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Free Republic makes the cover of Spiegel Online
Der Spiegel Online ^

Posted on 03/08/2004 1:59:46 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin

You need to click "Abstimmen"

Votes sind eine feine Sache, die Butter auf dem Nachrichtenbrot. Sie geben dem Online-Medienmacher ein Feedback,wie der Leser eine Sache sieht. Fast 60 Prozent der Leser von SPIEGEL ONLINE halten George W. Bush beispielsweise für einen Top-Präsidenten. Wir wissen auch, warum. Von Frank Patalong ...


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Free Republic made the cover of Spiegel. Any translators out there? And how do you say FReeped in German?
1 posted on 03/08/2004 1:59:47 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
You mean THIS?
2 posted on 03/08/2004 2:01:35 PM PST by anniegetyourgun (Bush-Cheney '04)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Join us here and enjoy! :)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1093324/posts

3 posted on 03/08/2004 2:01:47 PM PST by TheBigB (Going partly violently to the thing 24/7!)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
I've looked over the link to the cover several times and fail to see any mention of FR.

?
4 posted on 03/08/2004 2:03:41 PM PST by EggsAckley (..................IGNORE the trolls...................it drives them crazy)
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To: EggsAckley
Click on Netzwelt.
5 posted on 03/08/2004 2:08:52 PM PST by RightWhale (Theorems link concepts; proofs establish links)
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To: EggsAckley
go here

http://www.spiegel.de/

and scroll down the page
6 posted on 03/08/2004 2:12:47 PM PST by ahadams2 (Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
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To: EggsAckley
The link takes you to the wrong page, click on "Netzwelt" on the left side of the page and you'll find it.
8 posted on 03/08/2004 2:19:05 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: ahadams2
VOTE bungler

To You need to click "Tune"

Votes are a fine thing, the butter on the news bread. They give to the on-line media doer a feedback how the reader sees a thing. Nearly 60 percent of the readers of SPIEGEL ONLINE hold George W. Bush, for instance, for a top president. We also know, why. From Frank Patalong more...


Bush's knife: the cowboy attacks Mr. Flip-Flop

Terror investigations: Kerry reproaches with Bush mistake
9 posted on 03/08/2004 2:25:10 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: EggsAckley
Sorry about that. I don't know how the wrong link was picked up.
10 posted on 03/08/2004 2:32:32 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin
To You need to click "Tune"

From Frank Patalong

Votes are a fine thing, the butter on the news bread. They give to the on-line media doer a feedback how the reader sees a thing. Nearly 60 percent of the readers of SPIEGEL ONLINE hold George W. Bush, for instance, for a top president. We also know, why.



From the instructions for the forgery of SPIEGEL ONLINE Votes: "You need to cklick" voting! ' "
The widow Vivian Freep from Midland (Texas) is " George Bush biggest supporter ".

Nicely for Bush, the European imagines there, however, in an American of conservative credo the rage climbs up equally. A cheek is this which no more wants to say and no less than follower: Bush's success is based on the help of people who manipulate, interfere, fake.

Since "Freeping" is a slang expression. He means night sticking of election posters, the organization of noisy counterdemoes, the specific sturgeons of appearances of political opponents and - not least - the plentiful falsification of votes in the Internet.

The strange concept came into being end of the nineties and goes back on the web page "Free Republic" of the ultraconservative activist Jim Robinson. "Freep", as the web page by fans was called quick, gets on as a " conservative news forum ". Principal item of the offer is the discussion forum in which it goes partly violently to the thing.

The conservative click Gürilla

Free Republic began as a Clinton Hasser page, however, developed fast. The "Freep-Movement" harvested the first laurels when the side began to appeal in various elections for the "support" of conservative nominees.

Namely quite specifically: It was a matter of disturbing rallies of the democrats, of tearing off posters or of falsifying, of supporting opponent actively. Already when himself Bill Clinton with an office exclusion procedure saw confronted, to organized Freep groups in different US towns "info arrangements" and switched newspaper announcements. The concept "Freeping" came into being and meant: Drown the opponent

Vote manipulation with SPIEGEL ONLINE

In it nothing has changed. Last week SPIEGEL ONLINE was given the attention of the "Freeper", more exactly: a vote, a Vote in the subjects parcel to the starting US-presidency election campaign (see below).

