1) Declaring the entire religion a "terrorist organization"
2) "Filling concentration camps"
3) "making this the most unpleasant place in the world to be mooselimb"
There were several positive replies to this post and a couple unrelated posts in the same vein.
What some call "a dream". I call a living nightmare.
Terrorism involves the indiscriminate targeting of civilians - - men, women, and children - - to achieve a particular end.
I won't post to a thread where people openly advocate terrorism, others silently approve, and the rest simply say nothing.
I thought that could only happen with a jihadi thread . . . or a mosque . . .
We should practice what we preach . . .what if we were to give the folks on this board 24 hours to denounce certain posts . . .or else . . .?
You who are without sin can go cast that first stone at your local mosque.
After this coming attack, I'm sure there will be no shortage of self-righteous volunteers. It is a great pity that they will not be able to see that they will have become what they so hate themselves.
They will have become jihadis themselves.
News flash - - Mr. Mohammed and Mr. Malvo were black, Mr. Padilla was hispanic, and there are plenty of "lily white" terrorists as well (Gadahn for instance).
When you start to fill your "concentration camps", won't they start to look like America?
Won't it be America that you have imprisoned?
And when the "concentration camps" fill, and the attacks increase because of the monstrous injustice you have inflicted on the innocent, will you have to resort to some type of "final solution". After all, there can be no coexistence?
Can there?
After all, the "entire religion" is a "terrorist organization". And terrorists must be found out and destroyed.
Don't they?
At the end of time, we will be held accountable for every word we have spoken (and written). I will have much for which I will have to answer, but I will not allow myself to be held accountable for this.
Watch carefully, as the terror escalates *there*, what you are seeing *here* is the birth of little baby jihadis, conceived in fear and hate, dividing the world into "us" and "them", and advocating our own "holy war" against "them" - - not against the killers, not against their sponsors - - just "them".
Even with Sodom and Gommorah, God said He would spare the place - - that entire putrid cesspool, if He could find ten just men.
Will he find them here? And will he spare us?
A word to the wise - - if you believe you will one day be called to give account for what you say and do - - every careless word - - then you should be most alarmed at what you are seeing here - - broadbrushed demonization of an entire class of Americans (millions who bear the misfortune of being called "Muslim"), encouragement to discover the locations of local mosques, and calls to terrorize and imprison the innocent. And this is just the start . . .
Asteroids, "prophetic utterances", and conspiracy theories are one thing.
Advocacy of terrorism is another.
I don't post to jihadi threads, so I won't post to what some would like to make a mirror image.
Parting advice for the dark days ahead:
"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good".
(Romans 12:21)
I've read your post three times. . .sobering. . .who are you?
I can only echo "bored at work." I've read your post FOUR times. SOBERING. Who ARE you?
******************************************************************* 95% of that bunch have not stepped up ONCE to denounce what their brothers and sisters in religion are doing. Not once. Not after the embassy bombings. Not after the Cole. Not after WTC1. Not after 9-11. Not after any of the beheadings. Danny Pearl, Nick Berg, Paul Johnson, Kim Seon-il and whoever is next (they have more hostages including our soldiers)
Let's not forget all the independent contractors in Iraq and Saudi Arabia that they have murdered. What about the ones dragged through the street and those burned and hung from a bridge? Which muslim group stepped up to that plate to denounce any of that?
Not to mention all the plots to kill us that have been thwarted.
Their religion preaches hatred & brainwashes their children in the madrasas.
Should we just forgive them all these murders?
Are you saying we can't hate them? Can I hate them after they kill another 3,000 or 30,000?
Since I have never murdered anyone I think I can cast that stone against them.
These people are savage barbarians living in the early centuries of murder and mayhem. If we don't get tough with them all I fear we are doomed. Our life in this country will NEVER be the same.
I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say here.
I don't think We are advocating terrorism. WE want it to stop. Whatever it takes to make them STOP is what we want. If we have to get tough with them so be it. That's all they know anyway, it's the only way to stop them. Fighting fire with fire!! WE are trying to do what we can to smoke them out rather than sticking our head in the sand and repeating the mantra of the DUmmies that "ALL IS WELL, LA LA LA"
From your post:
"I won't post to a thread where people openly advocate terrorism, others silently approve, and the rest simply say nothing."
