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60 Minutes Documents on Bush Might Be Fake
CNS News ^ | September 9, 2004 | Melanie Hunter

Posted on 09/09/2004 11:44:01 AM PDT by Peach

Thursday, September 09, 2004 2:41 PM EST

By Melanie Hunter CNSNews.com Deputy Managing Editor September 09, 2004 02:34 pm

'60 Minutes' Documents on Bush Might Be Fake

(CNSNews.com) - The 32-year-old documents produced Wednesday by the CBS News program "60 Minutes," shedding a negative light on President Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, may have been forged using a current word processing program, according to typography experts. Three independent typography experts told CNSNews.com they were suspicious of the documents from 1972 and 1973 because they were typed using a proportional font, not common at that time, and they used a superscript font feature found in today's Microsoft Word program. More to Come


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To: Diogenesis

You are correct! Only recent years did the Air Force start using addresses for their offices. At Wright-Patterson the address would have been: HQ AFLC/CC and on the next line Wright-Patterson AFB, OH 45433 -- no street addresses.

When we had Mobilization Assistants into our office we had to change the signature block from USAF to USAFR
following the rank.

th was not available.

Lack of letterhead bothers me a lot and the address is not how any I have ever seen addresses. Where is the unit address like 2750th ABW/SP?


251 posted on 09/09/2004 3:42:40 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: RightWingConspirator

Also when referencing a member of the military you had to write the service number changed to SSN behind his name so there could be no doubt and the full name was written out.


252 posted on 09/09/2004 3:44:32 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: Howlin; Alamo-Girl
Howlin---just many XXX an OOO's.

Your idea was timely and so very important. You have stood up for our President, and even more importantly, for the NEED for our press to present the truth of FACE the consequences. Thank GOD for the internet and especially for this fine forum.

AG-I am remembering other times when FR helped to bring forth the truth...especially the downside legacy of billy klinton! How we worked on that!

And on WACO (how that one hurt our hearts)

And on what seems like a thousand other assaults against our culture and constitutional foundations by the clinton reign of terror!

253 posted on 09/09/2004 3:49:04 PM PDT by Republic (Terri Schiavo,saved by TERRI's LAW after 7 days of starvation, fights ACLU-Felos to keep law intact)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Just as Linux challenged the MS monopoly ...

'open source' blogging is challenging the MSM monopoly.


254 posted on 09/09/2004 3:49:54 PM PDT by WOSG (George W Bush / Dick Cheney - Right for our Times!)
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To: N. Theknow
Connie Chung would never have let this happen.

That's low, cruel and despicable, but oh so appropriate. :)

255 posted on 09/09/2004 3:54:42 PM PDT by El Gato (Federal Judges can twist the Constitution into anything.. Or so they think.)
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To: PhiKapMom

I was stationed at AFLC HQ from 1 Aug 77 to 1 May 81. DCS Plans and Programs.


256 posted on 09/09/2004 3:57:26 PM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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To: PhiKapMom
carbon paper but not the carbon paper you are thinking of -- we had boxes with different colored thin sheets for copies with the cheap one time use carbon paper attached and you had to tear them off.

At this guy's level in the ANG, you would have had to jump through hoops to get a Memo copied. Just didn't happen. At MAJCOM we had Xerox machines but the only one you didn't have to get approval was the one we had in the Command Section for our use. Memo's for the Record were not something in those days you could have gotten copied.

Thanks, that's what I suspected. My recollection is that a carbon copy was immediately recognizable; never having the crispness of the original. I wonder if the fraudbusters out there are old enough to remember what an original carbon copy looked like?

257 posted on 09/09/2004 3:58:49 PM PDT by fso301
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To: Centurion2000

"Hmm ... is it slander or libel if defamation of character is performed on TV ?"

Spoken words are slander - written is libel. Oddly, this seems to be both.


258 posted on 09/09/2004 4:14:27 PM PDT by PeterFinn ("John Kerry is a flip-flopper and a phony" - Howell Raines quoted in the Wash. Post)
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To: Spok

I think it will turn out to be proven that Blather and CBS knew these docs were phony..and that they know who created them...a well-known rat who will be exposed to save Blather from going to jail. [I can always wish]


259 posted on 09/09/2004 4:32:06 PM PDT by Indie (Ignorance of the truth is no excuse for stupidity.)
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To: gilliam

They are often copyrighted as well.


260 posted on 09/09/2004 4:41:33 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: RightWingConspirator

That's the first organization I worked in when it was just DCS/Plans and then a short time later it became Plans and Programs. Small world! If I remember, you guys were right outside the Command Section on the 2nd floor.


261 posted on 09/09/2004 5:03:37 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: fso301

Carbon copies were fuzzy on the yellow (we used yellow for the file copy) and when making a copy of one it was much fuzzier then these.


262 posted on 09/09/2004 5:05:21 PM PDT by PhiKapMom (AOII Mom -- Oklahoma is Reagan Country and now Bush Country -- Kerry is DOOMED!)
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To: FLAMING DEATH

...that cinches it no friggen typewriter could make the same document,,,,another dead giveaway is the centered letterhead in the same font which is impossible to do on a typewriter.. They would have used preprinted letterhead back then also..


263 posted on 09/09/2004 5:32:56 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (AND)
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To: All
My question would be if they are such sloppy forgeries, then how could the Dems be so dumb and think that they wouldn't be caught?