" For three years ", we asked our readers, " George W. Bush is the mightiest man of the United States - and the world. How do you judge his present term of office (in school notes)? "

The result of the popular vote with over 38,000 delivered voices up to now could prove two things:
Germans are not at all in such a way a "sceptical of Bush", as often maintained;
the power of the "Freeper".

Since they appeal since the 5th March for it, the Vote with " Germany's left left wing SPIEGEL ONLINE " " to freepen ". The actually special one at the fact is that the forum member who did the suggestion is by all means no American conservative: David Kaspar pursues the web log " Davids media criticism ", a forum for " politically incorrect considerations for the reporting in German media ".

SPIEGEL ONLINE is not responsibly for the contents of external Internet pages.

With Kaspar this signifies: with vehement Bush's friendliness against the supposed prepossession of the German media. From the media expert Kaspar the evaluation of SPIEGEL also comes as "left-left", as ultralinks - all one question of the perspective.

Literally one says in his with Free republic returned call: " Bush Needs Your Help! " And farther: " Up to the 5th March, 13 o'clock Berlin time Bush's results are quite rotten. Only 3.3 percent voted for '1 and 1.47 percent for '2' ".

Luckily the call with Free Republic finds immediately friendly admission: within less hours the "Freepern" manage to tilt the vote. David Kaspar on the 5th March, 22 o'clock " Berlin time ": " Bush's results are excellent. 41.23 percent for "1" (= Bush has mastered his task as a president splendidly). Thank you very much! your people make this fantastic! Bush Hasser with SPIEGEL ONLINE get a cardiac infarction early tomorrow... Continues thus! "

Vote manipulations: the masses did it

Two days later, announces Kaspar, the result is "official: " SPIEGEL ONLINE With Large pro-Bush user cousin ". Ecstatically Kaspar returns an imaginary interview with an imaginary SPIEGEL ONLINE editor in his announcement more than " 59 percent Einsen ": Therefore, the Vote has shown SPIEGEL that his whole "adjustment" was wrong. Now the editorial staff Rat looks with her media advisers as the " future course " should look.

Literally one says in the imaginative interview: " ' now concerning the Idiologie everything is open ', said the spring, ' It could even be that we support now Bush's reelection. Kerry is so or so a frankfurter. ' "

So that the nice pressure does not decrease, he repeats his calls to the Vote manipulation now in the day tactfulness: " You could bring light in our miserable life, while you take part in this small survey. As a side effect they injure the feelings of some German Bush Hasser. "

Within less days the call spreads to the Vote manipulation like a brush fire. He is carried by a strong, up to now a little perceived conservative Blogger scene. Thus "Little Green Footballs" appeals to his audience: " Help to do the German left in the insanity. "

" Freep this Poll! "

However, the masses come about Free Republic. The website confesses for a long time openly to it, with enthusiasm " to freepen ". An inquiry with headword "Freep" about the searching mask of the side revealed how many honorary enthusiasm Free Republic is able to release: in the morning 8th March Free Republic announces the appointment list of John Kerry and calls on Freeper to appear with a digital camera on site to do "more realistic" pictures of the appearance.

Also for actions against other "Democrats" is called, above all, however, over and over again for the manipulation of on-line votes: " Freep this Poll! ".

The purposes of the calls: votes to the gay's marriage (56 percent against it). Also votes to the question whether the "9/11" - electoral advertisements of George Bush are tastelessly or not bring clear results: sometimes there are 78 percent which can find this not at all, sometimes 85 percent - even with CNN are it another 72.

Masses ordinarily protect against Vote manipulations. The big web pages protect her votes with Cookies which should make laborious repeated choosing at least: between two votes the Cookies must be extinguished every time. Otherwise stands for the dependability of a Votes only the number of the readers who take part in it. An imperfect protection, however, with the Votes in which several thousand of people take part becomes the manipulation at least the torture.

Freeper: on the way to the Mainstream?

The Freeper, nevertheless, show that they can oppose any time own masses to the masses of "normal" web page visitors: from SPIEGEL ONLINE through CNN and "Times", various TV stations up to Australia MSN and of course countless smaller newspapers nobody more gets in the web an honest Vote there if the Freeper are on the way.

They manipulate themselves the most trivial votes: last week it was important to them to document the influence of her land by the fact that they manipulated the vote of a South-African website about whether ex-president Jean-Bertrand Aristide Haiti has left voluntarily here that 68 percent with einemmal of the opinion were, the USA would have pushed out him.

