Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin
These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.
They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.
Mornin' Howlin--ABC is reporting this story this morning too--saying that the White House released these documents, and that the Bush admin admits they are valid, but have a different interpretation as to what they say.
Now, last night, the story was that AP and other media had gotten these documents with FOIA.
Reading many of these messages on this thread, it also appears that some of the documents might be forged.
So where is the truth on this one?
Signed,
Confused in the Oklahoma Outback
I suppose there ware slang dictionaries in 1972. Anyone got time to go to a large library and see?
CYA: that's a term I've heard just about all my adult life, and let's just say I'm older than dirt. :)
What they don't get is Kerry and Pres Bush's military backgrounds are like apples and oranges. Even the democrats in my family say so. They believe all this is hurting Kerry instead of Bush.
Here is a link for the Harris County Search page. Perhaps someone with more knowledge can explain exactly what all of the abbreviations mean.
http://www.cclerk.hctx.net/coolice/default.asp?Category=RealProperty&Service=mastermenu
Yep, feedback was a comman military term back then and now
I agree with your Democrat kin. I suspect mean-spirited attacks like this could backfire just like Gray-out Davis's attacks on Arnie. Still, if we could prove these memos are fake, it would be debilitating to the Kerry attack machine (i.e. Comrade Dan Rather and the rest of the mainstream press). We are duty-bound to try.
Heard on Fox last night that Bush was furious w/the Pentagon for dribbling out these reports, and when he requested copies of the latest ones, HE, the President of these United States, was refused the copies. When reminded of the FACT that HE had requested his own files BEFORE the network did, THEN the WH got the copies.
Heard on Fox last night that Bush was furious w/the Pentagon for dribbling out these reports, and when he requested copies of the latest ones, HE, the President of these United States, was refused the copies. When reminded of the FACT that HE had requested his own files BEFORE the network/AP did, THEN the WH got the copies.
February 18, 1966 While a senior at Yale, Kerry asked his draft board for permission to study a year in Paris, which the draft board declined. A Slate article reported that Kerry wrote in a 1986 book:
Page 50: Why did Kerry, a Vietnam War opponent, decide to enlist? In addition to feeling obliged to serve his country (and wanting to go on the same adventure that his Yale friends were going on), Kerry says that part of the reason he enlisted in Vietnam was fear of the draft: "I called [the draft board] because I was thinking one of the options was, maybe I'll go study abroad, which was a euphemism for screwing around a bit, but it was clear to me that I was going to be at risk. My draft board … said, 'Look, the likelihood is you are probably going to be drafted.' I said, 'If I'm going to be drafted, I'd like to have responsibility
and be an officer.' "
Page 70, 77: When Kerry asked to be a Swift boat captain, he wasn't asking for combat duty. At the time, the boats were not yet being used for the daring river raids that would make Kerry a war hero. In a 1986 book, Kerry wrote that the
Swift boats "were engaged in coastal patrolling and that's what I thought I was going to be doing. Although I wanted to see for myself what was going on, I didn't really want to get involved in the war."
Page 73-76: After getting hit in the arm by a piece of shrapnel during a firefight, Kerry asks Lt. Cmdr. Grant Hibbard to put him in for a Purple Heart. Hibbard objected before relenting, and now says, "I've had thorns from a rose that were worse." The book does note, "Purple Hearts were widely given for many types of injuries, including minor ones."
Page 95: Kerry's second Purple Heart. "Kerry was also hit by shrapnel in his left thigh, an injury that would merit a second Purple Heart. He was treated on an offshore ship and returned to duty hours later."
Page 107: Kerry's third Purple Heart. The injury "left him off-duty for a couple days. (He had immediately returned to duty after the earlier two wounds.)"
Page 108: Kerry asks to be transferred out of Vietnam on the three-Purple- Hearts-and-you're-out policy. His commander, Roy Hoffman, "remains upset that Kerry left more than six months ahead of schedule. 'That just turned me off then and there, and as far as I was concerned, he bugged out,' " Hoffman says.
Page 88-89: An interview with Steven Gardner, the one crewmate who doesn't speak highly of Kerry's behavior in Vietnam (and the one crewmate who wasn't interviewed for Douglas Brinkley's Tour of Duty). "Gardner argued that Kerry retreated from firefights too quickly—a view at odds with descriptions by others of Kerry's aggression in later months."
Page 90: Gardner says Kerry threatened him with a court martial for shooting a boy who was about 12 years old. Kerry disputes this, saying that "it was a terrible thing, but I've never thought we were somehow at fault or guilty."
Page 105: Some Hogan's Heroes-style antics: Kerry and Jim Rassman decide to toss grenades into "a huge rice cache that had been captured from the Vietcong and was thus slated for destruction. … Rassman escaped the ensuing explosion of rice, but Kerry was not as lucky—thousands of grains stuck to him."
Page 99-101: Kerry comes up with the tactic that won him the Silver Star.
"Kerry was frustrated that the swift boats were supposed to just race along the river, draw enemy fire, and speed away with guns blazing. Who knew if they shot the enemy? They usually couldn't even see the guerrillas. Kerry insisted it would make more sense to beach the boat and chase down the enemy. …
Rather than ordering his crew to hit the enemy and run, which was standard navy operating procedure, Kerry decided to chase down the Vietcong who were firing at his crew."
Page 103: "When Kerry returned to his base, his commander, George Elliott, raised a familiar issue with Kerry: the fine line between whether the action merited a medal or a court-martial."
http://slate.msn.com/id/2099184/
It does bear repeating, but I must have hiccuped. LOL
I would like to have Rummy find this person.
Nope, hadn't seen that
is that about his flight records?
I highly doubt the 4 papers CBS has been throwing around would have been anywhere in normal military files
Like you, I am convinced that there are clinton moles/left-overs in both the Pentagon and the State Department.
It is important to determine whether these memos were actually released by the White House, or whether there is confusion between these documents that CBS found, and others that were released by the WH, i.e., the flight logs you reference in post no. 278.
I heard this on the Shepard Smith show last night...the substitue guy (can't remember his name) did not go into detail as to what kind of reports.
I heard that too. Is the Pentagon now at cross-purposes with the President?
I stand in awe at the expertise of freepers on this thread as to fonts et al. The deciding factor for me is the difference in those signatures. I'm no expert for sure, but they appear totally different to me.
Don't know if any of you have been reading this, but I looked at the "newly discovered" documents and I think there is a person altering or creating files for CBS. The documents I saw, if they ever existed, would not be required to stay in anyone's 201 file (military records).
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