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APA Symposium Debates Whether Pedophilia, Gender-Identity Disorder...Should Remain Mental Illnesses
NARTH ^ | June 12, 2003 | Linda Ames Nicolosi

Posted on 06/22/2004 10:22:56 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist

On May 19th, 2003 in San Francisco, at a symposium hosted by the American Psychiatric Association, several long-recognized categories of mental illnesses were discussed for possible removal from the upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Among the mental illnesses being debated in the symposium at the APA's annual convention were all the paraphilias--which include pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism, and sadomasochism.

Also being debated was Gender-Identity Disorder, a condition in which a person feels persistent discomfort with his or her biological sex. Gay activists have long claimed that Gender-Identity Disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal when, they say, it is usually an expression of healthy prehomosexuality.

Dr. Robert Spitzer responded to the symposium as a discussant, urging that the paraphilias and gender-identity disorder be retained in the psychiatric manual.

(Excerpt) Read more at narth.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: apa; disorders; gaysneedhelp; genderiddisorder; homosexualagenda; mentalhealth; narth; paraphilias; pederasty; pedophilia; prisoners; psychiatry; psychology
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Dr. Spitzer commented at the symposium that it is a sign of how low the psychiatric community has sunk that theses paraphilias could possibly be recognized as signs of true human flourishing. As well, it was argued there at the symposium, by some, that if the same standard under which the APA "normalized" homosexuality were applied to these paraphilias then these paraphilias should also be deemed "normal."

And at least one of theses paraphilia's is being taught within California schools as 'ok', and we are even seeing one of these paraphilias being addressed, in a generally cute and funny way, within the movie "Shrek2"

If you want additional sources concerning this symposium, besides Narth, just Google: APA symposium Gender-Identity Disorder, or any of the other paraphilia's. Sure the APA generally condemned pedophilia, but the topic was still allowed to come up for discussion at the symposium, as well as were the other mental disorders.

1 posted on 06/22/2004 10:23:00 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Moral relativism at its worst. And does it get any more oxymoronic than 'healthy prehomosexuality?' I just puked in my mouth.


2 posted on 06/22/2004 10:27:12 AM PDT by ICX (Makin movies, makin songs, and fightin' round the world!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
American Psychiatric Association

You will never find a bigger collection of perverts than the Mental Health industry. The higher up the food chain, the sicker the practitioner. Psychiatrists, Psychologists, Therapists and those who work with them are proportionally more likely to be perverts and addicts.

3 posted on 06/22/2004 10:30:31 AM PDT by Zevonismymuse
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

In addition to the rewriting of histroy, the left strives to rewrite science and truth in general to adapt to its agenda. Reality is contrary to leftist thinking.


4 posted on 06/22/2004 10:30:48 AM PDT by Spok
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
The Marxist assault on tradition and the family continues.

These people are fanatics who want to destroy us.

5 posted on 06/22/2004 10:30:50 AM PDT by Reactionary
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Now THIS -is- a subject that is worthy of attention.

As I was trying to point out in your Shrek II thread - there are many serious issues on the subject matter that need attention. Picking at inconsequential jokes in "Shrek II" only serves to discredit legitimate concerns about things like this. I'm not saying this to be a jerk. I'm saying this cause I agree with the overall point being made, but taking it too far can lose a lot of necessary allies.

Qwinn


6 posted on 06/22/2004 10:31:26 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: ICX
While of course not condoning ANY of these deviant behaviors, it would seem to me that by removing them from the category of mental ILLNESS that it would make it much easier for law enforcement to seek harsher sentences for such persons when the law is broken, since they may no longer hide behind their "Illness" from the law.......pedophilia comes to mind immediately.
7 posted on 06/22/2004 10:32:07 AM PDT by tristam
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

The *business* of psychiatry/psychology is more often than not operated by psychos and while some of what they do may be art, it certainly is *not* science. Why anyone pays attention to what these contemptible industries has to say, I don't know. Why professional con-men are still allowed to testify in court remains beyond me. What else can anyone say about a snake-oil industry founded on the ravings of a 19th century cokehead?


8 posted on 06/22/2004 10:36:33 AM PDT by agitator (...And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark)
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To: tristam

But see, you're an intelligent, rational person who sees this in an intelligent, rational way. These sick f***s gush over 'gender confusion' and pedophilia as strange and wonderful entities - not deviant, abhorrent behaviors that should be punished by wooden spoon castration.