In a vote about the greenhouse effect meant 86.5 percent which exists either not at all, or is completely natural. On the 2nd March Free Republic for it, a vote in elementary schools in the Staate called New York " to freepen " because up to this time the majority of the basic pupils showed "democratic" electoral trends.

Only to the big American newspapers Free Republic no more dares near: Already in 1998 had brought " Los Angeles Times " and the "Washington Post" Free Republic because of copyright injuries before court. Only in June, 2002 operator of "Freep" Jim Robinson succeeded to reach an arrangement extrajudicial which ran out to a waiver: In future may be quoted on his web page neither from the plaintiff's newspapers nor from media linked with them.

The "Freep-Movement" which inserted a longer popularity break after the failure of the dismissal procedure against Clinton has not damaged this: At the latest since catastrophic 11th September and the radicalization initiated thereby in the political discourse of the USA "Freep" is stronger than ever before. The movement looks for ways in the Mainstream: since the gulf war "Freeps" are also involved as quite normal demonstrators in the good thing - for Bush and in the war. Now with John Armor, announced Free Republic on the 2nd September, 2003, "one of our very own" tries to be chosen first in the US congress. Armor would do his forum Nomen the omen: Up to now he appeared there only as "Congressman BillyBob".

11 posted on 03/08/2004 2:33:19 PM PST by finnman69 (cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestus globus, inflammare animos)
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To: finnman69
I wonder if they'll update their article with the swing back to anti-Bush, no doubt promoted much the same way. (Although it's just as likely European lefties are doing this, rather than lefty blogs.)

Free Republic == Freie Republik

So, they've been freiped. (sounds like friped)
12 posted on 03/08/2004 2:44:31 PM PST by Otto Krueger
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To: finnman69
Thank you for all your work.
13 posted on 03/08/2004 2:52:57 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
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To: DeaconBenjamin; finnman69; Congressman Billybob
Die Bewegung sucht nach Wegen in den Mainstream: Seit dem Golfkrieg engagieren sich "Freeps" auch als ganz normale Demonstranten für die gute Sache - für Bush und für den Krieg. Mit John Armor, meldete Free Republic am 2. September 2003, versuche nun erstmals "one of our very own" in den US-Kongress gewählt zu werden. Armor würde sein Forums-Nomen zum Omen machen: Bisher trat er da nur als "Congressman BillyBob" auf.

We want answers, Cong. Billy Bob, and ve haf vays uf machen zu sprecken!

14 posted on 03/08/2004 3:01:01 PM PST by leadpenny
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To: Otto Krueger
I wonder if they'll update their article with the swing back to anti-Bush, no doubt promoted much the same way. (Although it's just as likely European lefties are doing this, rather than lefty blogs.)

Of course, the poll is only manipulated if it doesn't yield the result you wanted.
So if some leftists had DUped the poll (let's say 80% for '6') I highly doubt they would have written an article in which they complain about this fact.

But why am I not surprised...

15 posted on 03/08/2004 3:04:14 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: longjack
You might find this interesting ;)
16 posted on 03/08/2004 3:05:32 PM PST by BMCDA
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To: Jim Robinson
Yo, Jim ... this you?

"The strange concept came into being end of the nineties and goes back on the web page "Free Republic" of the ultraconservative activist Jim Robinson. "Freep", as the web page by fans was called quick, gets on as a " conservative news forum ". Principal item of the offer is the discussion forum in which it goes partly violently to the thing."

Got a question for you, bro ....

How and when do we get to go partly violently to the thing?

17 posted on 03/08/2004 3:22:02 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: All
FREEPER CHALLENGE

Read the bablefish translation above ... go to any F'n Kerry site ...

Note the simularity in syntax, continuity, grammatical structure and logic.

Kinda' like playin' Pac Man for an hour and then trying to read a book.

(Do video games influence kids? No, they just screw up their ability to focus on the printed word)

18 posted on 03/08/2004 3:28:12 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Basically the whole artcile is a rant about how folks at FR "Freep" polls and slant the results to something other than what they might have otherwise expected, even in Germany.

Hehehehe

Jeff

19 posted on 03/08/2004 3:41:00 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: knarf
See my post 19. I read and speak German.
20 posted on 03/08/2004 3:41:58 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Thanx.

