was murdered while pursuing Johnson for defrauding the ag markets.

177 posted on 02/03/2004 11:12:23 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
The only thing "nonsense" is the conspiracy-nut contention that the bullet had to be "magic". It did not, it was a straight-line shot through JFK and Connally, and the bullet came out far from "pristine", contrary to another false CN assertion.

How can a bullet enter the back at a 45 degree downward angle and exit farther up at the throat?

178 posted on 02/03/2004 11:13:58 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
Not every bullet has to have an exit wound. When you look at the evidence, the bullet in the back didn't exit, the "bullet" in the throat didn't exit.

Fascinating. Then why didn't they show up on the neck X-rays?

Oh, right, they must have been those "invisible-to-X-rays" bullets that were so common in 1963. And the shooters (plural) who made those shots chose to use these magic bullets (!) while the other shooter(s) (that's 3+ so far) used ordinary metallic bullets because... um... they liked variety?

Oh, wait, I know -- because despite the fact that the conspiracy theorists all claim that even hitting a "moving target" at all was somehow an "impossible" shot, you'll have us believe that the "additional" gunmen were such perfect shots that they *knew for certain* that they could make shots on a moving target so precisely that they could put them into JFK's neck from two different angles so perfectly that they could create the illusion of a single in-and-out pass-through shot, thus "hiding" their handiwork, because they knew for certain that the doctors weren't going to probe the neck wound too thoroughly *and* that the magic un-X-rayable bullets would have no chance of passing through the neck and spoiling the illusion. What a perfect plan!

Do you guys even *listen* to yourselves?

Oops, wait, they found metallic bullet fragments in the neck wound after all:

EXAMINATION OF X-RAY FILMS

[...]

Films #8, 9 and 10 allowed visualization of the lower neck. Subcutaneous emphysema is present just to the right of the cervical spine immediately above the apex of the right lung. Also, several, small metallic fragments are present in this region. There is no evidence of fracture of either scapula or of the clavicles, or of the ribs or of any of the cervical and thoracic vertebrae.

The foregoing observations indicate that the pathway of the projectile involving the neck was confined to a region to the right of the spine and superior to a plane passing through the upper margin of the right scapula, the apex of the right lung and the right clavicle.

-- from the 1968 Panel Review of Photographs, X-Ray Films, Documents and Other Evidence Pertaining to the Fatal Wounding of President John E Kennedy on November 22, 1963, in Dallas, Texas

The four physicians on the panel were:

1) Carnes, William H., MD, Professor of Pathology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City, UT, Member of Medical Examiner's Commission, State of Utah, nominated by Dr. J. E. Wallace Sterling, President of Stanford University.

2) Fisher, Russell S., MD, Professor of Forensic Pathology, University of Maryland and Chief Medical Examiner of the State of Maryland, Baltimore, MD, nominated by Dr. Oscar B. Hunter, Jr., President of the College of American Pathologists.

3) Morgan, Russell H., MD, Professor of Radiology, School of Medicine and Professor of Radiological Sciences, School of Hygiene and Public Health, The Johns Hopkins University, Baltimore, MD, nominated by Dr. Lincoln Gordon, President of The Johns Hopkins University.

4) Mortiz, Alan R., MD, Professor of Pathology, Case Western Reserve University, Cleveland, OH and former Professor of Forensic Medicine, Harvard University, nominated by Dr. John A. Hannah, President of Michigan State University.


179 posted on 02/03/2004 11:15:32 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
Oh yes. Of course. I forgot about the army of conspiracists who were swarming over every piece of evidence, "cleaning up" everything before they could actually be examined, unseen by anyone.

When the murderers are in the government in the positions they are in (Johnson, Hoover), they can easily manipulate the evidence.

180 posted on 02/03/2004 11:18:36 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
Oooooookay.....

Then explain to me why the corpse in the autopsy photos had earlobes while Kennedy didn't.

181 posted on 02/03/2004 11:19:48 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Taliesan
That's all fiction.

So according to you, in any group of Americans, 95% will be liars and their testimoney cannot be used as evidence.

182 posted on 02/03/2004 11:22:11 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon

183 posted on 02/03/2004 11:27:53 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: #3Fan
How can a bullet enter the back at a 45 degree downward angle and exit farther up at the throat?

It can't, but since it didn't, no problem.

Back (entry) wound:

Neck (exit) wound:

Quite clearly about a 45-degree *downward* angle -- the front neck wound is considerably lower than the back wound, *and* the back wound is obviously an entry wound, the neck wound is obviously an exit wound. But don't just take my word for it, they were noted as such by the doctors at the time.

The location and direction of the neck wound is further supported by the holes in JFK's shirt, which has two holes (due to the overlapping fabric when the shirt was buttoned) in the same location and with fabric pulled *outward*:

No, wait, I know! The conspiracy gnomes swapped the bloody shirt, patched up the "real" holes in the body, poked new ones in the "fake" locations, paid off the doctors and pathologists, *and* swapped out all the photographs and written notes!!!!