They're not seeking to criminalize pedophilia - they're seeking to normalize it, just like they did with homosexuality.


9 posted on 06/22/2004 10:36:49 AM PDT by ICX (Makin movies, makin songs, and fightin' round the world!)
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To: tristam

Good point. Pedophilia shouldn't be considered a mental illness. It should be prosecuted along the lines of murder and dealt with as severely.


10 posted on 06/22/2004 10:36:51 AM PDT by Captain Rabbit (Kuck Ferry. Kuck Fofi.)
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To: Van Jenerette

...for class discussion.


11 posted on 06/22/2004 10:40:48 AM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic - If we can Keep it!)
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To: Qwinn

I started with that Shrek2 movie. I added how paraphilia's such as transvesticism were included within the movie Shrek2, like pinnochio lying about wearing womens underwear, how that California schools are teaching that transvesticism is 'ok' and was going to cap it off with this.

When you look at the movie, California schools, and now this it brings it all together.


12 posted on 06/22/2004 11:00:49 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: ICX

I thought the same thing when I saw the words "healthy prehomosexuality?" Homosexuality is uniformly unhealthy. One who practices homosexuality will die years ahead of a heterosexual. On average, homosexuals live around 20-25 yeras less than heterosexuals. And they are far more likely to contract AIDS. The CDC says that 50% homosexual men will ultimately contract HIV. They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers. The list goes on and on.


13 posted on 06/22/2004 11:04:31 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Captain Rabbit

Ditto


14 posted on 06/22/2004 11:04:33 AM PDT by Former
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To: tristam

That's a common sense way to look at it. How things play out on the ground is a whole nother matter. Most states can keep sexual predators locked up after they've served prison time by showing society has a continued need to keep them from release, as they are "a continuing threat to society". "Normalize" deviancy & you take a tool away from the judicial system. The next step would be to try to decriminalize the activities. Notice how part of the push to change the standard involves saying there is insufficient proof of any harm to the children victimized. I've read elsewhere about that & it's been said society's negative attitude is a bigger problem for the children, than the actions of the perp.


15 posted on 06/22/2004 11:06:39 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: Zevonismymuse

The staff in mental institutions are required to wear distinctive name-tags.


16 posted on 06/22/2004 11:09:10 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: ICX

But, it appears that they are attempting to normalize transvesticism, Gender-Identity Disoreder, Sexual Sadism, etc first. I imagine that if and when(God help us)they get all the other paraphilias "normalized", like they did with homosexuality, that they will ultimately go for "normalizing" pedophilia/pederasty. Most likely they will save pedophilia/pederasty for last.


17 posted on 06/22/2004 11:09:56 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Captain Rabbit

The most creative way to deal with it that I've seen would be to put the guys pecker into a vice anchored in the middle of a small wooden building, give him a butcher knife & set the building on fire.


18 posted on 06/22/2004 11:10:31 AM PDT by GoLightly
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To: agitator

If it can't be stated in one sentence, it isn't understood.


19 posted on 06/22/2004 11:10:41 AM PDT by Old Professer (Interests in common are commonly abused.)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
These are the same brilliant clowns that said homosexuality was not a mental illness. Liberalism is a mental illness. Shoving a pipe or any other foreign object up the Hershey highway is nothing but the highest form or perversion.

Romans 1:25-27 Who changed the truth of God into a lie and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed forever Amen. (26) For this cause God cave them up unto vile affections for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:(27) And likewise also the men leaving the natural use of the woman burned in their lust one toward another men with men working that which is unseemly and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

20 posted on 06/22/2004 11:23:34 AM PDT by Warrior Nurse (Black & white liberals practice intellectual apartheid when in comes to black conservatives!)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers.

What the.....BWAHAHAHAHAHA!

FMCDH(BITS)

21 posted on 06/22/2004 11:24:51 AM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: agitator

Most psychiatric organizations lost all right to claim themsleves to be "credible" long ago. Most have been infiltrated with activists like the gay activists did to the American Psychiatric Association when they caused general disruption of their conventions before the APA caved into their agenda.