Is

" .. slant the results to something other than what they might have otherwise expected, even in Germany."

What

" .. Principal item of the offer is the discussion forum in which it goes partly violently to the thing."

Means?

21 posted on 03/08/2004 4:05:11 PM PST by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: BMCDA
'"
Großbildansicht
"Free Republic": Stören, manipulieren, demonstrieren für die rechte Sache

"Free Republic": Disrupt, manipulate, demonstrate for the right issues

Link here:

"Spiegel Online...."You need to click "Abstimmen"

Image above is halfway down. If you click on it there is a brief sideshow that shows FR's homepage.

The whole article seems to be about FR freeping this poll. I'll look at it more closely now.

longjack

22 posted on 03/08/2004 4:08:52 PM PST by longjack
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To: finnman69
Ach! Das ist schade (too bad).

I wish they would have included my line about "making the German cowards cry."

Schade.
23 posted on 03/08/2004 4:16:01 PM PST by rogueleader
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To: longjack
See my post 19. That's exactly what the article is all about.

But, you know what they say...any publicity is good publicity. A bunch of people will be checking FR out now and some percent of those will cut through all the lib propaganda and see the good.

24 posted on 03/08/2004 4:16:18 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: knarf
I don't know what they used for that translation...probably some online thing.

But in essence, with my one paragraph summary, that is what they are saying.

25 posted on 03/08/2004 4:17:24 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Congressman Billybob
Mit John Armor, meldete Free Republic am 2. September 2003, versuche nun erstmals "one of our very own" in den US-Kongress gewählt zu werden. Armor würde sein Forums-Nomen zum Omen machen: Bisher trat er da nur als "Congressman BillyBob" auf.

With John Armor, Free Republic announced on September 2, 2003, "one of our own" will try to be voted into the US Congress. Armor would like to make his forum name an omen: So far he makes his appearances there only as "Congessman Billybob".

Congratulations, John, you made made the news in Germany. The very last paragraph.

"Spiegel Online...."You need to click "Abstimmen"

longjack

26 posted on 03/08/2004 4:19:58 PM PST by longjack
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To: Congressman Billybob
This would make a great tagline for you!

Armor would do his forum Nomen the omen

27 posted on 03/08/2004 4:22:33 PM PST by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: DeaconBenjamin
Sie geben dem Online-Medienmacher ein Feedback, wie der Leser eine Sache sieht. Translated: "All our base are belong to them."

But this one is my favorite: No translation necessary!
Bush-Messer: Der Cowboy attackiert Mr. Flip-Flop. Cool graphic at that site, too.
29 posted on 03/08/2004 4:30:36 PM PST by gitmo (Thanks, Mel. I needed that.)
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To: Jeff Head; knarf
They're complaining about "Free Republic" skewing their poll.

They describe "ultra-conservative" Jim Robinson having founded FR, as a "Clinton Hating" website, and mention the LA Times Washington Post lawsuit. They say FR is not allowed to quote those papers, if that's true, I'm not sure.

They mention "Freeps" as protesting / frustrating Democratic Party gatherings. etc, and that after the failure of the Clinton impeachment action ebbed somewhat on FR, but picked after after 9/11 with references to, what I thought were, war mongering tendencies.

This is a short summary, of course, and for "Spiegel", who seems to be PO'd that their poll was trashed, it was a seemingly detailed article about FR.

It seems they didn't cookie-protect the poll, mentioning they tend to put "trust" in their readers. Did you pick that up, Jeff? I'm reading this fast, and posting, so I haven't got a real detailed analysis ready.

"Spiegel", if I may give my opinion, publishes a lot of breaking news, and is very much on the cutting edge of any major news event. Yes, a lot of their material tends to be liberal, but they do have Pro-US viewpoints often.

longjack

30 posted on 03/08/2004 4:36:20 PM PST by longjack
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To: mappe
i can literally see the oil dollars in his eyes everytime he is on cnn

If the source of your news about America and the President is CNN, then you are not getting the truth.

CNN is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party and would and does say and do anything to tear down Bush

31 posted on 03/08/2004 4:38:44 PM PST by Vermonter
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To: mappe
Alles weit verfehlt, Junge.

Wenn du mit solche voreingenommenheiten hier reinsteigst, ohne wirklicher Ahnung was hier drueben vorgeht, bist du fehl am Platz.

