Posted on 03/08/2004 1:59:46 PM PST by DeaconBenjamin
You need to click "Abstimmen"
Votes sind eine feine Sache, die Butter auf dem Nachrichtenbrot. Sie geben dem Online-Medienmacher ein Feedback,wie der Leser eine Sache sieht. Fast 60 Prozent der Leser von SPIEGEL ONLINE halten George W. Bush beispielsweise für einen Top-Präsidenten. Wir wissen auch, warum. Von Frank Patalong ...
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" .. slant the results to something other than what they might have otherwise expected, even in Germany."
What
" .. Principal item of the offer is the discussion forum in which it goes partly violently to the thing."
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 "Free Republic": Stören, manipulieren, demonstrieren für die rechte Sache
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"Free Republic": Disrupt, manipulate, demonstrate for the right issues
Link here:
"Spiegel Online...."You need to click "Abstimmen"
Image above is halfway down. If you click on it there is a brief sideshow that shows FR's homepage.
The whole article seems to be about FR freeping this poll. I'll look at it more closely now.
longjack
But, you know what they say...any publicity is good publicity. A bunch of people will be checking FR out now and some percent of those will cut through all the lib propaganda and see the good.
But in essence, with my one paragraph summary, that is what they are saying.
With John Armor, Free Republic announced on September 2, 2003, "one of our own" will try to be voted into the US Congress. Armor would like to make his forum name an omen: So far he makes his appearances there only as "Congessman Billybob".
Congratulations, John, you made made the news in Germany. The very last paragraph.
"Spiegel Online...."You need to click "Abstimmen"
longjack
Armor would do his forum Nomen the omen
They describe "ultra-conservative" Jim Robinson having founded FR, as a "Clinton Hating" website, and mention the LA Times Washington Post lawsuit. They say FR is not allowed to quote those papers, if that's true, I'm not sure.
They mention "Freeps" as protesting / frustrating Democratic Party gatherings. etc, and that after the failure of the Clinton impeachment action ebbed somewhat on FR, but picked after after 9/11 with references to, what I thought were, war mongering tendencies.
This is a short summary, of course, and for "Spiegel", who seems to be PO'd that their poll was trashed, it was a seemingly detailed article about FR.
It seems they didn't cookie-protect the poll, mentioning they tend to put "trust" in their readers. Did you pick that up, Jeff? I'm reading this fast, and posting, so I haven't got a real detailed analysis ready.
"Spiegel", if I may give my opinion, publishes a lot of breaking news, and is very much on the cutting edge of any major news event. Yes, a lot of their material tends to be liberal, but they do have Pro-US viewpoints often.
longjack
If the source of your news about America and the President is CNN, then you are not getting the truth.
CNN is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Democrat party and would and does say and do anything to tear down Bush
Wenn du mit solche voreingenommenheiten hier reinsteigst, ohne wirklicher Ahnung was hier drueben vorgeht, bist du fehl am Platz.
Viel Glueck.
longjack
But I liked to think it was just their leaders and media that manipulated them into that. Your words here convince me I was right.
The United States threatens only the peasants' acceptance of their aristocracy's control. We always have.
I would translate this as:
The heart of it's appeal (Free Republic)is the discussion forum, in which it can get hot and heavy at times.
The machine translator makes heftig out to be violent, but in this phrase "Spiegel" really is saying" they really go to town", or it gets "hot and heavy at times".
This is also "Spiegel"'s vernacular.: they use a lot of puns and idioms in their articles. A case in point is the FR picture title above...the right issues..
HTH longjack
That activism can extend to going to a rally or a counter protest. That activism can extend to signing up names on a petition to get a candidate or initiative on a ballot. That activism can be emailing, calling, or writing a note to a newsroom, editor, elected official, public servant (like a school principal), etc. Private addresses and phone numbers are not permitted on FR. Some FReeping includes responding to an online poll. Free Republic is not the only site that engages in this sort of activism.
I'm not surprised that the media only single out FR for this activity (and I suspect that often the media is notified by Red DUpes). Here is a little researched evidence that the media chooses to ignore.
The media has written time and time again about how FReepers FReep polls. Newsweek/MSNBC recently included a link on their poll page to send surfers to FR to see the call for people to go to the poll.
MSNBC- Are You a Bush Booster -- or Basher? (Updated: 5:27 p.m. ET Feb. 12, 2004)
Editor's Note: This week, the online version of the Newsweek poll received an unusually high rate of response, with the clear majority of participants casting uniform votes. For these reasons, we believe the poll is being intentionally manipulated. In addition, we received an e-mail alert suggesting that the campaign is being coordinated by at least one special-interest group.
