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America Online Can Fire Gun-Owning Employees
NRA ^ | July 23, 2004 | NRA

Posted on 07/23/2004 6:56:58 PM PDT by TYVets

America Online Can Fire Gun-Owning Employees Utah High Court Rules Friday, July 23, 2004

Self-defense took a big blow this week when the Utah Supreme Court upheld the right of America Online (AOL), America`s largest on-line service provider, to fire three employees whose firearms were stored in the trunks of their cars in the parking lot of an AOL call center in Ogden, Utah.

In a decision that diminishes rights guaranteed under both the Utah and the U.S. Constitution, the court acknowledged the individual right to keep and bear arms, but said the right of a business to regulate its own property is more important!

Complying with this decision could potentially cost an employee his or her life--violent criminals certainly aren`t going to obey such a ban.

It may also diminish employees` abilities to hunt or target shoot after work.

The issue is becoming a hot legislative topic in the states. This year Oklahoma passed HB 2122 ensuring that employees with guns in their cars were not fired or harassed, and it was debated in several other states.

Please look to future editions of the Grassroots Alert for developing information on this issue.


TOPICS: Announcements; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aol; automobles; bang; banglist; concealedcarry; faol; guns; rhodesia
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
Ahh, don't you love it when the government decides to pass laws restricting people's ability to control what happens on their own property?

Amazing, eh?

81 posted on 07/23/2004 7:57:57 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Mulder
I don't give a rat's behind about corporations (they weren't even around at the time of our founding).

Look up the history of the East India Company sometime.

82 posted on 07/23/2004 7:58:19 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Mulder
I can place conditions on your entry to my property. If you don't agree to them, then you are there without my permission. And yes, I can call the cops in that situation.

And you're just ignorant about the law. Corporations have rights. The only BS is what you've posted on this thread.

83 posted on 07/23/2004 8:01:45 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: tex9mm
What would be the situation if AOL had a policy of "no newspapers on the premises" and a few employees were caught with copies of the New York Times? Any difference you think?

Probably but the real question is should there be? Who controls your property? Me, the state or you?

84 posted on 07/23/2004 8:02:16 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: NCLaw441
We may disagree with private policies that restrict, say, gun ownership by hiring policies or free speech by editorial positions, but these don't rise to the level of constitutional violations since no government action is taken.

What about in a situation where the gov't gives preferential treatment to one company, and detrimental treatment to others? And this is the case for ALL large industries, to some degree or another.

Isn't this essentially the same thing as the gov't taking action to deprive civil Rights, especially when the company that benefits is opposed to the Right of Free men?

Consider the airline industry, for instance. If United Airlines announced a policy that would allow all passengers with CCW "permits" to carry on board, do you really think the feds would allow that to happen? No. They would not let United fly. But some folks here are still under the illusion that our airlines are "privately owned".

85 posted on 07/23/2004 8:03:19 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: jwalsh07
Come over any time. When somebody drives on my property uninvited and parks themselves on my posted raod they get a visit from me and ole betsy. No repeat customers so far.

I'll come over but only if I can bring my toys and point them the same direction you are pointing yours. We'll sit on the porch and make noise.

I sure hope that dang "assault ban" thing dies. I have a few things I'd like to take outside that have not been outside yet.

86 posted on 07/23/2004 8:04:21 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Strategery - "W" plays poker with one hand and chess with the other.)
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To: Dog Gone
I can place conditions on your entry to my property. If you don't agree to them, then you are there without my permission. And yes, I can call the cops in that situation.

This is quite limited, and for good reason. Most signs that you or I post on our private property have no legal standing. (Even "no gun" signs here in Florida have no legal standing).

The rare exception to this is the "no tresspass" sign. And even those have to be a certain font, color, and location in order to have legal standing.

As individual private property owners, we can still ask them to leave for any reason, and then the law will back us up, but not before.

Corporations have rights

Only individuals have Rights. A creation of a group of individuals (be it a government, or a corporation, or a robot) has no inherent Rights.

87 posted on 07/23/2004 8:09:05 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: Dog Gone

I would have to disagree. The Constitution and the bill of rights note the rights of all and generally tell us that our rights end where those of another person begin. If you carry a weapon for personal safety and the employer can't garauntee your safety from their parking lot to your home, that is the issue. Infringing your right to carry at this point becomes an infringement on your ability to protect yourself. And you never know when you might need to pull the trigger.