Look, I guess things must read differently, to me, anyway. I don't see any advocation of terrorism. I see dedicated, sincere people trying to help out, locate things, connect patterns, ferret out information. SOME of the information uncovered can have the tendency to ruffle feathers. In fact, some of it can make even the meekest of us, very angry. It passes, the anger, and things resume.
If the REAL terrorist succeed in their plans, they've promised to hit us so hard, we'll be too busy burying our dead to worry about anything else. Maybe you'll find some comfort in that we might not be able to fight back or harm any of the evil doers, other than with what is left of our military.
I read their words. I listen to their statements of intent. I know where they say their heart is. I know where my heart is. There is NOTHING I won't do to protect myself and my family against those who want to come into MY Country and do me harm. If, in your opinion, that makes me as bad as them, then so be it. And, yes, I firmly believe, based on the Jihad statements I've read, the pictures I've seen, what I've seen of their governments and belief systems, there is very much, an US and THEM.
Very, very well said.
WELL SAID.
I AGREE.
VERY TRUE.
. . . committed to being more careful.
I'm not through with you yet.
From your post:
"After all, there can be no coexistence?
Can there?"
I don't know. Do you? Have you seen anything in their Jihad retoric to indicate THEY believe in coexistence?
What would YOU do, should you run into someone who wants to 'off with your head?' Providing you have a chance to fight back, what will you do?
For me, the answer is simple and is called self defense. NOT advocating terrorism!
You've said what I feel.
But the WAY you say things, Nothingman....is a gift.
You'll believe me when I tell you that tears are streaming down my face.
We need you here. I need you here.
*****
There ARE things we can do. There are peaceful changes we can advocate.
I've got ideas, but need partners in faith...
Whether Christian, Jew, Muslim, Buddhist or whatever.
Goodness will prevail.
Very sobering and thought provoking.
I offer no excuses for my silence; in a world gone crazy, the temptation to make such utterances is oftentimes overpowering. I cast no stones, for those very thoughts have crossed my mind if not my lips. Does that make it right to say such things? No. Does it mean that if given the chance we would act on it? Speaking for myself, No again.
It is our way of venting at the engulfing unfairness of planes being flown into buildings and nightly beheadings on the 6 o'clock news. It's the same way I bitch about inept management in my workplace. I may scream out against favoritism and ineptitude of all management, when in actuality I mean only a fraction of offenders within the ranks.
I DO NOT lump an entire group of people into a category; the terrorists we are talking about here are Muslim (and they make that fact abundantly clear), and not all Muslims are terrorists. BUT: the very silence you damn us for is echoing loudly in the Muslim community wholesale. If they do not ascribe to the deplorable actions of a renegade few, then let them voice their disapproval. The silence is deafening, save for a brave few.
Better yet, let the peacable Muslims root out the evil among themselves; they are in a unique position to do so, but I haven't seen that happening. It is widely reported there are over 200 terrorist cells already within the borders of this great nation. I doubt they are existing in a vacuum, but I hear of no mosques turning over members of Al Qaeda, Hizbollah or Hamas. And yet we report crimes on a daily basis because we want the perpetrator to be caught and peace to prevail, even if the one who committed it is blond-haired, blue-eyed and a "Christian."
I do not view all Muslims as the enemy, and I doubt few here do. When we categorize an entire religion or race as "evil" we run the risk of echoing the damnable rhetoric of Hitler. I have an uncle who gave his life to help ensure the rest of the world did not fall into the clutches of Nazism. I do not want to lose any more of my precious family to a similar cause.
Do we, as law-abiding US citizens deserve to live in fear of what the next terrorist group is going to threaten or even carry out against this great nation just because we are a free people? Why do the terrorists hate us so much? Is it because we have taken our freedom to the extreme? Freedom to drink, so we drink 1 or 2 or 10 and then get behind the wheel and leave a mother to mourn the son we mowed down in our excess. Freedom of access, so we download porn to our computers and leave our families in ruins. Is this why they hate us? They see our freedom taken to extreme because we fail to see that with freedom comes responsibility.
So I guess what I'm saying is... there must be a balance to everything. We cannot afford to live in a vacuum of ignorance, and yet we cannot judge with a harsher standard than that which we want for ourselves.