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Looking into Blackheath's mysterious cavern (Huge Cave system under London)
icSouthlondon ^ | Sep 03.03 | Mandy Little

Posted on 03/17/2004 6:04:02 AM PST by vannrox

Land around a mysterious cavern underneath Blackheath could soon be under investigation.


Parkman's, the surveyors who investigated a six-foot-wide crater that appeared in the A2 at Blackheath Hill last April has said further checks on land stability in the area are needed.

Decisions on their report were to be made by Greenwich council last night.

But the council, which would apply for a grant from English Partnerships to cover the costs of the investigation, is not yet sure how much it will cost.

The collapse of the A2 into chalk pits after subsoil washed away triggered traffic chaos, hundreds of people were evacuated from their homes, and repair work spanning nine months cost £2.25million.

Honeycombs of chalk workings are known to exist under Blackheath, and rumours and stories about one of the largest, known as the Blackheath Cavern, located below The Point, have circulated for centuries.

The ancient chalk workings are said to have been shelters for the Saxons and later for 15th century rebels. Rediscovered in 1780, the cavern became a tourist attraction and a venue for wild parties but were closed down hurriedly in 1854 after a "disorderly masked ball".

Its existence slipped into legend until 1939 when, after attempts in 1906 and 1916, Greenwich council located an entrance using "electrical resistivity" and sank a shaft down 40 feet.

At that time a Kentish Mercury reporter entered the cavern from the back garden of a house in Maidenstone Hill, along with council representatives considering its use as air raid shelters.

He reported there were in fact three linked caverns a total of 59ft long and the floors were littered with broken bottles.

But concern about the stability of the area has resurfaced following last year's collapse.

Greenwich council undertook remedial ground works to stabilise council-owned Cade Tyler House after the road collapse and carried out investigation work around Undercliffe House and A2 where it meets Maidenstone Hill.

In a recent letter to residents, David Jessop, the council's assistant director of transport and highways, said: "Bearing in mind the recent subsidence and some of the recent investigations, I think it is prudent that the condition of the Blackheath Cavern and the extent of any workings in the immediate vicinity are thoroughly investigated."

A council spokesman said: "There is no suggestion of any immediate risk to properties as far as the council is aware.

"It should be stressed that responsibility for the land and buildings upon them is with the relevant property owners. But the council considers it has a wider public responsibility to take a lead in bringing about these investigations."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: ancient; archaeology; beer; blackheath; bottle; cave; cavern; discovery; drink; england; explore; found; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; light; london; lost; old; past; uk
I found this to be a cool and interesting article.
1 posted on 03/17/2004 6:04:03 AM PST by vannrox
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To: vannrox
Don't you guys watch Buffy? This is clearly a Hellmouth waiting to happen!
2 posted on 03/17/2004 6:09:37 AM PST by 50sDad (OK, I give in. Visit my website! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: vannrox
The illuminati headquarters obviously. Seriously though, it would be a great place to do a dig. There are probably old coins, bottles, "trash" that would be very valuable there for historical artifacts.
3 posted on 03/17/2004 6:13:40 AM PST by dogbyte12
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To: vannrox
A2 Brute? Interesting article. A couple of days late to commemorate the Ides, but still a timely lesson for all. Chalk, I can dig it. LOL
4 posted on 03/17/2004 6:14:07 AM PST by Kay Syrah (nice finish)
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To: vannrox
The Lair of the Insidious Dr. Fu Manchu.
5 posted on 03/17/2004 6:17:48 AM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: 50sDad
And it's right in Giles' backyard!
6 posted on 03/17/2004 6:43:05 AM PST by FormerLib ("Homosexual marriage" is just another route to anarchy.)
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To: vannrox
Above ground the fog and cobblestones. Underground the mysterious rooms, scurrying rats and strange broken bottles.

Where's Vincent Price when you need him?

Leni

7 posted on 03/17/2004 6:48:49 AM PST by MinuteGal (Paridise is not lost ! You'll find it May 22 aboard "FReeps Ahoy". Register now for our cruise.)
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To: vannrox
"Rediscovered in 1780, the cavern became a tourist attraction and a venue for wild parties but were closed down hurriedly in 1854 after a "disorderly masked ball".