184 posted on 02/03/2004 11:31:10 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Shooter 2.5
I was wondering when you'd show up shooter. Dont think it'll get solved today either.
185 posted on 02/03/2004 11:31:28 AM PST by MAWG
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To: Shooter 2.5
Hilarious!!! Thanks. That's right up there with the great "Onion" parody newspaper front page that bears the headline, "KENNEDY SLAIN BY CIA, MAFIA, CASTRO, LBJ, TEAMSTERS, FREEMASONS: President Shot 129 Times From 43 Different Angles", indicating the amazing proliferation of conspiracy theories (each of which claims to be "the" true story).
186 posted on 02/03/2004 11:34:16 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
So Ichy, have you listened to the Milteer tape?
187 posted on 02/03/2004 11:34:22 AM PST by MAWG
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To: Ichneumon
Fascinating. Then why didn't they show up on the neck X-rays?

Take a look at what the CIA was purchasing from the Army to use against guard dogs. They had made 3 orders for them by November 1963 if I'm not mistaken.

Oh, right, they must have been those "invisible-to-X-rays" bullets that were so common in 1963. And the shooters (plural) who made those shots chose to use these magic bullets (!) while the other shooter(s) (that's 3+ so far) used ordinary metallic bullets because... um... they liked variety?

Again, look at the evidence. Think about what the CIA had.

Oh, wait, I know -- because despite the fact that the conspiracy theorists all claim that even hitting a "moving target" at all was somehow an "impossible" shot, you'll have us believe that the "additional" gunmen were such perfect shots that they *knew for certain* that they could make shots on a moving target so precisely that they could put them into JFK's neck from two different angles so perfectly that they could create the illusion of a single in-and-out pass-through shot, thus "hiding" their handiwork, because they knew for certain that the doctors weren't going to probe the neck wound too thoroughly *and* that the magic un-X-rayable bullets would have no chance of passing through the neck and spoiling the illusion. What a perfect plan!

It didn't take a perfect plan and it didn't go off perfectly. That's why they needed Tippit. If it didn't go off perfectly, they would have to fake an autopsy. Kennedy was hit in the throat from close range by a weapon developed by the Army. A shooter from behind failed to kill Kennedy making it necessary to ambush him in front of the knoll by the rest of the shooters. He was shot three times in front of the knoll. A rear shooter hit him in the back of the head a split second before the other two shots struck him. A .45 hit him from the knoll and striking thick bone near the ear went straight up into the air. It's path can be seen on the Zapruder film. The fatal head shot came from the front. It may be the one that made the bullet hole in the windshield.

Do you guys even *listen* to yourselves? Oops, wait, they found metallic bullet fragments in the neck wound after all:

Like going to the Clinton library to prove Clinton didn't commit treason.

188 posted on 02/03/2004 11:37:18 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
He was shot in the back. 45 degrees down would be the stomach.

Look at the middle picture. That corpse has earlobes. Explain that to me since Kennedy did not have earlobes.

189 posted on 02/03/2004 11:40:34 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: spodefly
Hahaha....

The shooter was supposedly six stories up. The moving vehicle the President was in was at ground level and most definitely moving forward.

Unless the shooter was both directly behind as well as on a flat plain with the target it is by default a moving target requiring a lead. No amount of endless discussion can overrule that reality.

Nevertheless, the shoot could be pristine and I still dont see a Marksman's score putting a round center mass much less making a head shot from 150 whatevers out.

He is supposedly assasinating the President. It is inherent that his heart rate will be higher than normal. He has no spotter to mark his shots.

He doesnt drop the president with the first, his heart rate spikes.
He must lose the target as a result of chambering another round.
He must reaquire the target, lead and reinitialize his breathing discipline.
He must use proper trigger pull and squeeze off a second round.
He doesnt drop the president with the second shot, his heart rate spikes a second time and the anxiety rises considerably knowing that A. He is running out of time and B. He is a poor shot.
He must lose the target again as a result of chambering a third round.
He must reaquire the target, lead a second time [unsure of his first aimpoint and the location of the first impact] and reinitialize his breathing discipline.
He must use proper trigger pull and squeeze off a third round.
Again he has no spotter to call his shots therefore he has no idea where his rounds are impacting and as a result, cannot make the correct aimpoint corrections and proper leads with any signigant amount of confidence.

Anything in life is possible theoretically but 'real' shooters dont float their identity on anything like this scenario. No disrespect intended but if you are indeed an Expert [Marine Corps] shooter you'd know this.

BTW: What MCRD did you attend? What was your score?


