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Militants in Europe Openly Call for Jihad and the Rule of Islam
The New York Times ^ | April 26, 2004 | PATRICK E. TYLER and DON VAN NATTA Jr

Posted on 04/26/2004 7:53:48 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

LUTON, England, April 24 — The call to jihad is rising in the streets of Europe, and is being answered, counterterrorism officials say.

In this former industrial town north of London, a small group of young Britons whose parents emigrated from Pakistan after World War II have turned against their families' new home. They say they would like to see Prime Minister Tony Blair dead or deposed and an Islamic flag hanging outside No. 10 Downing Street.

They swear allegiance to Osama bin Laden and his goal of toppling Western democracies to establish an Islamic superstate under Shariah law, like Afghanistan under the Taliban. They call the Sept. 11 hijackers the "Magnificent 19" and regard the Madrid train bombings as a clever way to drive a wedge into Europe.

On Thursday evening, at a tennis center community hall in Slough, west of London, their leader, Sheik Omar Bakri Mohammad, spoke of his adherence to Osama bin Laden. If Europe fails to heed Mr. bin Laden's offer of a truce — provided that all foreign troops are withdrawn from Iraq in three months — Muslims will no longer be restrained from attacking the Western countries that play host to them, the sheik said.

"All Muslims of the West will be obliged," he said, to "become his sword" in a new battle. Europeans take heed, he added, saying, "It is foolish to fight people who want death — that is what they are looking for."

On working-class streets of old industrial towns like Crawley, Luton, Birmingham and Manchester, and in the Arab enclaves of Germany, France, Switzerland and other parts of Europe, intelligence officials say a fervor for militancy is intensifying and becoming more open.

In Hamburg, Dr. Mustafa Yoldas, the director of the Council of Islamic Communities, saw a correlation to the discord in Iraq. "This is a very dangerous situation at the moment," Dr. Yoldas said. "My impression is that Muslims have become more and more angry against the United States."

Hundreds of young Muslim men are answering the call of militant groups affiliated or aligned with Al Qaeda, intelligence and counterterrorism officials in the region say.

Even more worrying, said a senior counterterrorism official, is that the level of "chatter" — communications among people suspected of terrorism and their supporters — has markedly increased since Mr. bin Laden's warning to Europe this month. The spike in chatter has given rise to acute worries that planning for another strike in Europe is advanced.

"Iraq dramatically strengthened their recruitment efforts," one counterterrorism official said. He added that some mosques now display photos of American soldiers fighting in Iraq alongside bloody scenes of bombed out Iraqi neighborhoods. Detecting actual recruitments is almost impossible, he said, because it is typically done face to face.

And recruitment is paired with a compelling new strategy to bring the fight to Europe.

Members of Al Qaeda have "proven themselves to be extremely opportunistic, and they have decided to try to split the Western alliance," the official continued. "They are focusing their energies on attacking the big countries" — the United States, Britain and Spain — so as to "scare" the smaller states.

Some Muslim recruits are going to Iraq, counterterrorism officials in Europe say, but more are remaining home, possibly joining cells that could help with terror logistics or begin operations like the one that came to notice when the British police seized 1,200 pounds of ammonium nitrate, a key bomb ingredient, in late March, and arrested nine Pakistani-Britons, five of whom have been charged with trying to build a terrorist bomb.

Stoking that anger are some of the same fiery Islamic clerics who preached violence and martyrdom before the Sept. 11 attacks.

On Friday, Abu Hamza, the cleric accused of tutoring Richard Reid before he tried to blow up a Paris-to-Miami jetliner with explosives hidden in his shoe, urged a crowd of 200 outside his former Finsbury Park mosque to embrace death and the "culture of martyrdom."

Though the British home secretary, David Blunkett, has sought to strip Abu Hamza of his British citizenship and deport him, the legal battle has dragged on for years while Abu Hamza keeps calling down the wrath of God.

Also this week, over Mr. Blunkett's vigorous objection, a 35-year-old Algerian held under emergency laws passed after Sept. 11 was released from Belmarsh Prison. The man, identified only as "G," suffered from severe mental illness, his lawyers told a special immigration appeals panel, which let him out of prison and put him under house arrest.

Mr. Blunkett insisted that that should not be the final judgment on a man already found by one court "to be a threat to life and liberty."

