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Speed of light may have changed recently
New Scientist ^ | 6/30/04 | Eugenie Samuel Reich

Posted on 06/30/2004 1:35:28 PM PDT by NukeMan

Speed of light may have changed recently

19:00 30 June 04

The speed of light, one of the most sacrosanct of the universal physical constants, may have been lower as recently as two billion years ago - and not in some far corner of the universe, but right here on Earth.

The controversial finding is turning up the heat on an already simmering debate, especially since it is based on re-analysis of old data that has long been used to argue for exactly the opposite: the constancy of the speed of light and other constants.

A varying speed of light contradicts Einstein's theory of relativity, and would undermine much of traditional physics. But some physicists believe it would elegantly explain puzzling cosmological phenomena such as the nearly uniform temperature of the universe. It might also support string theories that predict extra spatial dimensions.

The fine structure constant

The threat to the idea of an invariable speed of light comes from measurements of another parameter called the fine structure constant, or alpha, which dictates the strength of the electromagnetic force. The speed of light is inversely proportional to alpha, and though alpha also depends on two other constants (see graphic), many physicists tend to interpret a change in alpha as a change in the speed of light. It is a valid simplification, says Victor Flambaum of the University of New South Wales in Sydney.

It was Flambaum, along with John Webb and colleagues, who first seriously challenged alpha's status as a constant in 1998. Then, after exhaustively analysing how the light from distant quasars was absorbed by intervening gas clouds, they claimed in 2001 that alpha had increased by a few parts in 105 in the past 12 billion years.

Natural nuclear reactor

But then German researchers studying photons emitted by caesium and hydrogen atoms reported earlier in June that they had seen no change in alpha to within a few parts in 1015 over the period from 1999 to 2003 (New Scientist, 26 June) though the result does not rule out that alpha was changing billions of years ago.

Throughout the debate, physicists who argued against any change in alpha have had one set of data to fall back on. It comes from the world's only known natural nuclear reactor, found at Oklo in Gabon, West Africa.

The Oklo reactor started up nearly two billion years ago when groundwater filtered through crevices in the rocks and mixed with uranium ore to trigger a fission reaction that was sustained for hundreds of thousands of years. Several studies that have analysed the relative concentrations of radioactive isotopes left behind at Oklo have concluded that nuclear reactions then were much the same as they are today, which implies alpha was the same too.

That is because alpha directly influences the ratio of these isotopes. In a nuclear chain reaction like the one that occurred at Oklo, the fission of each uranium-235 nucleus produces neutrons, and nearby nuclei can capture these neutrons.

For example, samarium-149 captures a neutron to become samarium-150, and since the rate of neutron capture depends on the value of alpha, the ratio of the two samarium isotopes in samples collected from Oklo can be used to calculate alpha.

A number of studies done since Oklo was discovered have found no change in alpha over time. "People started quoting the reactor [data] as firm evidence that the constants hadn't changed," says Steve Lamoreaux of Los Alamos National Lab (LANL) in Albuquerque, New Mexico.

Energy spectrum

Now, Lamoreaux, along with LANL colleague Justin Torgerson, has re-analysed the Oklo data using what he says are more realistic figures for the energy spectrum of the neutrons present in the reactor. The results have surprised him. Alpha, it seems, has decreased by more than 4.5 parts in 108 since Oklo was live (Physical Review D, vol 69, p121701).

That translates into a very small increase in the speed of light (assuming no change in the other constants that alpha depends on), but Lamoreaux's new analysis is so precise that he can rule out the possibility of zero change in the speed of light. "It's pretty exciting," he says.

So far the re-examination of the Oklo data has not drawn any fire. "The analysis is fine," says Thibault Damour of the Institute of Advanced Scientific Studies (IHES) in Bures-sur-Yvette in France, who co-authored a 1996 Oklo study that found no change in alpha. Peter Moller of LANL, who, along with Japanese researchers, published a paper in 2000 about the Oklo reactor that also found no change in alpha, says that Lamoreaux's assumptions are reasonable.

The analysis might be sound, and the assumptions reasonable, but some physicists are reluctant to accept the conclusions. "I can't see a particular mistake," says Flambaum. "However, the claim is so revolutionary there should be many independent confirmations."