That must have some party.... ;)

8 posted on 03/17/2004 6:51:57 AM PST by FeliciaCat (Life is to short for ugly shoes.)
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To: blam
FYI
9 posted on 03/17/2004 7:01:00 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: FeliciaCat
"That must have some party.... ;) "

My thought too!
10 posted on 03/17/2004 7:01:46 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Kay Syrah
That is inexcusable! LOL!
11 posted on 03/17/2004 7:03:41 AM PST by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: vannrox
Good place to detonate a terrorist bomb if there's anything of importance above.
12 posted on 03/17/2004 7:07:11 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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To: Rebelbase
Thanks for the ping. I wonder how old the caverns are and what interesting things will be found?
13 posted on 03/17/2004 11:32:44 AM PST by blam
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To: blam; FairOpinion; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SunkenCiv; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; 4ConservativeJustices; ...
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14 posted on 12/29/2004 7:16:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv ("The odds are very much against inclusion, and non-inclusion is unlikely to be meaningful." -seamole)
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To: nkycincinnatikid
The Lair of the Insidious Dr. Fu Manchu.

It's Quatermass' pit (there were two versions, one for TV, one a Hammer Films production, along with the Penguin edition).


15 posted on 12/29/2004 7:39:46 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (A thunder of jets in an open sky ... a streak of grey ... and a cheerful 'Hi!')
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To: vannrox

Neat stuff.


16 posted on 12/29/2004 7:42:40 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: vannrox

Dragons


17 posted on 12/29/2004 7:42:41 PM PST by Jim Noble (Colgate '72)
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To: Mike Fieschko

Hob's End

18 posted on 12/29/2004 8:06:20 PM PST by BenLurkin (Big government is still a big problem.)
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To: BenLurkin
Heh. Just put it in my Netflix queue.

Saw this on Chiller Theater or Zacherly probably 40 years ago. Love those World in Panic! Cities in Flames! films.
19 posted on 12/29/2004 8:09:20 PM PST by Mike Fieschko (A thunder of jets in an open sky ... a streak of grey ... and a cheerful 'Hi!')
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To: Mike Fieschko

Great movie...it really gave me the creeps. So this cave system could be the hive?


20 posted on 12/29/2004 9:37:09 PM PST by Former Dodger ("False words are not only evil in themselves, but they infect the soul with evil. " - Plato)
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To: vannrox
There are disused and bricked up underground stations and train stations all over London, as you might imagine. Some can still be reached. One that can't be is near Crystal Palace, and I itch to get in whenever I see the bricked up arches. Toward the end of its life (in Edwardian times, I think), it fell into disuse and great fat spiders would fall from the high ceilings and splat onto ladies' hats.

Though most urban areas have some disused train tunnels or underground sewer lines, if you know where to look.

21 posted on 12/30/2004 4:42:10 AM PST by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: vannrox

Paging Mr. Holms, paging Mr. Holms


22 posted on 12/30/2004 4:49:12 AM PST by TMSuchman (American by birth,rebel by choice, MARINE BY GOD!)
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To: vannrox
Rediscovered in 1780, the cavern became a tourist attraction and a venue for wild parties but were closed down hurriedly in 1854 after a "disorderly masked ball".

I haven't been to a good disorderly masked ball in quite some time.

23 posted on 12/30/2004 4:53:13 AM PST by spodefly (Do not remove this tagline under penalty of law.)
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To: prion
You might want to check out these most interesting sites:

There are about 40 abandoned stations on the Underground network along its entire 255 miles (408Km) of trackway - some subsurface and some above ground. Some have vanished without trace whereas others are almost intact, grimey time capsules of the era when they were closed.

There is an entire subculture devoted to the exploration of disused buildings and structures. Some specialize in old military complexes, while others devote themselves to old skyscrapers and others to old subways and railroads. This is a great selection of links here.

Recreation, Urban Speleology . A great collection of yet more links for the boy in all of us.
24 posted on 12/30/2004 5:49:24 AM PST by vannrox (The Preamble to the Bill of Rights - without it, our Bill of Rights is meaningless!)
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To: 50sDad

Cthulhu Mythos ping?