In an interview on the BBC over the weekend, Mr. Blunkett advocated a stronger deportation policy, initially focused on 12 foreign terror suspects held without charge since the Sept. 11 attacks.

Despite tougher antiterrorism laws, the police, prosecutors and intelligence chiefs across Europe say they are struggling to contain the openly seditious speech of Islamic extremists, some of whom, they say, have been inciting young men to suicidal violence since the 1990's.

One chapter in Sheik Omar's lectures these days is "The Psyche of Muslims for Suicide Bombing."

The authorities say that laws to protect religious expression and civil liberties have the result of limiting what they can do to stop hateful speech. In the case of foreigners, they say they are often left to seek deportation, a lengthy and uncertain process subject to legal appeals, when the suspect can keep inciting attacks.

That leaves the authorities to resort to less effective means, such as mouse-trapping Islamic radicals with immigration violations in hopes of making a deportation case stick. "In many countries, the laws are liberal and it's not easy," an official said.

At a mosque in Geneva, an imam recently exhorted his followers to "impose the will of Islam on the godless society of the West."

"It was quite virulent," said a senior official with knowledge of the sermon. "The imam was encouraging his followers to take over the godless society."

While such a sermon may be incitement, recruitment takes a more shadowy course, and is hard to detect, a senior antiterrorism official said. "Believers are appealed to in the mosques, but the real conversations take place in restaurants or cafes or private apartments," the official said.

While some clerics, like Abu Qatada — said to be the spiritual counselor of Mohamed Atta, who led the Sept. 11 hijacking team — remain in prison in Britain without charge, others like Sheik Omar, leader of a movement called Al Muhajiroun, carry on a robust ideological campaign.

"There is no case against me," Sheik Omar said in an interview. Referring to calls by members of Parliament that he be deported, he added, "but they are Jewish" and "they have been calling for that for years."

Among his ardent followers is Ishtiaq Alamgir, 24, who heads Al Muhajiroun in Luton and calls himself Sayful Islam, the sword of Islam. He says there are about 50 members here but exact numbers are secret.

Most days, he and a handful of his followers run a recruitment stand on Dunstable Road much to the chagrin of the Muslim elders of Luton.

Mainstream Muslims are outraged by the situation, saying the actions of a few are causing their communities to be singled out for surveillance and making the larger population distrustful of them.

Muhammad Sulaiman, a stalwart of the mainstream Central Mosque here, was penniless when he arrived from the Kashmiri frontier of Pakistan in 1956. He raised money to build the Central Mosque here and now leads a campaign to ban Al Muhajiroun radicals from the city's 10 mosques.

"This is show-off business," he says in accented English. "I don't want these kids in my mosque."

Other community leaders look to the government to do something, if only to help prevent the demonization of British Muslims, or "Islamophobia," as some here call it.

"I think these kids are being brainwashed by a few radical clerics," said Akhbar Dad Khan, another elder of the Central Mosque. He wants them prosecuted or deported. "We should be able to control this negativity," he said.

In Slough, Sheik Omar spent much of his time Thursday night regaling his young followers with the erotic delights of paradise — sweet kisses and the pleasures of bathing with scores of women — while he also preached the virtues of death in Islamic struggle as a ticket to paradise.

He spoke of terrorism as the new norm of cultural conflict, "the fashion of the 21st century," practiced as much by Tony Blair as by Al Qaeda.

"We may be caught up in the target as the people of Manhattan were," he told them.

And he warned Western leaders, "You may kill bin Laden, but the phenomenon, you cannot kill it — you cannot destroy it."

"Our Muslim brothers from abroad will come one day and conquer here and then we will live under Islam in dignity," he said.

Patrick E. Tyler reported from Luton, Slough and London and Don Van Natta Jr. from London. Souad Mekhennet contributed reporting from Germany.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: civilizations; islam; jihadineurope; militants; muslims; war
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
The authorities say that laws to protect religious expression and civil liberties have the result of limiting what they can do to stop hateful speech.

Bull; they're just cowards. What Justice Jackson said applies to the Brits as well as to us, and they don't even have a First Amendment: "The Constitution is not a suicide pact."

141 posted on 04/26/2004 1:49:23 PM PDT by mrustow
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Time to take out the trash.
142 posted on 04/26/2004 1:53:08 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: Kozak
The Turks besieged Vienna in 1683.

Until they were defeated on September 11, 1683. Think they're still a little sore about that anniversary?