SF CHRON ON FR: FReep This -- How The Right Wing Is Making Itself Heard
(Thursday, January 30, 2003) Something strange happened during the 2000 Gore-Bush election fiasco you may have missed.CNN, which was running 24-hour special election coverage, hosted a program with conservative columnist Bob Novak shortly after the disputed election results were returned. Novak was adamant that Al Gore should quit trying to steal the election and concede. To bolster his point, he brought up the results of CNN.com's public-opinion poll "Should Al Gore concede?" Poll results showed that a full 89 percent of the thousands of people who had visited CNN.com and voted had agreed -- Gore should give up the ghost.
But had the American people really spoken? Or was this poll FReeped?
Though many may not know about them, FReepers are members of a small but growing and vocal right-wing movement who are making a name for themselves. [snip]
But then, well, there are those other tactics some FReepers have been known to use.
First of all, the mass poll voting: A FReeper will post a link to a poll on Free Republic and urge other FReepers to FReep it. Search under "FReep poll" at the Web site and you'll find many "FReep this poll!" marching orders each day. In monitoring Free Republic myself, I have been amazed at how fast the FReepers seem to find polls, which are sometimes posted to Free Republic just minutes after they appear online.
"Whenever a poll is posted on Free Republic.com, everybody goes and votes the right way, and there's nothing wrong with that," says Marinelle Thompson, FReeper and founder of gun rights group Second Ammendment Sisters. "We just do it for a laugh. It doesn't really mean anything."
She's right -- there's nothing at all wrong with encouraging a group to vote in a poll. It's done all the time in political groups of every stripe. What most people, even some FReepers themselves, object to is the intentional swaying of polls by people who vote repeatedly. In fact, SF Gate has had a few of its own polls FReeped. As SF Gate News Director (and poll writer) Vlae Kershner put it, "People are finding a way of getting around our system that only allows one vote, and they're voting hundreds of times. It's not thousands of people voting one way; it's one or two people voting hundreds of times."
Anyway, Kershner says, SF Gate's polls are for entertainment value only. After all, the poll population is self-selected. The people who vote in online polls are those who care enough about an issue to vote -- by its very nature, a skewed population. But not everyone who looks at poll results knows the difference.
"Online polls are silly -- everybody knows that," says liberal political analyst William Rivers Pitt, whose book War on Iraq: What Team Bush Doesn't Want You To Know made him something of a FReeper target for a time. "But it can have a real effect if it's brought out as news that actually means something. The best example is the Gore thing."
David Allen, founder and moderator of major liberal forum Democratic Underground, a popular site many think of as Free Republic's most direct ideologically opposite rival, agrees.
"A lot of blame here needs to be placed on the media itself," says Allen. "These polls are put up there on Web sites and sold as if they are news, as if they are an accurate reflection of the opinions of American people, and they're not. They're completely skewed to whomever finds it first -- and, to be honest, that's never us liberals. It's always them. As long as the news media continues to report the results of an Internet poll as if it's news, the FReeping of polls will continue to be a problem."
Here was a thread I located on DUh and share to FReepers:
From the thread titled "Should We Report Freepers Whenever they try "Freeping" polls?"
Sun Oct-12-03
NUMBER ONE POST: Sure why not...
And yes we should continue DUing polls. There is a need to help people from making stupid mistakes and if a poll result might influence even one person from supporting these idiots in charge then I have no qualms with it.
So you see, it is all a big con. The Rat Party outs the FReeps and then DUpes the public all in one big scam.
To show that FR is hardly the only group PINGing people to vote in polls, here is a documented case if ISLAMming a poll. I discovered it when googling Omer Chouardy's name the day that the 3 medical students were stopped after a suspicious tip in a restaurant:
Students forum on Missouri.edu (muslims thread)
Omer Choudhary
Wed, 15 Dec 1999 20:15:25 -0600 (CST)Seriously, everone go to this website Milia sent and vote for the Prophet, Peace Be Upon Him. I just went and voted and apparently, Alhumdullilah the most votes are for the Prophet (PBUH) right now, at 20,352. Second place is Jesus, with 5,026. So we're way ahead but the more the better.
also want to point out a very important thing. Many of you will think that we don't need to worry about some stupid vote to prove or show anyone that Prophet Muhammad, Peace Be Upon Him is really "Number One".
Agreed. However, stop and think for a minute that the amount of people around the world that are influenced by these same magazines, programs, and surveys will also think that "Hey, how did this person win?
What's so special about them...etc etc". So the idea is that this is also a way, (a big way), to attract people's attention to Islam and to what the religion is all about, rather than them being bogged down by stereotypes they hear from the media, etc. So please go and vote at this website:http://www.msnbc.com/modules/Millennium_People/MillP_ReligPhilos.asp
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"Life Is Goooooood!"
-Omer J. Choudhary
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Hmmmm. MSNBC never did report that poll was ISLAMmed. Obviously those results were tilted 4-1 in Muslims favor when ABC just reported that 8 out of 10 American adults is "Christian".
The left has dominated social activism for 35 years. Now it is something that "threatens" society? Another perspective enters the public arena and it is "bad"?
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