I worked for Kmart Corp as my first fulltime job. While I was working for them, my district manager took a trip up north from here and was murdered in a parking lot. You never know when it might come in handy to have something to protect yourself with. And Liberals are trying to take that ability away from us. And it goes without saying that if you take away a people's ability to defend themselves, you also remove their abiltiy to be a threat collectively should you choose to exploit and subjugate them. Liberals aren't put off by your ability to protect yourself - it's your ability to defend against their attempts to subjugate that they resent.


88 posted on 07/23/2004 8:09:10 PM PDT by Havoc (.)
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To: Sloth

how about...no homosexuals on my property or no black people?
Are my property rights secure?


89 posted on 07/23/2004 8:11:58 PM PDT by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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To: Havoc
Liberals aren't put off by your ability to protect yourself - it's your ability to defend against their attempts to subjugate that they resent.

Very well stated!

90 posted on 07/23/2004 8:12:43 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset • www.2asisters.org • www.cantheban.net)
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To: .38sw

Here's one that'll p**s you off.


91 posted on 07/23/2004 8:12:44 PM PDT by sweetliberty ("A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left." (Eccl. 10:2))
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To: Havoc
If the gov't ever wanted to ban guns, all they would have to do is pass more laws and edicts which result in WalMart owning everything, and then Wally World could simply ban guns by corporate edict.

And some folks would apparently be a-ok with that.

92 posted on 07/23/2004 8:14:58 PM PDT by Mulder (All might be free if they valued freedom, and defended it as they should.-- Samuel Adams)
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To: ijcr

Unless you offer your property up as a public accommodation, you are quite secure in whatever your prejudices. I don't like hawkers bothering me myself, whether it be for a product, religion, or political candidate. My policy is to not answer the door when the doorbell rings, unless I am expecting somebody. Call first, or I am not home.


93 posted on 07/23/2004 8:15:16 PM PDT by Torie
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To: tex9mm
I can't recall when someone mowed down a Human Resources department with a copy of the New York Times.
94 posted on 07/23/2004 8:15:19 PM PDT by oyez (¡Qué viva la revolución de Reagan!)
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To: basil; PistolPaknMama; dbwz

Check this out ladies!


95 posted on 07/23/2004 8:16:39 PM PDT by 2nd amendment mama (Can The Ban - let the AWB sunset • www.2asisters.org • www.cantheban.net)
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To: Dog Gone

So, if I owned a company I could fire anyone who owned rap music? And I'd have the right to break into their car to see if they had any so long as they parked in a space on my property?

COOL! Think I'll start a business just to test this.

I'm also going to reserve the right to fire anyone wearing a tattoo. Makes no difference where or if it's covered up. I reserve the right to search you just because I don't like tattoos.

I think I'm going to like being a business.


96 posted on 07/23/2004 8:18:35 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Ronald Reagan - Greatest President of the 20th Century.)
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To: jwalsh07
Not sure that applies--you are a private individual not a place of business. By nature a business will have greater amounts of public accessibility than a private residence (or driveway).

Am I correct from your posts that, for you, the right of privacy trumps all other rights contained in the Bill of Rights?

97 posted on 07/23/2004 8:19:19 PM PDT by twntaipan (demonRATs ARE the friends of our enemies, which makes demoRATs our... (finish the sentence).)
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To: 2nd amendment mama

Is this a tough sisters alert or something?


98 posted on 07/23/2004 8:19:40 PM PDT by Torie
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To: SouthernFreebird

And keep your SUV, cell phone, fast food off my parking lot.
Don't you see a connection with your freedom to defend yourself and the erosion of your abilty to choose what you can own?


99 posted on 07/23/2004 8:20:01 PM PDT by earplug (In god you trust. I like my silver and gold.)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
AOL shouldn't be prevented from banning guns on its property,

I'm sorry, but I do not understand how the sensibilities of a company has trump card priviledges over matters specifically enumerated in the Bill of Rights.

100 posted on 07/23/2004 8:21:32 PM PDT by twntaipan (demonRATs ARE the friends of our enemies, which makes demoRATs our... (finish the sentence).)
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