Viel Glueck.

longjack

32 posted on 03/08/2004 4:44:55 PM PST by longjack
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To: mappe; JoJo Gunn; Cacique
Hold still a minute...this won't hurt a bit...


33 posted on 03/08/2004 4:49:21 PM PST by hellinahandcart
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To: mappe
I spent a year in Germany (Wurzburg).
It deeply saddened me to see Germans supporting Saddam's torture and killing of Iraqis. Supporting his weapons program and his backing of terrorists.

But I liked to think it was just their leaders and media that manipulated them into that. Your words here convince me I was right.

The United States threatens only the peasants' acceptance of their aristocracy's control. We always have.

34 posted on 03/08/2004 4:50:42 PM PST by mrsmith ("Oyez, oyez! All rise for the Honorable Chief Justice... Hillary Rodham Clinton ")
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To: hellinahandcart; trussell; MEG33; MeekOneGOP; Toto27; Hillarys nightmare; EggsAckley; ...
We have German Troll #3! (at least as far as I know). I'm sure Freepmail will be forthcoming as well?

A heckuva an image there, "hand cart".
35 posted on 03/08/2004 4:58:52 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: JoJo Gunn
Weird!
36 posted on 03/08/2004 5:00:57 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Don't believe the Lawn Gnomes. They lie like a stone.)
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To: knarf
Re your # 17: Kernstück des Angebotes ist das Diskussionsforum, in dem es teils heftig zur Sache geht.

I would translate this as:

The heart of it's appeal (Free Republic)is the discussion forum, in which it can get hot and heavy at times.

The machine translator makes heftig out to be violent, but in this phrase "Spiegel" really is saying" they really go to town", or it gets "hot and heavy at times".

This is also "Spiegel"'s vernacular.: they use a lot of puns and idioms in their articles. A case in point is the FR picture title above...the right issues..

HTH longjack

37 posted on 03/08/2004 5:02:17 PM PST by longjack
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To: mappe
Given their country's history, I should think that most Germans would feel that the US invasion of Iraq was justified if only to liberate the Iraqi people from a sadistic dictator responsible for the brutal deaths of thousands upon thousands of civilians, never mind any threat it may have posed to the US. But alas, it seems Germans have as bad a memory as everyone else.



38 posted on 03/08/2004 5:03:29 PM PST by ForOurFuture
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To: mappe
You wanna see aggression and hate? Wade into the various IndyMedias or the DU!
39 posted on 03/08/2004 5:04:33 PM PST by JoJo Gunn (Intellectuals exist only if you believe they do. )
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To: mappe
"FReeping" exists in Germany whether you acknowledge it or not. It is "activism". Technically speaking, FReeping is activism by those conservatives who visit FreeRepublic.com.

That activism can extend to going to a rally or a counter protest. That activism can extend to signing up names on a petition to get a candidate or initiative on a ballot. That activism can be emailing, calling, or writing a note to a newsroom, editor, elected official, public servant (like a school principal), etc. Private addresses and phone numbers are not permitted on FR. Some FReeping includes responding to an online poll. Free Republic is not the only site that engages in this sort of activism.

I'm not surprised that the media only single out FR for this activity (and I suspect that often the media is notified by Red DUpes). Here is a little researched evidence that the media chooses to ignore.

The media has written time and time again about how FReepers FReep polls. Newsweek/MSNBC recently included a link on their poll page to send surfers to FR to see the call for people to go to the poll.

MSNBC- Are You a Bush Booster -- or Basher? (Updated: 5:27 p.m. ET Feb. 12, 2004)

Editor's Note: This week, the online version of the Newsweek poll received an unusually high rate of response, with the clear majority of participants casting uniform votes. For these reasons, we believe the poll is being intentionally manipulated. In addition, we received an e-mail alert suggesting that the campaign is being coordinated by at least one special-interest group.

SF CHRON ON FR: FReep This -- How The Right Wing Is Making Itself Heard

(Thursday, January 30, 2003) Something strange happened during the 2000 Gore-Bush election fiasco you may have missed.

CNN, which was running 24-hour special election coverage, hosted a program with conservative columnist Bob Novak shortly after the disputed election results were returned. Novak was adamant that Al Gore should quit trying to steal the election and concede. To bolster his point, he brought up the results of CNN.com's public-opinion poll "Should Al Gore concede?" Poll results showed that a full 89 percent of the thousands of people who had visited CNN.com and voted had agreed -- Gore should give up the ghost.