While Flambaum's own team found that alpha was different 12 billion years ago, the new Oklo result claims that alpha was changing as late as two billion years ago. If other methods confirm the Oklo finding, it will leave physicists scrambling for new theories. "It's like opening a gateway," says Dmitry Budker, a colleague of Lamoreaux's at the University of California at Berkeley.

Horizon problem

Some physicists would happily accept a variable alpha. For example, if it had been lower in the past, meaning a higher speed of light, it would solve the "horizon problem".

Cosmologists have struggled to explain why far-flung regions of the universe are at roughly the same temperature. It implies that these regions were once close enough to exchange energy and even out the temperature, yet current models of the early universe prevent this from happening, unless they assume an ultra-fast expansion right after the big bang.

However, a higher speed of light early in the history of the universe would allow energy to pass between these areas in the form of light.

Variable "constants" would also open the door to theories that used to be off limits, such as those which break the laws of conservation of energy. And it would be a boost to versions of string theory in which extra dimensions change the constants of nature at some places in space-time.

But "there is no accepted varying-alpha theory", warns Flambaum. Instead, there are competing theories, from those that predict a linear rate of change in alpha, to those that predict rapid oscillations. John Barrow, who has pioneered varying-alpha theories at the University of Cambridge, says that the latest Oklo result does not favour any of the current theories. "You would expect alpha to stop [changing] five to six billion years ago," he says.

Reaction rate

Before Lamoreaux's Oklo study can count in favour of any varying alpha theory, there are some issues to be addressed. For one, the exact conditions at Oklo are not known. Nuclear reactions run at different rates depending on the temperature of the reactor, which Lamoreaux assumed was between 227 and 527°C.

Damour says the temperature could vary far more than this. "You need to reconstruct the temperature two billion years ago deep down in the ground," he says.

Damour also argues that the relative concentrations of samarium isotopes may not be as well determined as Lamoreaux has assumed, which would make it impossible to rule out an unchanging alpha. But Lamoreaux points out that both assumptions about the temperature of the Oklo reactor and the ratio of samarium isotopes were accepted in previous Oklo studies.

Another unknown is whether other physical constants might have varied along with, or instead of, alpha. Samarium-149's ability to capture a neutron also depends on another constant, alpha(s), which governs the strength of the strong nuclear attraction between the nucleus and the neutron.

And in March, Flambaum claimed that the ratio of different elements left over from just after the big bang suggests that alpha(s) must have been different then compared with its value today (Physical Review D, vol 69, p 063506).

While Lamoreaux has not addressed any possible change in alpha(s) in his Oklo study, he argues that it is important to focus on possible changes in alpha because the Oklo data has become such a benchmark in the debate over whether alpha can vary. "I've spent my career going back and checking things that are 'known' and it always leads to new ideas," he says.

Eugenie Samuel Reich


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1 posted on 06/30/2004 1:35:30 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan; Physicist; RadioAstronomer

Ping


2 posted on 06/30/2004 1:36:12 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic

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3 posted on 06/30/2004 1:37:31 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan

DANG! Now I gotta re-adjust the speedometer on the Wife's car.


4 posted on 06/30/2004 1:37:32 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (<a href="http://www.michaelmoore.com" target="_blank">Hatriotism)
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To: NukeMan
and would undermine much of traditional physics.

Does this mean that I should park my car on the wall of my garage?

5 posted on 06/30/2004 1:37:58 PM PDT by mattdono (To President Reagan: Rest now. Look in on us. Enjoy eternity. I'll see you again some day.)
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To: NukeMan

I thought so.


6 posted on 06/30/2004 1:38:11 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn't be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; RadioAstronomer; Physicist; LogicWings; Doctor Stochastic; ..
Science list ping (an elite subset of the Evolution list). List details are in my freeper homepage. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.
7 posted on 06/30/2004 1:38:39 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: NukeMan

See!!! This is more global warning!!


8 posted on 06/30/2004 1:38:43 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: NukeMan

See!!! This is more global warming!!


9 posted on 06/30/2004 1:38:52 PM PDT by laotzu
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To: NukeMan

Bump for a later read when I have time to think.