The fact that they are such blatant forgeries makes me a little cautious, this may be getting too much free publicity for my liking

CD

264 posted on 09/09/2004 5:34:15 PM PDT by Coffee_drinker (Bush will not outsource our national security!)
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To: Peach
All you guys, and ladies, who served during the time frame of these "documents", get out your discharge papers and compare the fonts used back then. You can post your observations and see if ANY of them look anything like the ones CBS showed as authentic.

I got out MY discharge papers and noticed BIG differences, like the numbers 2 and 4 and the overall look of the type spacing, but I was discharged in 1962, so we need a comparison of the correct time frame.

You could scan a section, which doesn't give revealing information about yourself and post it on this forum and compare with each other, to see if there is any differences.
265 posted on 09/09/2004 5:40:44 PM PDT by RetSignman (Forever Optimistic)
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To: Cboldt

It still couldnt do superscripts in a smaller typeface plus the dead giveaway that its a forgery is the PERFECTLY CENTERED and typed letterhead. It is so difficult to perfectly center 3 lines in seccession that for routine correspondence like this, there would have been PRE-PRINTED letterhead,,,with a P.O. Box for an address, (very strange),,
instead of the completely typed out forgery that was shown.... a crude forgery for political purposes no doubt in my military mind.

Was in the military and we had preprinted forms for everything never started with a blank sheet of paper, here we have a blank sheet....LOL


266 posted on 09/09/2004 5:57:09 PM PDT by aspiring.hillbilly (AND)
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To: Peach

Maybe, it's time to go back and look at ALL of Kerry's military "documents", there MAY be something interesting THERE.


267 posted on 09/09/2004 6:01:16 PM PDT by RetSignman (Forever Optimistic)
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To: Peach

bump (for more exposure)...
(for the Biblical crowd: last phrase of Numbers 32:23)


268 posted on 09/09/2004 6:01:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: ohioconservative
Now Goldberg should have more than enough material for his next book.

That's for sure and for a reprinting of this book.....

269 posted on 09/09/2004 6:20:38 PM PDT by b4its2late (John John Kerry Edwards change positions more often than a Nevada prostitute!!!)
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To: NRA1995

Al Gore will show up there in a bikini at the loser's speech. Al must have finally realized he was a woman trapped inside of a beta male's body.


270 posted on 09/09/2004 6:37:09 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat (These Colors Never Run( 7.62) "See Ya"ll At The VA Clinic" "Xin Loi My Boy")
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To: Republic

Thank you so much for all your kind words and encouragements! Indeed, Freepers are awesome when they engage to research. It is an honor to be part of this team.


271 posted on 09/09/2004 7:52:08 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: woodb01

Thanks, fellow FReeper, for the links provided in post # 36! That was GREAT fun! BIG user of Allegra here (damp, humid climate) so I went to Aventis to respond. I did not like divulging all of the personal info before it would allow me to submit to the site, but they can check it out; it is legit, and they can verify it through purchasing records (as if they will have the time to do so now with the flood of responses....)

Basically I asked why they supported the networks, or if they would continue to do so in light of today's breaking story. Then I asked, (even though it was not among the 'menu options'), that they respond publicly to the controversy today rather than via an anonymous email to my *required* email address. Without the personal email address the site would not accept my entry. However, I followed with a message that even if by private email, their response would be shared 'widely.'

Guess I will be in touch, FReepers, with additional information once I have the 'official' (panicked) response....


272 posted on 09/09/2004 8:53:40 PM PDT by ZOTnot ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good".---Hillary)
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To: NRA1995

"Don't cry for me, Argentina?"

(or would that be "Don't cry for me, North Carolina"....)


273 posted on 09/09/2004 8:56:10 PM PDT by ZOTnot ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good".---Hillary)
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To: Peach

274 posted on 09/09/2004 10:33:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: JCEccles

>>I assure you, NO ONE in the guard or Air Force was using a photostatic copier to prepare file copies of these documents in 1971-1973.

Careful with that one. Dad was at the Pentagon in that time frame, and I have a jokes binder from that era that was generated on early Xerox machines there. The early version of the joke email list was for guys to run 4-5 copies and hand them to their friends.


275 posted on 09/09/2004 11:43:36 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (hoplophobia is a mental aberration rather than a mere attitude)
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To: Grampa Dave

The New York Post today mentions Free Republic as being first with this story:

http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/28276.htm


276 posted on 09/10/2004 4:18:48 AM PDT by Peach (The Clinton's pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: Peach

Proof that FreeRepublic is more important now than ever!


277 posted on 09/10/2004 4:20:38 AM PDT by EaglesUpForever
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To: ZOTnot

Whatever it is the fat lady sings when it's over


278 posted on 09/10/2004 4:46:43 AM PDT by NRA1995 (I'm a happy Republican goon)
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To: woodb01

Great Job!

Please post this as thread by itself.

Then, we can let these sponsors know how poed we are, and that there are excellent alternatives to their stores or products.

It is time to Slim Fast these sponsors of the forging liars of CBS!


279 posted on 09/10/2004 5:46:49 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Kerry = The Wrong Candidate in the Wrong Country at the Wrong Time (post 9/11)!)
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To: PhiKapMom

When were you there? We had Gen Estes (a really nasty person) when I got there, then Gen Marquez (a really great guy) as DCS/Plans and Programs while I was there. We were about halfway down buiding 262, second floor, right across from the Credit Union.


280 posted on 09/10/2004 8:17:53 AM PDT by RightWingConspirator (Glad that Ted the Boorish Drunk, Hitlery the Witch and John Fonda/Fraud Kerry are not my senators.)
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