THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating

www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

[Howlin]

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.

[NYCVirago]

Your point about corrections is well-taken. The documents I had declassified for a book was the WW II correspondence of Secretary of the Interior, Harold Ickes. We got access to microfilm copies of the carbon paper originals kept in the Secretary's office. ALL the documents showed evidence of erasing and retyping the corrections in the original and the carbons.

Thanks for the info. That fits with what I was thinking here. I just find it hard to believe that a military officer would be such a flawless typist.

One question for you, since you seem to know a bit on a lot of varied subjects. Was the term "CYA", as one memo mentions, a commonly used term back then? I never heard of the phrase until the 90s myself.

[boxerblues]

bookmark

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

For the life of me, I cannot remember when or where I saw this, but I will throw it out.

A month or so ago, I saw a report on one of the networks about these "new" documents. I think (but not sure) Killian was portrayed as either a Bush friend or supporter (or maybe just a Republican). The report focused on Mrs. Killian and why she is releasing the documents after all of these years.

Mrs. Killian has an axe to grind and I cannot remember what it was. Did anyone else see this or have any background to add regarding Mrs. Killian?

[Carolinamom]

BTTT and Bookmark.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

What a great day that would be, Blather CAUGHT at faking or not properly vetting fake copies.

Forget President Bush for a moment....wouldn't it be great if this could be the story that brought Rather down?

Sweet.

[southland]

ping

[Miss Marple]

I vaguely remember there was an article about some people who perceived that they were insulted by the Bush family...not sent an invitation or something. I have no idea if this is the story you are referring to. I do remember that the supposed comment to these people was very unlike the Bush family.

[IrishRainy]

Gosh, now I'm gonna have nightmares again! I first started out in medical transcription on that machine. We could use correction tape if we had a typo, but if the doctor changed his mind in the middle of a sentence and then started over, we had to redo the freakin' report.

I can't believe I survived those years.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Look what I found..........

http://www.enotalone.com/books/0688174418.html

A Review of President Bush's Book, A CHARGE TO KEEP
Hardcover - 17 November, 1999
Note the name of the person at the end of this review.
__________
Product Description:

The political biography, complete with life-altering turning points and a political philosophy for leading the United States into greatness, has become obligatory for those running for president--just one more thing to check off the "to do" list on the way to the Oval Office. A Charge to Keep is George W. Bush's offering: a light and breezy book mixing personal and political remembrances that proves heavy on chatty anecdotes and light on policy prescriptions. If you read the last chapter you'll sort of learn where George W. stands on most things, but still not really discern how he would actually run the country. There are no revelations, either personal or political: Bush's wild side and youthful indiscretions, like stealing a Christmas wreath from a New Haven hotel for his Yale fraternity, are touched on lightly when he discusses them at all. A Charge to Keep is so upbeat and positive, in describing the Houston woman to whom he was engaged in college and from whom he "gradually drifted apart," Bush says simply: "I still think the world of her, and our parting was friendly. We were very young, we lived in different places, and we gradually developed different lives."

George W. has been labeled a lightweight by some; A Charge to Keep will do nothing to dispel that notion. It features lots of Bush family memories and numerous mentions of George W.'s famous parents, including letters from his president father. George W. has followed closely in his father's footsteps, attending the same prep school and college. He even belonged to the same secret society at Yale, Skull and Bones. From college it was on to flight school and the Texas Air National Guard, Harvard Business School, and then (again, like his father) the Texas oil business and politics. George W. seems mostly in sync with his father on policy issues as well. "A thousand points of light" is transformed slightly to become "compassionate conservative," which pops up in the final chapter more than 10 times. Readers will come away knowing many of the experiences and events that have helped shaped George W., but his future is still an open book. --Linda Killian

[Miss Marple]

Hmmmm. Do you ever get the idea that there is a whole other world of intrigue and in-fighting that we don't know about?

[RatherBiased.com]

http://www.etypewriters.com/1966-composer-b.JPG

seems to indicate that certain Selectric models had the ability to use more than one type ball simultaneously. Anyone know if they could use differently sized ones at once?

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

My post may be a false alarm--Linda may not be her name. More googling to do.

[maica]

I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.

I agree with you, and cannot believe that any person familiar with writing copy before the age of PCs, ie professional 'reporters' as old as Dan Rather, would not instantly see the difference.

[GRRRRR]

Let's check the PO Box ownership records for that time....

These are just too perfectly written...

G

[Law is not justice but process]

The addresses seem to match already released and authenticated paperwork (the authenticated paperwork was probably the source of information for the presumtive forger). The signatures, however, do not match already released paperwork. Anyone know any handwriting analysts? The signature on Bush's Application for Discharge is an authenticated version of Killian's signature. On that document, for instance, the pen moves down sharply at the end of the upper leg of the K. On the CBS documents the pen loops upward. Based on my experience with handwriting analysts, such a huge difference in pen strokes is almost impossible. There are many other dissimilarities as well.

I think the authentication issue is important, not as a defensive move to protect Bush, but as an offensive move to discredit his detractors. If we can prove this is a fake, the Kerry Campaign and their willing accomplices in the press will be permanently and completely discredited. It could ice the election for Bush.

[Buckhead]

They are still all monospaced fonts - a word consisting of 6 upper case "W"s will be exactly the same length as a word consisting of 6 lower case "l"s. Not so with a proportionally spaced font, which slides the characters together based on their width. That is an excellent bit of research to find those reference scans.

[Law is not justice but process]

Another point, does anyone else suspect the Democrats have been forced by Bush's recent advance in the polls into releasing the October surprise about a month early?

And does anyone else entertain the possibility that Rather has been "punked" by some devious Bushie? I mean, if Rather were found to be proffering forgeries his credibility goes to zero. It would be a nice job, if we did it.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

Re: my post #292
I still have not confirmed the name of the Merry Widow, but I happened upon some interesting info regarding something which may explain motive...

Revenge? Money?

From Harris County Texas Probate Real Property Inquiry System

KILLIAN JERRY B EST
INTERNAL REVENUE SERV
011890 [Date]
T/L INSTR

KILLIAN JERRY B ETAL
INTERNAL REVENUE SERV
082889 [Date]
T/L INSTR

2 of several listed

[Miss Marple]

Do those indicate liens on the estate property?

[Drawsing]

Someone may have already pointed this out, but I think it is worth carefully looking at the language in the memos. I have not read all of the memos, but someone said one of the memos uses the term "feedback". When did that cliche come into general use?