But had the American people really spoken? Or was this poll FReeped?

Though many may not know about them, FReepers are members of a small but growing and vocal right-wing movement who are making a name for themselves. [snip]

But then, well, there are those other tactics some FReepers have been known to use.

First of all, the mass poll voting: A FReeper will post a link to a poll on Free Republic and urge other FReepers to FReep it. Search under "FReep poll" at the Web site and you'll find many "FReep this poll!" marching orders each day. In monitoring Free Republic myself, I have been amazed at how fast the FReepers seem to find polls, which are sometimes posted to Free Republic just minutes after they appear online.

"Whenever a poll is posted on Free Republic.com, everybody goes and votes the right way, and there's nothing wrong with that," says Marinelle Thompson, FReeper and founder of gun rights group Second Ammendment Sisters. "We just do it for a laugh. It doesn't really mean anything."

She's right -- there's nothing at all wrong with encouraging a group to vote in a poll. It's done all the time in political groups of every stripe. What most people, even some FReepers themselves, object to is the intentional swaying of polls by people who vote repeatedly. In fact, SF Gate has had a few of its own polls FReeped. As SF Gate News Director (and poll writer) Vlae Kershner put it, "People are finding a way of getting around our system that only allows one vote, and they're voting hundreds of times. It's not thousands of people voting one way; it's one or two people voting hundreds of times."

Anyway, Kershner says, SF Gate's polls are for entertainment value only. After all, the poll population is self-selected. The people who vote in online polls are those who care enough about an issue to vote -- by its very nature, a skewed population. But not everyone who looks at poll results knows the difference.

"Online polls are silly -- everybody knows that," says liberal political analyst William Rivers Pitt, whose book War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know made him something of a FReeper target for a time. "But it can have a real effect if it's brought out as news that actually means something. The best example is the Gore thing."

David Allen, founder and moderator of major liberal forum Democratic Underground, a popular site many think of as Free Republic's most direct ideologically opposite rival, agrees.

"A lot of blame here needs to be placed on the media itself," says Allen. "These polls are put up there on Web sites and sold as if they are news, as if they are an accurate reflection of the opinions of American people, and they're not. They're completely skewed to whomever finds it first -- and, to be honest, that's never us liberals. It's always them. As long as the news media continues to report the results of an Internet poll as if it's news, the FReeping of polls will continue to be a problem."

Here was a thread I located on DUh and share to FReepers:

From the thread titled "Should We Report Freepers Whenever they try "Freeping" polls?"

Sun Oct-12-03
NUMBER ONE POST: Sure why not...
And yes we should continue DUing polls. There is a need to help people from making stupid mistakes and if a poll result might influence even one person from supporting these idiots in charge then I have no qualms with it.

So you see, it is all a big con. The Rat Party outs the FReeps and then DUpes the public all in one big scam.

To show that FR is hardly the only group PINGing people to vote in polls, here is a documented case if ISLAMming a poll. I discovered it when googling Omer Chouardy's name the day that the 3 medical students were stopped after a suspicious tip in a restaurant:

Students forum on Missouri.edu (muslims thread)

Omer Choudhary
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:15:25 -0600 (CST)

Seriously, everone go to this website Milia sent and vote for the Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him. I just went and voted and apparently, Alhumdullilah the most votes are for the Prophet (PBUH) right now, at 20,352. Second place is Jesus, with 5,026. So we're way ahead but the more the better.

also want to point out a very important thing. Many of you will think that we don't need to worry about some stupid vote to prove or show anyone that Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him is really "Number One".

Agreed. However, stop and think for a minute that the amount of people around the world that are influenced by these same magazines, programs, and surveys will also think that "Hey, how did this person win?
What's so special about them...etc etc". So the idea is that this is also a way, (a big way), to attract people's attention to Islam and to what the religion is all about, rather than them being bogged down by stereotypes they hear from the media, etc. So please go and vote at this website:

http://www.msnbc.com/modules/Millennium_People/MillP_ReligPhilos.asp

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"Life Is Goooooood!"
-Omer J. Choudhary
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Hmmmm. MSNBC never did report that poll was ISLAMmed. Obviously those results were tilted 4-1 in Muslims favor when ABC just reported that 8 out of 10 American adults is "Christian".

