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MSNBC Predicts Senate Shut-Down Over Judges
MSNBC-TV | 1/4/05

Posted on 01/04/2005 9:29:29 AM PST by pabianice

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To: Preachin'

Actually, most CJ were never J. Warren Burger & Earl Warren are two examples.


61 posted on 01/04/2005 10:10:24 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: First_Salute

Charles Colson would do nicely, too.


62 posted on 01/04/2005 10:10:34 AM PST by Quix (HAVING A FORM of GODLINESS but DENYING IT'S POWER. I TIM 3:5)
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To: HMFIC
I think the PEOPLE of the USA should DEMAND 100% attendance and 100% VOTE of their pay is PRO-RATED! They miss 50% of the votes, they are CANNED and immediate elections are held in their home state. Their pay is withheld. Time to get tough on these lazy bastards. They are aggravating the Gunny!

This issue isn't up to the people. It's up to each House. No way will the Senate censure anyone for absence due to campaigning for another office. After all, every man Jack of them (and every woman Jill) thinks they could and should be President, Governor, or Supreme Court Justice.

I understand your aggravation, Gunny. Senators can be accused of a lot of things, but most of them do work pretty hard. This is not necessarily an advantage for the rest of us. Frankly, we'd be better off if more of them were slackers and not working overtime to figure out way to tax us, regulate us and generally makes things harder rather than easier.

63 posted on 01/04/2005 10:16:56 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: You Dirty Rats

CJ Taft, don't forget.


64 posted on 01/04/2005 10:18:28 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Spok
Repubs may have to "go nuclear."
Let's hope they're up to it.

That sounds attractive, ostensibly. But a cautionary note: had the Republicans gone "nuclear" when they controlled the Senate in the early and mid-80's, we would have HillaryCare today. It was only Phil Gramm whipping the Democrat majority--with the filibuster option--that kept it from being rammed down our throats.

My rule of thumb is that anything (legal, of course) that prevents any deliberative government body from functioning is not only not bad, but a positive good. Another rule of thumb: anything we propose for a short-term solution is going to be used against us in the long-term, so we had better be able to stomach it.

65 posted on 01/04/2005 10:19:10 AM PST by jammer
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To: jammer
My rule of thumb is that anything (legal, of course) that prevents any deliberative government body from functioning is not only not bad, but a positive good.

I think the filibuster is a good idea for legislation, but not for confirming appointments. Also, I don't think stopping votes for or against confirmation of Presidential appointments is a "positive good." Leaving Cabinet Secretaries, Ambassadors, Judges, etc. vacant for long periods of time is not a good idea.

66 posted on 01/04/2005 10:23:40 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: ConservativeDude
CJ Taft, don't forget.

Living in Ohio, I'm trying to forget the name "Taft". Our current Governor is mediocre on his best days.

67 posted on 01/04/2005 10:24:34 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: pabianice

Shut the whole mess down.


68 posted on 01/04/2005 10:25:22 AM PST by lodwick
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To: Spok
Unfortunately, the Republicans do NOT have the balls to make the fillabustering Democrats stand and the podium and continue speaking until they pee their pants. What's a good fillabuster without some pain?
69 posted on 01/04/2005 10:25:37 AM PST by pointsal
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To: Preachin'

Taft?


70 posted on 01/04/2005 10:26:17 AM PST by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: You Dirty Rats

Well, there are two points you make. The second, with respect to vacancies, is a debate for another time. Your first, I agree with. I'm not sure that the "advise and consent" clause contemplated the shennanigans found now or, even, the process that is set up.


71 posted on 01/04/2005 10:28:12 AM PST by jammer
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To: MplsSteve

My guess is that any significant delay tactic used by the Dems...will cost them at least 2 million votes in the next election. Alot of folks are simply tired of bogus "wait them out" game...and its public knowledge now...the blogs and Fox can sit there and draw public attention without the aid of NBC or CNN.


72 posted on 01/04/2005 10:28:25 AM PST by pepsionice
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To: sphinx
I would love to hear your secret formula for holding Chaffee, Snowe, Collins, and Specter in line

I wish I knew. I think it is nearly impossible. The ones you list care not about the principles upon which this great Republic was founded, but care more about "getting" along. They have been in Washington so long that they fully understand there will be no consequence in opposing Bush (other than verbal ramblings). That's politics.

73 posted on 01/04/2005 10:35:57 AM PST by liberty2004
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To: The KG9 Kid
It does not matter who makes the Point of Order from the floor that Rule XXII (cloture of debate to end a filibuster) cannot apply to a judicial confirmation debate. The critical player is not the Senator who makes the objection. It is Majority Leader Frist, who has to count the noses and make absolutely certain that the Ruling from the Chair on that Point of Order WILL BE UPHELD.

The only thing worse than not attempting to restore the confirmation of judges to its judicial parameters, is to attempt it and FAIL.

Billybob

74 posted on 01/04/2005 10:42:02 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: jammer
You are assuming that the "nuclear" option, which is really the "constitutional" option, would eliminate the filibuster in the Senate for all purpose. That assumption is false. The option would eliminate the filibuster only for judicial appointments. It would remain in effect for ordinary legislation, which was your point about Hillary!Care.

Don't confuse the apples and the oranges.

Congressman Billybob

Click for latest, "A Tale of Two Grinches, US and UN"

75 posted on 01/04/2005 10:50:07 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: jammer
"Advise and Consent" from the beginning in 1789, has meant that a majority of the Senators must concur. It has always meant that, and nothing different. Compare with the ratification of treaties (in the same clause in the Constitution). On treaties the Senate must approve by two-thirds, because the Constitution says so, on that issue.

Billybob
76 posted on 01/04/2005 10:53:26 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
And Taft had been previously President of the US.
77 posted on 01/04/2005 11:11:23 AM PST by alessandrofiaschi
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To: HMFIC

Van Republicans vote in their absence if they refuse to come in?


78 posted on 01/04/2005 11:29:39 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: You Dirty Rats
According to Article I, a majority of a House can compel the attendance of absent members. Frist will need to hire bounty hunters.

Before he could do that, Frist will have to find a backbone somewhere.

79 posted on 01/04/2005 11:33:33 AM PST by processing please hold (Islam and Christianity do not mix ----9-11 taught us that)
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To: pbrown
Before he could do that, Frist will have to find a backbone somewhere.

You think Frist is to blame for there having been insufficient Senators to uphold the nucular [sic] option? There weren't 50 votes in the last Congress! We had 51 Republicans, plus Zell; however, there were some that would not have gone along with the vote (the Maine gals and Chafee, at least).

80 posted on 01/04/2005 11:39:28 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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