143 posted on 04/26/2004 1:54:35 PM PDT by SauronOfMordor (That which does not kill me had better be able to run away damn fast.)
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To: Barlowmaker
What is your experience? Don't tell me "The Navy", because that's not "travelling the world". What experience do you have as a civilian?

My time was spent over several years from the time that Jakarta was called Batavia. Mostly with commercial companies, sometimes for the oil industry. Egypt, Bahrain, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Pakistan, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipines and a few more. Each time was only for a few days, but if I had to encapsulate it, I would say six months to a year. Yes, I have spent some time in the military too. Does that make it irrellevant?

Good enough?

144 posted on 04/26/2004 2:21:36 PM PDT by navyblue
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To: OK
ping for later
145 posted on 04/26/2004 2:25:46 PM PDT by priceofreedom (On A Roadmap To Hell)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Actually they just have to be declared unacceptable. A modest government decree could sound something like this: "After careful consideration, we have concluded that Muslims, in general, are unstable and a tad wacky. Therefore, as of May 1, 2004 it will be unlawful to practice the Muslim religion in the United States of America. All followers of that religion will not be allowed to reside in, or visit, the USA or any of it's territories. Goodbye and have a nice day."
146 posted on 04/26/2004 2:37:36 PM PDT by Eighth Square
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To: navyblue
Is it possible you were disliked because you are dislikable?
147 posted on 04/26/2004 2:39:36 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Former Proud Canadian
Yes, agreed with some of it. This is very true. It took 2 big bombs to convince Emperor Hirohito that he was not a "god".

The bad news is that is does not take standing armies of millions or hundreds of thousands to take out whole cities any longer. Whereas the Germans and Japanese had difficult, yet obtainable goal this war is not a winnable victory to the terrorists, only death and loss, more death and loss.

The solution we pursued in Afghanistan was a success in many ways. Go in on the ground and destroy the infrastructure. This will need to happen with Syria, Iran and North Korea. As the US follows this strategy, the bigger geopolitical powers (especially China) who help fund these entities to weaken us and get us spread militarily will become directly involved.

I will save the tinfoil hat speak as much as possible, but this looks more like a bigger, war plan rather than a suicidal bunch of thugs fighting a losing battle.
148 posted on 04/26/2004 3:00:25 PM PDT by quant5
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To: Hermann the Cherusker; cyborg
I know a lovely (in many ways) lass from London who is of East Indian ancestry who is just as English as Tony Blair, albeit prettier than Mrs. Blair. The Moose-limbs are an entirely different story.
149 posted on 04/26/2004 3:04:45 PM PDT by Clemenza ("Knowledge is Good" --- Emil Faber, Founder of Faber College)
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To: Clemenza
Some are nitpickers when coming to racial purity. How are people supposed to assilimate into English culture if people won't ever see them as being Brits? A lot of these debates with the muslims is because their religious life/culture doesn't take well to assimilation. BTW, there are many white muslims and they fit in about as much as their more brown tinted kin. Some of the old tossers rather have skinheads than assimilated Pakistanis.
150 posted on 04/26/2004 3:10:00 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: Eighth Square
To get this discussion back on track, the internment of "enemy aliens" has happened several times in the United States. The most famous example is the civil war when the much venerated Lincoln suspended habeous corpus and jailed politicians, newspaper publishers, just about anybody who opposed his war effort. During WWII, of course, internment camps housed Japanese, German, and Italian sympathizers in Canada and the US. There is precedence and it can happen again.
151 posted on 04/26/2004 3:18:33 PM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Barlowmaker; nuconvert
"I have Muslim business associates whom I trust and admire, and consider good friends. I've broken bread with them, met their wives and children. Anyone who proposes to line them up and shoot them, because they are practicing Muslims, will have to go through me first. "




This is the attitude that makes America great. I support your stand and should the horrible time ever come, I'll be with you defending your friends.

I'm sick of the argument so common on these threads (however quickly the comments are pulled) that advocate the murder of my friends, millions of American citizens and one-fifth of the world's people. It's our duty as Americans to stand up against tyranny and defend ourselves against all enemies, foreign and domestic and without regard to religious differences. If that means I'm against "Muslisms" who threaten and kill Christians, so be it. If that means I'm against "Christians" who threaten and kill Muslims, so be it.
152 posted on 04/26/2004 4:30:22 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: Former Proud Canadian; cyborg
Not just Japanese "sympathizers," of course...