The left has dominated social activism for 35 years. Now it is something that "threatens" society? Another perspective enters the public arena and it is "bad"?

40 posted on 03/08/2004 5:12:10 PM PST by weegee ('...Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.')
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To: finnman69; Jim Robinson
ultraconservative activist Jim Robinson

Woo-hoo Jim - you're ultraconservative!! LOL!!

41 posted on 03/08/2004 5:12:40 PM PST by StarCMC (God protect the 969th in Iraq and their Captain, my brother...God protect them all!)
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To: JoJo Gunn; mappe
It is extremely disappointing that BOTH France and Germany are currently acting as they are about a butchering murderous arabic slimelord named Saddam.
France supported Saddam and even gave him weapons for oil under the guise of food for oil.
And we saved their butts at least twice.
Germany was kept from coming fully under Warsaw pact control by US support.
Reunification would not have been possible without the US.

Considering how the current German government has been acting, well.. We've had enemies more friendly than our supposed allies.
42 posted on 03/08/2004 5:17:06 PM PST by Darksheare (Fortune for today: Don't believe the Lawn Gnomes. They lie like a stone.)
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To: mappe
As to a perpective on "Germany", there are better threads to handle that on. I don't tell Germans how to run Germany and I don't care what opinion they offer in who runs America. We are a soverign nation. Some nations were trading partners with Saddam Hussein's Iraq. That may have influenced some nations' decisions whether to call for Saddam to step down or not.

Even John Kerry said that The United States of America was a soverign nation and did not need UN approval to do what was in our best interest. But Senator Kerry said this years ago when Bill Clinton was President. It seems that when the party in charge changed, so did Kerry's position on the issue.

Flashback! Excerpt from Kerry on CrossFire in 1997 (Kerry RIPS into France, et al)

SHOW: CNN CROSSFIRE 19:30 pm ET

November 12, 1997; Wednesday 7:30 pm Eastern Time

Transcript # 97111200V20

JOHN SUNUNU, CROSSFIRE: Senator Kerry, in fact, in spite of the administration claiming it has restored unanimity, that has not occurred. All the strength of this resolution had to be pulled out of it get any votes at all other than our own. Isn't this exercise actually counterproductive in sending a signal to Iraq that the coalition still remains frayed?

SEN. JOHN KERRY, (D), MASSACHUSETTS, FOREIGN RELATIONS COMMITTEE: Well, John, you're correct that this resolution is less than we would have liked. I don't think anybody can deny that we would have liked it to have threatened force and we would have liked it to carry the term serious consequences will flow. On the other hand, the coalition is together. I mean the fact is there is a unanimous statement by the security council and the United Nations that there has to be immediate, unrestricted, unconditional access to the sites. That's very strong language. And it also references the underlying resolution on which the use of force is based. So clearly the allies may not like it, and I think that's our great concern -- where's the backbone of Russia, where's the backbone of France, where are they in expressing their condemnation of such clearly illegal activity, but in a sense, they're now climbing into a box and they will have enormous difficulty not following up on this if there is not compliance by Iraq.

...

KERRY: Well, John, there's absolutely no statement that they have made or that they will make that will prevent the United States of America and this president or any president from acting in what they believe are the best interests of our country. And obviously it's disappointing. It was disappointing a month ago not to have the French and the Russians understanding that they shouldn't give any signals of weakening on the sanctions and I think those signals would have helped bring about this crisis because they permitted Saddam Hussein to interpret that maybe the moment was right for him to make this challenge.

...

SUNUNU: But isn't what he has seen is a loss of U.S. leadership and an erosion under an administration that has failed to lead?

KERRY: On the contrary. The administration is leading. The administration is making it clear that they don't believe that they even need the U.N. Security Council to sign off on a material breach because the finding of material breach was made by Mr. Butler. So furthermore, I think the United States has always reserved the right and will reserve the right to act in its best interests. And clearly it is not just our best interests, it is in the best interests of the world to make it clear to Saddam Hussein that he's not going to get away with a breach of the '91 agreement that he's got to live up to, which is allowing inspections and dismantling his weapons and allowing us to know that he has dismantled his weapons. That's the price he pays for invading Kuwait and starting a war.

...

