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Totalization Treaty With Mexico -- The Sellout of America Continues
U.S. BORDER CONTROL ^ | August/10/04

Posted on 08/31/2004 3:14:06 PM PDT by TERMINATTOR

A year ago, this organization warned that the Bush Administration was planning to do something unthinkable - they were seriously considering signing a pact with Mexico that would give any Mexican who had worked in the U.S., including illegal aliens, full U.S. Social Security benefits, paid out of your Social Security Trust Fund!

It seemed so far fetched, we had trouble convincing the Congress that it could happen. A White House spokesman denied our claim that it was on a fast track, stating the ongoing discussions for Totalization were just informal and preliminary.

But we knew better. We had obtained correspondence proving it was on a fast track and had seen plans for erecting a huge new building at the U.S. Embassy in Mexico City just to deal with the swarms of people anticipated to sign-up for this raid on our Social Security Trust Fund.

Well, it was on fast track, just as we said it was and a few weeks ago, the President signed the Totalization Treaty with Mexico and unless you and I can persuade the Congress to stop it, millions of Mexicans, including illegal aliens, will soon be living it up on your Social Security benefits!

The timing for repealing this outrageous treaty couldn't be worse. The few days we have to repeal this treaty are the same few days preceding the November election, when every Congressmen is campaigning hard for reelection and the Congress is seldom in session. In short, it was a very underhanded way to sneak a terrible treaty past the Congress.

So please click here to jump to our Congressional Action page and send an email to your representative TODAY!


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To: Southack
For argument's sake, lets just pretend that you are absolutely correct above. If so, the easy way to handle cutting off all illegal immigration (that's economically driven, at least), is to say that any illegal alien who applies for SS has to identify his current and former employers in the U.S.

There is no "for argument's sake".

The Jorge Arbusto Administración has already signed this agreement. It is in force.

Millions of Mexican illegal aliens are now eligible to sign up for and receive US taxpayer-paid benefits for work performed in the US while "unauthorized."

All they need to do is provide a W-2 for the time worked and voila! the benefits will be approved and they will start receiving SSI checks.

At home.

In Mexico.

141 posted on 09/02/2004 12:53:05 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
"All they need to do is provide a W-2 for the time worked and voila! the benefits will be approved and they will start receiving SSI checks."

Gee, would that be the legal form that shows (along with dependent deductions) the *employer* in the U.S.?!

1. How many illegal aliens have W-2 forms, and
2. Don't we *want* to track down and confiscate back taxes from such employers if and when they are ever identified?!

5 Legislative Days Left Until The AWB Expires

142 posted on 09/02/2004 12:56:47 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Do you have any documents (other than a press release from the SSA) which show that the House Judiciary Committee Chairman's and Subcommittee Chairman's and GAO conclusions are incorrect or that the GAO analysis is inaccurate?

They don't exist Dan.

143 posted on 09/02/2004 12:57:22 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Southack
Gee, would that be the legal form that shows (along with dependent deductions) the *employer* in the U.S.?!

Doesn't change the fact that the SSA can and will be paying benefits to the illegal alien, does it?

1. How many illegal aliens have W-2 forms, and
2. Don't we *want* to track down and confiscate back taxes from such employers if and when they are ever identified?!

1) Conservatively, probably millions.

2) Yes, but the actions of the Jorge Arbusto Administración with the non-amnesty amnesty and the totalization agreement have shown that he wants illegal aliens in the US. So, he's not about to take any action which will prevent the illegals from being hired.

144 posted on 09/02/2004 1:03:26 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Joe Hadenuf
They don't exist Dan.

Do you know what else also doesn't seem to exist?

The actual text of the Totalization Agreement with Mexico.

I tried to find it, but strangely, the SSA doesn't seem to have the text of the agreement online despite having the text of the agreements with all the other countries available.

I wonder why? </sarcasm>

145 posted on 09/02/2004 1:05:46 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
Do you know what else also doesn't seem to exist? The actual text of the Totalization Agreement with Mexico.

Not surprised. Even that term, "Totalization agreement with Mexico" is pretty scary in itself.

146 posted on 09/02/2004 1:24:15 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Not surprised. Even that term, "Totalization agreement with Mexico" is pretty scary in itself.

What's even scarier is that none of the so-called conservative political commentators, such as Limbaugh, Hannity or Coulter have expressed their opinions pro or con on the long term economic impact of this agreement on the US taxpayers.

I'm not surprised, though. They blithely ignored Arbusto's Medicare propaganda, too.

147 posted on 09/02/2004 4:59:09 PM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker
I'm not surprised either. I gave up on Limbaugh long ago. He talks three hours a day, and seldom if ever, touches the real issues. Hannity is like listening to a political "Radio Disney".
148 posted on 09/02/2004 5:11:36 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Southack
Well I notice you didn't answer my post asking if you have seen any ads in the Alabama newspapers for workers in Mexico.

Futher, you seem to have difficulty accepting that 3,000 of those 50,000 new workers are *Americans* legally working in Mexico.

So lets just break those numbers down a little bit. Using the number 3,000 Americans and 47,000 Mexicans, this means that we are going into this treay for 0.06 percent Americans. Also, using your figure of 600 American workers per year into the total population of 280,000,000 million Americans, this means we are signing this treaty for 0.000001 percent of our population.

We didn't even consider hundreds of thousand of Americans whose plants and factories we closed down for NAFTA or outsourcing. So now we are going to consider a miniscule percentage of the population for this treaty. Give me a break!

149 posted on 09/03/2004 2:26:15 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Southack

Also, add to my last post that their will be dependants added to Mexicans immediately eligible making the 47000 double. Remember, Mexico gets preferential treatment. Mustn't miss their votes.

This treaty with Mexico will be more than double all the other totalization treaties with Japan, Britain ect combined.


150 posted on 09/03/2004 2:34:35 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: Ol' Dan Tucker

I have been trying to find the totalization treaty also.If you find it, please ping me.


151 posted on 09/03/2004 6:35:02 AM PDT by texastoo (a "has-been" Republican)
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To: texastoo
I have been trying to find the totalization treaty also.If you find it, please ping me.

Okie-dokie.

152 posted on 09/03/2004 8:50:05 AM PDT by Ol' Dan Tucker
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To: Southack

Gee, would that be the legal form that shows (along with dependent deductions) the *employer* in the U.S.?!

1. How many illegal aliens have W-2 forms, and
2. Don't we *want* to track down and confiscate back taxes from such employers if and when they are ever identified?!

The W-2 form, if I'm not mistaken as I've been unemployed for over ten years, shows also the amount of taxes withheld. Ergo, no need to track the employers for back taxes. You track the employers for committing a federal crime of employing illegal aliens. You track them, fine them heavily and send them to prison.


153 posted on 09/03/2004 3:59:35 PM PDT by YngConservative
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To: Joe Hadenuf

"I'm not surprised either. I gave up on Limbaugh long ago. He talks three hours a day, and seldom if ever, touches the real issues. Hannity is like listening to a political "Radio Disney"."

To steal an expression from a famous (very famous) talk radio host: "they're fakes, frauds and phonies."


154 posted on 09/03/2004 4:09:58 PM PDT by YngConservative
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