Even the pro-homosexual scientist Levay stated that it was clearly gay activism that caused the APA to "normalize" homosexuality in 1973.


22 posted on 06/22/2004 11:26:43 AM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

OK...Let me help.


Yes.


23 posted on 06/22/2004 11:27:52 AM PDT by sharktrager (George Clooney has rubber nipples.)
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To: nothingnew
They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers.

This is a form of smoking that I totally unfamiliar with.....

24 posted on 06/22/2004 11:37:00 AM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Onelifetogive
They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers.

I guess the risk is compounded for gay smokers.

25 posted on 06/22/2004 11:45:04 AM PDT by petercooper (Now, who's this Joe Mayo everyone's talking about?)
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To: GoLightly
give him a butcher knife rusty hacksaw blade & set the building on fire.
26 posted on 06/22/2004 11:45:14 AM PDT by OSHA (This is a loaner. My real tagline is in the shop.)
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To: tristam
Exactly what I was thinking. Declassify pedophilia. Let these scum rot in prison, in the general population. Why send them to psychiatric hospitals where they will all too soon be declared "cured"? As if there is a cure for this.

Actually, having pedophilias in the general population of a prison IS a cure. Once they're dead, they're cured.

27 posted on 06/22/2004 11:52:32 AM PDT by grellis (What's a rooster and mashed potatos have to do with being a pirate?)
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To: GoLightly
"Normalize" deviancy & you take a tool away from the judicial system.

Prisoners have their own "judicial system" when it comes to dealing with pedophiles.

28 posted on 06/22/2004 11:54:49 AM PDT by grellis (What's a rooster and mashed potatos have to do with being a pirate?)
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To: ICX
They're not seeking to criminalize pedophilia - they're seeking to normalize it, just like they did with homosexuality....

Rape was a capital offense, and was punishable with death. We live in a society where there is no honor, only the need for self... (for definition, see Bill Clinton)!

29 posted on 06/22/2004 12:01:38 PM PDT by pageonetoo (Rights, what Rights'. You're kidding, right? This is Amerika!)
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To: Qwinn

Unfortunately, Shrek II is germane to this discussion. I have not seen it, but understand that it has some references to sexually deviant behavior as a source of humor.

The problem is that popular culture is where ideas become "normalized". Who would have thought 20 years ago that there would be umpteen network shows that included gay behavior as part of the plotline. Or, for that matter, the multiple sexual encounters of a bunch of women? Or that any reference to Jesus, other than as a swear word of course, would be come culturally unacceptable?

There are some interesting articles out there about the progression of ideas. If it were only an incidental reference in Shrek II, wouldn't be a problem, but trust me - that won't be where it ends.


30 posted on 06/22/2004 12:04:41 PM PDT by Wicket (God bless and protect our troops and God bless America)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist; DCPatriot

Are these the folks that Pres. Bush wants to use to screen the rest of us for mental illness?


31 posted on 06/22/2004 12:10:12 PM PDT by Little Ray (John Ffing sKerry: Just a gigolo!)
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To: nothingnew
They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers.

If "anal smoking" is a problem for them, they should try more lubricant....

32 posted on 06/22/2004 12:12:57 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: Wicket
Unfortunately, Shrek II is germane to this discussion.

I agree. Taken alone it means nothing, but as part of a bigger picture it means much more - a shift to legal and moral acceptance of deviant behavior. The supreme court, liberal federal courts, state supreme courts, and the teacher's unions, not to mention the pc/diversity industry crowd, are all to blame. Fortunately, nature is on our side (std's have a way of showing up if you have a lot of sex with a lot of different people).

33 posted on 06/22/2004 2:27:59 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: nothingnew

Bwahhahaha back at ya'.

The risk of anal cancer "soars" by nearly 4,000% for men who have sex with men. The rate doubles again for those who are HIV positive. A michigan homosexual newspaper admits there is no such thing as "safe sex" to prevent this "soaring" cancer risk. Condoms only offer limited protection. (1)

1.Between the Lines "Anal Cancer and You". September 29, 2000


The risk of anal cancer for men who smoke increases by only 40%.

Who's laughing now? It sure isn't you.