KERRY: Correct, absolutely correct, and I believe, and they stood with us today and I am saying to you that it is my judgment that by standing with us today and calling for the unrestricted, unconditional, unlimited, you know, access, they have now taken a stand that they are duty bound to enforce and if Saddam Hussein doesn't do that, the president, I think, has begun a process which you remember very well, John, was not done in one week, in one day, in one month. It took months to weave together the fabric to lead up to an understanding of what was at stake. I am convinced that many people have not yet even focused in full measure on what is at stake.

...

PRESS: Are you suggesting, are you calling for a military, U.S. military strike against Iran now before...

SUNUNU: Iraq.

PRESS: Iraq, I'm sorry, before any other United Nations action is taken?

KING: No, I'm saying is that very soon, though, we would have to use the threat of military force because as Bill Richardson said that this, these are delaying tactics brought about by the Iraqis and this is very serious. When you're talking about biological warfare and when you're talking about the fact that they've already adjusted the cameras, they've already fooled around with the equipment which gauges the air, they've already moved some of the devices away from the U.N. inspectors. This is a very, very serious situation and I'm saying that we would have to, I think, threaten very severe military action at an early date. Now exactly what that would be is obviously, we have to get more information on it, but based on I think what all of us know, it is very, very critical and not too much time more can be wasted.


43 posted on 03/08/2004 5:20:03 PM PST by weegee ('...Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.')
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To: longjack
it gets "hot and heavy at times".

Sounds more like my datings days (& nights), than the discussion forum at FR...
44 posted on 03/08/2004 5:22:33 PM PST by KangarooJacqui ("If you can't be a good example,you'll just have to be a horrible warning." - Kerry campaign slogan?)
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To: mappe
Verziehen Sie es mir, mein geshriebenes Deutch ist nicht so gut...lange her seit Ich Deutch geshrieben habe und Ich habe viel verlehrnt.

Aber, dass alles haben Sie in eine Stunde aussgedruekt? Ich denke nicht..dass waere zu schnell.

Und...

president bush is an evil man, i can literally see the oil dollars in his eyes everytime he is on cnn

Mensch, dass ist nur so viel Quatch. Hier, guk mal on volgendes...

Winning Iraqi freedom

45 posted on 03/08/2004 5:23:19 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: weegee
That's gold.
46 posted on 03/08/2004 5:25:26 PM PST by Petronski (John Kerry looks like . . . like . . . weakness.)
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To: mappe
i`m surfing this site now for nearly an hour (the "spiegel-online" article brought me here). first of all, there is no word for FREEPING in German and i hope there will never be one (well, maybe the "German Idol" finale on saturday should be freeped;-)). i am German and i spent a year in the U.S. as an exchange student. i got to know so many nice, decent, caring, loving and open minded people. it makes me deeply sad, that in recent years american policy has changed so dramatically. people over here in europe as in the rest of the world are afraid of america. that is what president bush has reached. is that how the americans want to be seen - as a threat??? i know, that the vast majority of americans is not like that, but in this forum i sense so much aggression and hate, but if that`s the core of being conservative, fine. i pray to god that john kerry may win this election and not because i think this would weaken america. nobody wants to take anything away from you, that is just silly, but for the sake of world peace. president bush is an evil man, i can literally see the oil dollars in his eyes everytime he is on cnn. ok, that`s it for now. sorry for the bad english, but it´s been quite a while...feel free to answer to this statement. i am of course especially interested what feelings and points view conservative americans have towards germany

Welcome! I think your viewpoint is typical of someone who only sees 100% negative opinions about Bush. Having spent some time in Europe last year, I can see the media influence and power is tremendous, and they all hate Bush and hate any Republican US president.

With that in mind, what is happening now is pure brainwashing hatred into the minds of millions, which is exactly what got Fortuyn killed. Its too bad because all things considered, Europeans are mostly good people.

47 posted on 03/08/2004 5:25:39 PM PST by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: mappe
president bush is an evil man, i can literally see the oil dollars in his eyes everytime he is on **cnn**

You are a good German. You are good at following orders without question.

48 posted on 03/08/2004 5:26:22 PM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Petronski
I bookmarked it the day it got posted/excerpted.

FR is a clearing house for information you will never see from the alphabet networks.

49 posted on 03/08/2004 5:29:41 PM PST by weegee ('...Kerry is like that or so a crack sausage.')
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To: KangarooJacqui
Great job guys
50 posted on 03/08/2004 5:29:59 PM PST by raloxk
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