10 posted on 06/30/2004 1:39:14 PM PDT by The_Victor
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To: NukeMan

It's Bush's fault...


11 posted on 06/30/2004 1:39:32 PM PDT by danneskjold ("Somebody is behind this..." - George Soros)
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To: NukeMan

Bush knew.


12 posted on 06/30/2004 1:39:32 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Knees in the breeze)
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To: NukeMan

Whoa. I thought I'd entered a time-warp a few weeks back. This explains it.


13 posted on 06/30/2004 1:39:42 PM PDT by condi2008 (Pro Libertate)
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To: mattdono

You mean, you don't already?


14 posted on 06/30/2004 1:39:45 PM PDT by NukeMan
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To: NukeMan

If they keep raising the limit, I'll need higher speed rated tires on my Ranger Truck.


15 posted on 06/30/2004 1:40:15 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Drove my Jaguar to the Quagmire. But the Quagmire was dry.)
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To: danneskjold

Posted AT THE EXACT SAME TIME! (Quantum mechanics at work!)


16 posted on 06/30/2004 1:40:22 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Knees in the breeze)
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To: blam

Ping


17 posted on 06/30/2004 1:40:22 PM PDT by Fiddlstix (This Tagline for sale. (Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: NukeMan

It seemed like last week went by really fast...


18 posted on 06/30/2004 1:40:29 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: NukeMan

Two billion years ago. I didn't get the memo.


19 posted on 06/30/2004 1:41:00 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: PatrickHenry

Lower? Wasn't it supposed to have been faster 6000 years ago?


20 posted on 06/30/2004 1:41:09 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: NukeMan

Cool! Now my headlights might work again....


21 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:09 PM PDT by cspackler (There are 10 kinds of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.)
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To: NukeMan

bump


22 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:13 PM PDT by Captain Beyond (The Hammer of the gods! (Just a cool line from a Led Zep song))
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To: Conspiracy Guy

Dammit! First, Nixon drops the country's the country's speed limits to "Bipbty-Bive" and now this...


23 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:20 PM PDT by FreeScalian
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To: Fiddlstix

Women and children hardest hit.


24 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:30 PM PDT by cripplecreek (you tell em i'm commin.... and hells commin with me.)
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To: NukeMan

Which would mean the universe we know, and more precisely planet Earth, could not be old enough to create itself at random ?

UH -OH


25 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:43 PM PDT by Freesofar (FREEDOM !)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Me too. When I turn on the lights these days they seem to be just a little bit faster.


26 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:46 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: NukeMan

Those of youse with a higher IQ, discuss.

I'm waiting for some insight.


27 posted on 06/30/2004 1:42:48 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: NukeMan

And God saith, "Let us change the speed of light and confuse thoust eggheads forthwith..."


28 posted on 06/30/2004 1:43:06 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (Liberalism is the end result of too many people peeing in the gene pool.)
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To: NukeMan

No! Dang it! These dang changes to relativity theory, coming along every couple of billion years, it's just too quick for me.


29 posted on 06/30/2004 1:43:09 PM PDT by mattdono (To President Reagan: Rest now. Look in on us. Enjoy eternity. I'll see you again some day.)
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To: NukeMan

Thus providing an alibi for running a red light; "I just thought that the green light was red-shifted, Officer. After all, the speed of light has changed recently."


30 posted on 06/30/2004 1:43:17 PM PDT by cogitator
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To: Lijahsbubbe

I'm waiting to be enlightened.


31 posted on 06/30/2004 1:44:15 PM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Lijahsbubbe
Well, they finally get it. I've been telling these bozos.
32 posted on 06/30/2004 1:44:20 PM PDT by mict42
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To: FreeScalian

Things like this always happen when a Republican is in office.

It's Bush's fault.


33 posted on 06/30/2004 1:44:44 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Drove my Jaguar to the Quagmire. But the Quagmire was dry.)
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To: NukeMan

Steroids????


34 posted on 06/30/2004 1:44:45 PM PDT by Onelifetogive
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To: NukeMan

I'll bet these guys can explain how my toaster works!