To try to tie two discussions together, "ethnic" Japanese were imprisioned for no reason other than their background. Citizens, some second, third and fourth generation Americans who were fully "assimilated" (which is a fairly ridiculous notion when you think about fourth generation American families in a country full of immigrants) and still seen as different.
153 posted on 04/26/2004 4:39:35 PM PDT by zimdog
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To: zimdog
I know people who are 'muslims in name only',etc. I agree with you.
154 posted on 04/26/2004 4:51:46 PM PDT by cyborg
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To: cyborg; zimdog
Nobody can argue that Islam badly needs a reformation.

That will occur, in my opinion, when Muslims begin to enjoy the fruits of freedom, security and prosperity. The extremists will become quickly marginalized when they no longer are useful to the despots who oppress and loot their people and nations.

zimdog, thanks for the support in a previous post. It's almost bizarre that opposition to the concept of indiscriminate genocide needs to be articulated ... and subsequently defended.

The "Kill them All" sentiment is either silly "I'm a real hardaa$$" Internet one upsmanship, or more contemptibly, an active campaign to discredit conservatives and blow up support for this vital mission.

I have a sense that the people most eager to "rubblize" Fallujah with MOABs or nukes are folks who don't want us in Iraq at all. They just don't have the basic integrity to reveal their isolationist appeasement ideology.
155 posted on 04/26/2004 5:22:54 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: zimdog; Barlowmaker
Thanks for the ping.

Well said, both of you.
156 posted on 04/26/2004 6:06:55 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Valin; Luis Gonzalez
Ping

And ping to #108
157 posted on 04/26/2004 6:11:09 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: Barlowmaker
BTW - Welcome to FR
158 posted on 04/26/2004 6:12:30 PM PDT by nuconvert ("America will never be intimidated by thugs and assassins." ...( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: nuconvert
Thank you for the welcome. It's the second welcome on this thread (first was "Grow a pair newbie"). :-)

My first post here was in reaction to the "Kill them All" sentiment after the desecration of the four security contractors in late March.

Reactions like that are so counter-productive to our success in Iraq, so in sync with the overkill the terror agents wish to achieve from these brutal high-profile events, that it sometimes seems a small vocal minority of folks here want Bush and America to fail in this mission.
159 posted on 04/26/2004 6:32:02 PM PDT by Barlowmaker
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To: Barlowmaker
Welcome to FR. Please forgive the heat - a lot of people understand that we are at war with a shadowy subset of Islam and don't want to take the chance that the ones who are not at war with aren't simply lying about it. After 3000 dead in NY I cut 'em some slack, and I consider them friends even though we disagree on this matter.

But they're wrong here. What is actually happening in Islam is that a small, violent, fanatical, and very militant strain of it has been fantastically enriched by oil wealth and unleashed on an otherwise reasonably pacific community, in an autocratic culture with no real control over the ones with the weapons. It isn't as if "decent" Muslims haven't fought back, they have, most recently in Algeria and Egypt, and they've been slaughtered for their efforts. The militants are now enough of a problem to justify the state-level intervention that the United States has belatedly offered, and I would defend our Iraq policy on that account to any critic in the world.

For those who are convinced that they're all out to get us, I have two offerings - first, that it simply isn't true historically; for four centuries or so it hasn't been Moslem aggression that's killed millions, it's been Marxist, and to a lesser degree pagan and Hindu, and Shinto, and yes, Christian. The difference now is that the bad boys have money, guns, and a zest for using both. The second thing I'd like to point out is that yes, the Koran does call for the forcible conversion of the infidel - unless the infidel is of the "Peoples of the Book" - i.e. Jewish or Christian, which religions share the founding documents claimed by Islam as well. This point means, and it has been pointed out by Muslim critics braver than I, that bin Laden and the Wahhabis and the Ayatollahs who have said specifically that there are no innocent, are in fact heretics and blasphemers. It is truly worth one's life to say it, but it's true.

All of this is caught up in a worldwide purging of the foulness and poisons that have accumulated during the Cold War - the ethnic hatreds suppressed by state force, the bipolar stability now shattered, the hatred for the winners by the losers and for the rich by the poor. If we can keep our heads through all this and not simply kill anyone that threatens we just might pull the world through all this. If not, nighttime, and I'm not joking.

160 posted on 04/26/2004 6:37:25 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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