25 posted on 12/30/2004 6:02:32 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: Little Ray

Paging Dr. Quartermass! Paging Dr. Quartermass!


26 posted on 12/30/2004 6:32:21 AM PST by 50sDad ( ST3d - Star Trek Tri-D Chess! http://my.oh.voyager.net/~abartmes)
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To: prion
great fat spiders

There was a problem with great fat spiders at one of the Royal residences a couple years ago. Women screamed, strong men fainted, gardeners reached for their trowels.

27 posted on 12/30/2004 7:55:28 AM PST by RightWhale (Destroy the dark; restore the light)
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To: FeliciaCat
Well, according to another web site, the problem is that the "disorderly masked balls" included some ladies who were quite "unmasked" in many ways.
28 posted on 12/30/2004 8:24:51 AM PST by Question_Assumptions
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To: vannrox

They better watch their backs for Daleks sneaking around corners.


29 posted on 12/30/2004 8:31:22 AM PST by agrarianlady
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To: prion
So true! Just prior to WW1 a subway was built in Cincinnati. The war halted the aquisition of track and trains. After the war the inflation of the 20's required that an additional bond issue be sought to pay for completing the system. What with the simultaneous explosion of the automobile and suburban exodus they could never get that bond issue passed. My Sisters husband had done a college paper on the subway and had found ways to enter it. One evening at dusk he took me along with him, We climbed out the following morning before sunrise. What a grand folly! From a quite large main station about 8 blocks from the river downtown we walked about 6 or 7 miles to the vicinity of P&G's Ivorydale and back. There was no evidence that anyone ever goes down there . A bit of graffiti like you might find in a remote cave in the Ky hills but that was about all, except for an area chock full of military rations, blankets etc. apparently put there during the 40's or 50's as a potential bomb shelter.
30 posted on 12/30/2004 2:05:10 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: Mike Fieschko

I ran into that movie on tv a few years ago. It must have been extremely good because I actually watched it.


31 posted on 12/30/2004 2:37:42 PM PST by nkycincinnatikid
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To: vannrox

I love exploring old ghost towns and such. I've always wanted to explore the subway system in NYC and the hundreds of miles of tunnels underneath Paris.

Ed


32 posted on 12/30/2004 3:41:22 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: prion

"There are disused and bricked up underground stations and train stations all over London, as you might imagine"

I just read a neat book on the underground city in Edinburgh, very interesting reading.

I'm also reading a book on the forgotten islands of New York City and about all the abandoned buildings on some of them.

Ed


33 posted on 12/30/2004 4:07:06 PM PST by Sir_Ed
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To: Sir_Ed

Whats the name of the book? Or Author?


34 posted on 12/30/2004 6:01:22 PM PST by ABN 505
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To: vannrox
Yes, this is cool.

There was an article in Scientific American about 20 years ago concerning another chalk mine in England. It operated for more than 500 years, in prehistoric times. Apparently flint occurs as "nodules" in chalk and it is the search for the flint that occasioned the extensive tunneling in these mines.

35 posted on 12/30/2004 6:15:58 PM PST by wideminded
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To: ABN 505

The book on the underground city beneath Edinburgh is called "The Town Below The Ground, Edinburgh's legendary underground city," by Jan-Andrew Henderson.

It's published by Mainstream Publishing, of Edinburgh.

The book on the lost islands of NYC is a book I bought at the Governor's Island book shop.

They just opened up Governor's Island to public tours, it is WAY cool!!

Not as cool as exploring Gold Field or Gold Point, Nevada, two ghost towns in the Nevada high desert, but still, very, very neat to explore.

Ed


36 posted on 12/31/2004 1:14:10 AM PST by Sir_Ed
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Pinging you to post # 24.


37 posted on 12/31/2004 6:41:19 PM PST by Domestic Church (AMDG...)
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To: Domestic Church

How interesting DC, and thank you so much for the ping.


38 posted on 12/31/2004 6:59:32 PM PST by Cindy
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39 posted on 02/05/2006 8:06:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (Islam is medieval fascism, and the Koran is a medieval Mein Kampf.)
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