35 posted on 06/30/2004 1:46:19 PM PDT by SirChas
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These dang changes to relativity theory, coming along every couple of billion years, it's just too quick for me.

Life is about change. You just have to learn to adapt.

36 posted on 06/30/2004 1:46:34 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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Wasn't it supposed to have been faster 6000 years ago?

Very confusing. I'm pretty sure it slowed down for Joshua when he made the sun stand still. Otherwise, I donno. I've misplaced my notes.

37 posted on 06/30/2004 1:48:12 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: mict42

LOL.


38 posted on 06/30/2004 1:48:23 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: NukeMan

Could the results have to do with variables in the test ?

Is this the same old theory I heard about years ago, or is there newer and more imperical evidence now ?

What does this mean to Einsteins theory of relativity where C is the speed of light ?

Thanks


39 posted on 06/30/2004 1:48:43 PM PDT by Freesofar (FREEDOM !)
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To: PatrickHenry

The important thing is that science has changed its story again, thus proving right all the people who say science is wrong.


40 posted on 06/30/2004 1:50:32 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: NukeMan

There may be some merit to this story, through careful observations, I noticed my electric meter runs much faster when I turn on the lights and the air conditioner in the house.


41 posted on 06/30/2004 1:51:27 PM PDT by U S Army EOD (John Kerry, the mother of all flip floppers.)
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Lower? Wasn't it supposed to have been faster 6000 years ago?

Ahem. Nothing existed 6000 years ago, Mr. Beelzebub. Where do you get these crazy questions from? Sheesh!

42 posted on 06/30/2004 1:51:54 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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To: NukeMan

"may have been lower as recently as two billion years ago"

lol...we I guess recent is objective when discussing the life of the universe. It would help explain a lot of things though.


43 posted on 06/30/2004 1:52:46 PM PDT by monday
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Well, I guess! I'll just go along with this whole change in the speed of life...after all, I don't wanna cause no trouble. If it will make life go smoother....I guess (hehe)


44 posted on 06/30/2004 1:53:46 PM PDT by mattdono (To President Reagan: Rest now. Look in on us. Enjoy eternity. I'll see you again some day.)
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There may be some merit to this story, through careful observations, I noticed my electric meter runs much faster when I turn on the lights and the air conditioner in the house.

Light has speeded up. I used to be able to turn out the light and be in bed before the room got dark. Now I can't.

45 posted on 06/30/2004 1:53:47 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Shryke

Ummmm, that was 6008 years ago...


46 posted on 06/30/2004 1:54:58 PM PDT by null and void (The light pours out of me/It jerks out of me/Like blood/In this still life/Heart beats up love)
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To: Lijahsbubbe

Yeah, but I usually skip a couple versions before upgrading. So I'll wait for one or two more adjustments to relativity theory before I upgrade.


47 posted on 06/30/2004 1:55:22 PM PDT by mcg1969
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To: NukeMan

Q: What would happen if the speed of light were only sixty miles per hour?

A: As we approach the speed of light, the aging process slows down. So, if the speed of light were sixty miles per hour, we would have even more people speeding, especially older people trying to stay young. As a matter of fact, physics would demand that we go faster than the speed of light. The safest thing is to drive at a steady sixty to keep time and the highway patrol off our necks. Airplanes would become obsolete in this slow light world, because you would be going so fast, relatively speaking, that you'd be back before you even left. This would make business trips unnecessary and lead to economic collapse.
So, to answer your question, life, if the speed of light were sixty miles per hour, would be youthful, fast, and dark.


48 posted on 06/30/2004 1:56:07 PM PDT by nuconvert ( "Let Freedom Reign !" ) ( Azadi baraye Iran)
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To: U S Army EOD

The flashing 12:00 symbol on my VCR seems to have slowed down a bit


49 posted on 06/30/2004 1:57:15 PM PDT by tx_eggman (Don't hit at all if it is honorably possible to avoid hitting; but never hit softly. Teddy Roosevelt)
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To: null and void
No, no nononononnono. Your book is wrong (by eight years). Mine is RIGHT.

I win. Don't you love logical debate?

50 posted on 06/30/2004 1:57:37 PM PDT by Shryke (Never retreat. Never explain. Get it done and let them howl.)
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