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THE "New" CBS BUSH DOCUMENTS: Let's do some investigating
www.freerepublic.com | September 9, 2004

Posted on 09/08/2004 9:16:02 PM PDT by Howlin

These are the NEW documents "discovered" by CBS with conjunction with their Ben Barnes expose/confessional tonight regarding George Bush's National Guard service.

They've gotten some interesting comments on the Live Thread, so I thought I'd give them their own thread so you people out there with the knowledge can dissect them for their accuracy/truth/existence.


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KEYWORDS: 2004; alabama; barnes; bush; cbs; danrather; dubya; edwards; election; gwb; kerry; killian; ltbush; memogate; napalminthemorning; rather; rathergate; texas
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To: Howlin

Honorably Discharged!...that's a fact.


41 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:15 PM PDT by MEG33 (John Kerry has been AWOL for two decades on issues of National Security)
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To: dila813

There is a Longmont street in Houston. I wonder if this is an address for an apartment or condo located at 5000 Longmont #8?


42 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:29 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Howlin

Where did CBS get these documents?


43 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:29 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.)
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To: Howlin

"Let's do some investigating."

Fine idea! We should start with dan rather, whom I think may have made some conflicting and public claims about his bum's rush from the United States Marine Corps. Any experts on this?

(I wonder if Mr. rather's hatred of things military may stem from his rejection from same.)


44 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:43 PM PDT by Seaplaner ( "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last." Winston Churchill)
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To: Shermy
I Love A Mystery ping.
45 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:52 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: cohokie

You can tell by looking. In a proportionally spaced font, the width of each letter as printed is depends on what the letter is and is not uniform from one letter to another. In a proportionally spaced font like Palatino or Times New Roman, an upper case "W" is much wider than a lower case "i" or "l". In a monospaced typewriter font like courier, all letters are the exact same width. The development of monospaced fonts was necessitated by the technical limitation that typewriters advanced the platen (or the ball in the case of Selectrics) a uniform distance for each character. Monospaced fonts are measured by characters per inch, or cpi, 10, 11 and 12 being the most common in office documents. This measurement is completely useless with proportionally spaced fonts, except as an average. These memos clearly use a proportionally spaced font.


46 posted on 09/08/2004 9:41:56 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: NYCVirago

I cannot believe that these 3 Killian documents are the only ones found. There must be more so where are they? If no more memos exist, than these are likely fake.


47 posted on 09/08/2004 9:42:19 PM PDT by demlosers (54 days left until the Kerry campaign is put out of its misery.)
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To: NYCVirago
One other thing: It also doesn't pass the smell test that these documents, which are essentially personal memos to oneself from 1972, would be around in 2004, 20 years after the person's death. Family members do not keep those sort of paperwork around for a dead person.

That has been my point all night. You do not write these kinds of documents to yourself since they show the author to be derelict in his follow up. There are NO distribution lists on any of these memos.

48 posted on 09/08/2004 9:43:40 PM PDT by Texasforever (Kerry's new slogan "IT'S NOT THE STUPID CANDIDATE SO STOP SAYING THAT")
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To: fat city
In the very early 70's, the military's state-of-the-art word processing was done on IBM MTST Composers. They used a monospaced font printing format but used the same "font balls" (about the size of ping-pong balls and had changeable font types) as the IBM selectric typewriters.

could they do

superscript

like in the may 4 memo?
49 posted on 09/08/2004 9:44:51 PM PDT by rocklobster11
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To: fat city; okie01

The information you supplied materially advances the ball. Thanks.


50 posted on 09/08/2004 9:46:15 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: NYCVirago

Nicely centered too!.

Cute touch on the one where it says "qualified Vietnam pilots". OK, I though the liberal spin was that the F-102 never served in Vietnam. It did, but not around the date of this letter.

The proportional fonts is a red flag for me, but not for the "journalists" at CBS. Journalism at the major networks is SO embarassing, I rather tell people that I play piano in a whorehouse than admit to being part of "Network News".


51 posted on 09/08/2004 9:46:22 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (KERRY IS A POODLE: #1 He's French, #2 He's A Rich Woman's Pet, #3 He Won't Protect You)
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To: Howlin
Noticed something, the type face looks legit, problem is some of the characters are not to scale.

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/BushGuardaugust1.pdf

If you look at the letters closely, you can see that the same exact character on the same document will vary in scale slightly as compared to the same letter else where. I thought it was a fluke at first until I saw one that was really obvious unless his Typewriter had two capital letter "A"s.

Look very very carefully at white areas of shading. there are block slide shading consistent with a cut and paste where they were sloppy. Shading around the body doesn't have the same consistency of the header.
52 posted on 09/08/2004 9:46:25 PM PDT by dila813
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To: wildbill

Why is this Houston when Bush was in Alabama?


53 posted on 09/08/2004 9:47:19 PM PDT by dila813
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To: okie01

As I recall, the IBM Selectric was named thusly because you could buy different font "balls" for it.

Instead of font letters at the end of arms that slammed up onto the ribbon and paper at the touch of a key, the Selectric had a ball with all the letters around on its surface. Whenever you touched a key, the ball spun around and hit the ribbon and paper.

I know that may not give a very good description but whatyawant for midnight.


54 posted on 09/08/2004 9:47:44 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: Howlin

Fellow Freepers do your best work on these obviously phony documents.
Let's document and prove they are a hoax put out by Kerry's cronies. The media whore cbs is a willing accomplice.

Go get'em!!!


55 posted on 09/08/2004 9:47:49 PM PDT by popparollo (Johnny we know your machine is at work!DISHONEST!!DISHONORABLE!!!COWARD!!!!)
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To: NYCVirago

I think we're starting to drink the Kool-aid ourselves. I'm not sure waht was available in 1972-1973, but in 1975 I had an IBM Selectric that how proportional Times Roman serifed font.


56 posted on 09/08/2004 9:48:31 PM PDT by dwaynestomp
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To: Mike Darancette
This is all they said:

But 60 Minutes has obtained a number of documents we are told were taken from Col. Killian's personal file. Among them, a never-before-seen memorandum from May 1972, where Killian writes that Lt. Bush called him to talk about "how he can get out of coming to drill from now through November."

57 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:00 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
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To: NYCVirago

You are right, commas and periods are too close to the other letters and they are not consistent.


58 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:54 PM PDT by dila813
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To: Texasforever

"You do not write these kinds of documents to yourself since they show the author to be derelict in his follow up"

Such a memo would also ruin the writer's military career if it were ever seen by someone higher up in the command structure. If those "people upstairs" knew the writer was keeping a secret file detailing their "special treatment" of Bush, he would never see another promotion for the rest of his career. No one would be foolish enough to keep such an incriminating memo in his office. And if it wasn't in his office, why such a professional (and, in 1972, labor intensive) typing job?


59 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:54 PM PDT by Law is not justice but process
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To: fat city
Worked lots of those IBM Selectrics used as computer terminals. The "golf balls" were $100 each and the "teeth" broke if you installed them improperly. We used to pay $45 to get them fixed.

This hoax could be the new "Hilter Diaries". The media fell for that one too.

60 posted on 09/08/2004 9:49:56 PM PDT by Doctor Raoul (KERRY IS A POODLE: #1 He's French, #2 He's A Rich Woman's Pet, #3 He Won't Protect You)
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