34 posted on 06/22/2004 4:23:06 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Onelifetogive
"This is a form of smoking that I am totally unfamiliar with" That's odd you would make a statement like that, you being a "brainiac" and all. Read about the rate of cancer risk soaring by nearly 4000% for men who have receptive anal intercourse(that I posted for another "brainiac".)
35 posted on 06/22/2004 4:26:12 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: petercooper

It is compounded for gay smokers. Men who smoke increase their odds of getting anal cancer by nearly 40% compared to those men who do not smoke.

Homosexuals(who engage in receptive anal intercourse) increase their odds of getting anal cancer by nearly 4000%.


36 posted on 06/22/2004 4:28:27 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Onelifetogive

"Anal smoking" isn't what is "smoking" their rear ends. Something else is. And it is increasing their odds of getting anal cancer by nearly 4000%.


37 posted on 06/22/2004 4:32:12 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Stillwaters

Oh, brother! ping.


38 posted on 06/22/2004 4:33:23 PM PDT by lonevoice (Some things have to be believed to be seen)
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

Of course liberals believe people with fetishes and paraphillias are just misunderstood. So its no surprise the APA is debating to remove this stuff from the manual of mental disorders.


39 posted on 06/22/2004 4:36:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

...And the APA will probably "normalize" pedophilia, sexual-sadism, transvesticism along the same lines that they "normalized" homosexuality... or at least they will attempt to.

You can rest assured that they will at least attempt to.


40 posted on 06/22/2004 4:49:30 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Warrior Nurse

..."but shoving a pipe up the Hershey highway" to them is a type of "liberation" from traditional societal norms that have been maintained for thousands of years.

I don't call that "liberation". It is what it is: sick behavior.


41 posted on 06/22/2004 5:05:58 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
Who's laughing now? It sure isn't you.

Yes I am...BWAHAHAHA! BTW, do you smoke?

FMCDH(BITS)

42 posted on 06/22/2004 5:31:48 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: Zevonismymuse
I've maintained for years that a great many persons going into mental health only go into the field because they're trying to figure out just what the hell is wrong with themselves.
43 posted on 06/22/2004 5:37:43 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist

bump


44 posted on 06/22/2004 5:52:51 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I'm with you....and many frequent places like, 'The Chateau' where they can have Mistress Madelyne spank them.... ;)


45 posted on 06/22/2004 5:59:33 PM PDT by BossLady (What do your choices cost you????)
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To: BossLady

Spank you very much.


46 posted on 06/22/2004 6:15:14 PM PDT by searchandrecovery (Socialist America - diseased and dysfunctional.)
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To: nothingnew

You said BWAHAHAHAH...when I stated that they(homosexuals) are at a far higher risk of anal cancer as compared to smokers, to which I gave the proof that they are, as stated in the homosexual newspaper "Between the Lines".

If you can say that you are still laughing after I proved you wrong then you obviously are able to laugh in the face of defeat.

An admirable quality, to say the least.

No, I don't smoke....do you?


47 posted on 06/22/2004 7:04:26 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Psycho_Bunny

I guess misery loves company. As well, I should say that the mental health pro's who counsel those who come to see them is like the lunatics guarding the insane asylum.


48 posted on 06/22/2004 7:06:44 PM PDT by Laissez-faire capitalist
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To: Laissez-faire capitalist
They are at a far higher risk of anal cancer, as compared to smokers.

That was your line and I found it humorous, as in smokers get anal cancer by smoking thru their ass. It just struck me as funny. I realize I haven't studied anal cancer at all, as I know you have. Please pardon me.

I'm deeply saddened that you have no sense of humor.

FMCDH(BITS)

49 posted on 06/22/2004 8:29:01 PM PDT by nothingnew (KERRY: "If at first you don't deceive, lie, lie again!")
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To: *Homosexual Agenda; EdReform; scripter; GrandMoM; backhoe; Yehuda; Clint N. Suhks; saradippity; ...

Homosexual Agenda Ping - The last ping of the night (I hope!).

It's actually an article from last year, but very relevant. Fits in with other things. Such as the previous "Shrek" thread.

Chime in, if you like!

Let me (or Scripter) know if anyone wants on/off this pinglist.


50 posted on 06/22/2004 8:56:39 PM PDT by little jeremiah (http://www.mikegabbard.com - a REAL conservative running for Congress from Hawaii!)
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