190 posted on 02/03/2004 11:44:48 AM PST by VaBthang4 (-He who watches over Israel neither slumbers nor sleeps-)
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To: #3Fan
Then explain to me why the corpse in the autopsy photos had earlobes while Kennedy didn't.

Now you're just getting silly.

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe:

Earlobe (warning, graphic autopsy image)

Oh look, earlobes everywhere. And the same ones in each -- JFK had freaky droopy-looking earlobes. The rest of the ear structure is clearly the same too.

191 posted on 02/03/2004 11:46:02 AM PST by Ichneumon
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To: #3Fan
Against my better judgement I am going to answer just once. For example, I'm sure there are a dozen people who were in the street when Reagen was shot who will swear till the day they die there was a second shooter, three who heard a dozen shots, and there will be one who will swear he saw Colonel Mustard with a candlestick.

Everybody knows this.

Which it means it is absolutely irrelevant that a small percentage of the witnesses thought a shot or shots came from the grassy knoll. It would be a surprise if they did not. It is absolutely irrelevant if one or two doctor among dozens described the wounds differently. You would expect it. It means nothing.

Now the lunacy begins.

192 posted on 02/03/2004 11:49:25 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Ichneumon
Your pictures prove that JFK's ears go straight into his head. That corpse has earlobes. You're denying what's obvious. lol
193 posted on 02/03/2004 11:52:37 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Ichneumon
You faked the earlobes onto those pictures with Photoshop. Admit it.
194 posted on 02/03/2004 11:53:21 AM PST by Taliesan
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To: Taliesan
Against my better judgement I am going to answer just once. For example, I'm sure there are a dozen people who were in the street when Reagen was shot who will swear till the day they die there was a second shooter, three who heard a dozen shots, and there will be one who will swear he saw Colonel Mustard with a candlestick. Everybody knows this.

Where are they?

Which it means it is absolutely irrelevant that a small percentage of the witnesses thought a shot or shots came from the grassy knoll. It would be a surprise if they did not. It is absolutely irrelevant if one or two doctor among dozens described the wounds differently. You would expect it. It means nothing. Now the lunacy begins.

For the magic bullet to be correct, everyone has to be a liar. The Dealy Plaza witnesses, the Tippet murder witnesses, The Ford glass specialist, the theater worker, the reporters at Parkland, the doctors at Parkland, Connally and his wife. All these people are liars?

195 posted on 02/03/2004 11:56:44 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: Taliesan
You faked the earlobes onto those pictures with Photoshop. Admit it.

What earlobes? Those pictures show no earlobes.

196 posted on 02/03/2004 11:58:01 AM PST by #3Fan
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To: #3Fan
A few people at Dealey were wrong. Most turned toward the TSBD. A few doctors at Parkland remember incorrectly. Most agree otherwise. Mrs. Connally is no better witness than anyone else at Dealey. Gov. Connally conceded to Gerald Posner that Posner's recitation of the number and sequence of shots was plausable. And so on.

Most Americans think Oswald didn't act alone because they've seen Oliver Stone's movie and if it is in a movie it must be true. And they don't want to think a single wacko could shoot the President.

Most black people in LA think OJ is innocent. But he's not.

197 posted on 02/03/2004 12:06:41 PM PST by Taliesan
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To: #3Fan
Those pictures show the same style of earlobe as the autopsy photo shows.

You don't want to see them, so you don't. It's really that simple.

198 posted on 02/03/2004 12:08:16 PM PST by Taliesan
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To: #3Fan
Your pictures prove that JFK's ears go straight into his head. That corpse has earlobes. You're denying what's obvious. lol

Uh huh...

Check out the autopsy photo I provided as a link -- it clearly shows an attached earlobe. QED.

As for the other one, it obviously has blood in the crease between the earlobe and head (as well as elsewhere in and around the ear), only giving an impression of unattachment, but clearly is not if you look at it, you know, objectively. Furthermore the shape and convolution of the ear as a whole (including the distinctive "droopy" shape of the earlobe) is clearly JFK's, so I don't know why you're obsessing about earlobes.


199 posted on 02/03/2004 12:09:30 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: MAWG
So Ichy, have you listened to the Milteer tape?

Listened to, no, but I've read the unabridged transcript, which is a lot less interesting than the CT's would have you believe. Details.

Oooh. Ahh. A guy speculated about JFK getting shot from a building. ...in Washington in warm weather maybe by his friend Jack Brown if he ever got a good opportunity, who claimed he tried to shoot MLK, after figuring out which one of JFK's "fifteen doubles" is the real one...

Yeah, baby, there's a guy right in the middle of the conspiracy. Interestingly enough, he says that the way to actually kill JFK would be "from an office building with a high-powered rifle". Hold on, isn't that exactly how the conspiracy folks say JFK *wasn't* actually killed?

Or was he part of the cover story? These conspiracies get *so* convoluted...

200 posted on 02/03/2004 12:15:46 PM PST by Ichneumon
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