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Latest IEM Electronic Market Numbers In (Bush Reverses Pre-Debate Decline, wins "Debate Day"
Iowa Electronic Market ^ | September 30th, 2004 | Remember_Salamis

Posted on 09/30/2004 10:32:18 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis



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1 posted on 09/30/2004 10:32:19 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis

Still looking strong.


2 posted on 09/30/2004 10:33:16 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Jet Jaguar

what caused the dip on 9-26 for Bush ?


3 posted on 09/30/2004 10:35:07 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax

what caused the dip on 9-26 for Bush ?
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Arbitragers probably for one thing. Iowa got much higher for Bush than Tradesport. So it had to come down.


4 posted on 09/30/2004 10:37:22 PM PDT by JLS
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To: kingattax

If I remember correctly, some hijinx by the dems. Putting alot of money into it. Too much for the time period.

I do not know if that is correct or waht happened following that.


5 posted on 09/30/2004 10:38:35 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: kingattax

I suspect that people sold after the large gains made since the convention: If you bought Bush stock at $0.50 and sold at $0.74, that's a 48% profit margin that simple can't be passed up. On top of that, there may have been an urge to take a flyer on Kerry stock, trying to make a quick busk on a potential Bush blunder.


6 posted on 09/30/2004 10:40:14 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis

thanks to all for the answers....but it's going back up it

looks like for Bush


7 posted on 09/30/2004 10:41:46 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: Remember_Salamis

Is your title correct? It doesn't make sense the way it stands.


8 posted on 09/30/2004 10:42:37 PM PDT by patriciaruth (They are all Mike Spanns)
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To: patriciaruth

Yup. Right before the debate, Bush stock was dropping; it went bvack up on debate day, reversing the trend.


9 posted on 09/30/2004 10:43:28 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (Freedom is Not Free)
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To: Remember_Salamis
What is this? And what does it mean? I have seen this referred to several times and still am clueless. Anybody out there who will take a few seconds to educate me?
10 posted on 09/30/2004 10:45:32 PM PDT by reflecting (I'm reading what all of you are saying)
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To: reflecting

For the short version, the IEM, or Iowa Electronic Market, is an academic-run, real-money futures market. Among various issue classes traded, several revolve around political races. Participants buy or sell shares based on the victory of either of the two candidates. A share purchase at a given price will return $1.00 in the event of that cabdidate's victory, nothing in the event of that candidate's loss. The higher the share price, the lower the return, and thus the higher the probability of that particular result. There is a lot more to it, and there are variations that are traded. Click the link in the lead post to visit the IEM site and read up on it.


11 posted on 09/30/2004 10:56:27 PM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: reflecting
What is this? And what does it mean? I have seen this referred to several times and still am clueless. Anybody out there who will take a few seconds to educate me?

Here goes. This futures market will pay $1.00 to each correct bettor on the Bush-Kerry race. At this point, you only have to spend $.35 to win a buck on Kerry and you have to pony-up $.65 to get a buck if Bush wins. These markets have proven to be extremely accurate in the past, both during the campaigns and in picking the final winner in the closing days of the campaign.

12 posted on 09/30/2004 10:57:13 PM PDT by DJtex (;)
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To: Remember_Salamis

E. Was more likeable
Kerry Bush Both/ equally Neither No
2004 Sep 30 41 48 9 1 1

F. Demonstrated he is tough enough for the job
Kerry Bush Both/ equally Neither No opinion
2004 Sep 30 37 54 8 1 *


2000 Redux? Pundits say Kerry but people say Bush?


13 posted on 09/30/2004 11:00:54 PM PDT by skaterboy
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To: reflecting

Iowa Electronic Markets

http://news.google.com/news?q=Iowa+Electronic+Markets+&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&sa=N&tab=nn&oi=newsr

People bet on the outcome of the election. They poll by their dollars.

Bush is ahead.

also check tradesport.com
or momaw nadons weekly post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1228090/posts

Another bet your money on the winner. These "polls" are like stock market bets. They are new so I don't know what the record is.


14 posted on 09/30/2004 11:01:00 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Who would the terrorists vote for?)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I've never understood what this is all about. I'm no dummy but, I'm lost on this. I take your word for it that it is good for our team.


15 posted on 09/30/2004 11:02:11 PM PDT by no dems (Does the BC/'04 Campaign staff monitor this website? If not, they should.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Bush bounce to the top!


16 posted on 09/30/2004 11:04:13 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: timberlandko; DJtex
Ahhh.. thanks so much...so good news for us! People who gamble think Bush will win. Just another crazy aside, how is this not illegal? A university is doing this? Will the university make a profit?

forgive my ignorance but how is this different than playing the numbers with the local bookie? A University is doing this????

17 posted on 09/30/2004 11:18:50 PM PDT by reflecting (I'm reading what all of you are saying)
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To: reflecting

Yeah, its an academic project - or a subset of an academic project, more accurately. It is perfectly legal, and there is no profit made by the university; it is no different than a commodities futures exchange on which participants trade for future contracts to buy or sell goods based on a trader's expectation of the difference between today's prices and the prevailing market price at contract expiration. ... if at the expiration of the contract period the market has moved in the direction expected by today's trader, the trader "wins" ... if not, the trader does not. "Events Futures" have been around for about a dozen years, tracking everything from the Fed Funds Rate to the course of economic expansion. All in all, their "accuracy", or error rate, has been significantly superior to that evidenced by traditional polling and forecasting methods, strikingly so as the scheduled end of the study period approaches. A couple years ago, there was talk of a government-sponsored futures market dealing with such things as threats to national security. The idiotarians shouted it down.

The sports books, of which there are many, have an enviable track record when it comes to picking political events, too. It would appear folks playing with their own real money tend to think about things a bit more than do folks who merely answer the phone or place checkmarks in survey question boxes. Thats not very surprising.

And yes, the trendings of the futures markets and of the sports books is very good for "our side" ... has been for quite a while. Most of the pollsters amd pundits were caught off guard by the results of the '02 mid-term elections, for instance. The books and the futures markets were not. The "Real Money Guessers" have been going "our way" since and before that, right along with the actual electoral results.


18 posted on 10/01/2004 1:52:15 AM PDT by timberlandko (Murphy was an optimist.)
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To: reflecting
forgive my ignorance but how is this different than playing the numbers with the local bookie?

Professors usually don't break kneecaps when you don't pay up?

19 posted on 10/01/2004 10:18:59 AM PDT by talleyman (The Kerry Sutra - 1001 positions, every one scr*wed...)
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LOL , thanks


20 posted on 10/01/2004 10:52:57 AM PDT by reflecting (I'm reading what all of you are saying)
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