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CBS Independent Panel Review Credits Free Republic
foxnews ^ | 1/10/04 | CBS Investigatory Panel

Posted on 01/10/2005 8:57:57 AM PST by FreeTheHostages

Check out the actual investigatory panel report -- it credits Free Republic (accurately) for first questioning the authenticity of thye documents. The actual investigatory report can be seen

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Free Republic; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bernardgoldberg; buckhead; cbs; cbsnews; ccrm; coverup; fr; hackworthinvolved; howlin; kctanker; nationalguard; planetofthemapes; rather; ratherbiased; rathergate; ratherreport; seebsnews
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1 posted on 01/10/2005 8:57:57 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

Hmm, I just posted this wrong. I meant to give you all the specific reference. The report is at http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/cbs_report.pdf and the reference to Free Republic is at page 153 (as physically imprinted on the report) and accompanying footnote 85 (page 163 as Adobe Acrobat numbers the pages).


2 posted on 01/10/2005 9:01:42 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

I'm actually bordering on impressed with the CBS panel. 4 firings, an admission that they screwed the pooch on the story from jump street. It's almost a complete confession of wrongdoing.


3 posted on 01/10/2005 9:02:17 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Memo to John F. Kerry - We don't send losers to rebuild Iraq)
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To: FreeTheHostages

Like adding salt to a wound for CBS I suspect.


4 posted on 01/10/2005 9:02:28 AM PST by Critical Bill
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To: Jen

What was that you were telling me about pajamas?...


5 posted on 01/10/2005 9:03:08 AM PST by PreviouslyA-Lurker (Some Americans don't understand that being an American is more than living in America.)
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To: FreeTheHostages

Nice. Now it's official.


6 posted on 01/10/2005 9:03:19 AM PST by Huck (I only type LOL when I'm really LOL.)
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To: FreeTheHostages
Page 163, troops! WOO-HOO!


7 posted on 01/10/2005 9:03:41 AM PST by Viking2002 (Taglines? Vikings don't need no steenkin' taglines..............)
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To: TankerKC; Buckhead

Gentlemen ... a renewed thanks to you and a simple question - were you interviewed by the panel or their minions as part of their investigation for the report?


8 posted on 01/10/2005 9:04:05 AM PST by NonValueAdded ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good" HRC 6/28/2004)
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To: FreeTheHostages

That's great. It was a collaborative effort on the part of the Freepers involved, but Howlin got the ball rolling. No offense to Buckhead, yet gotta give credit where credit is due. It's Howlin who should be the "famous blogger".


9 posted on 01/10/2005 9:04:18 AM PST by Jenya (I'm a newbie here, but not to life. Don't even think of imposing your seniority on me.)
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To: .cnI redruM

I don't think the panel's conclusion that there was no political agenda at See-BS is credible, but this ain't all bad.


10 posted on 01/10/2005 9:04:30 AM PST by Ironclad (O Tempora! O Mores!)
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To: .cnI redruM

I'm not impressed. They're still not admitting the memo was a forgery. And they still don't seem a bit peeved that they were taken for a ride. Wouldn't you think a credible news organization would sue the pants off someone who scammed them like this? Yet CBS is just letting the forger off the hook. Doesn't make it with me.


11 posted on 01/10/2005 9:04:38 AM PST by randita
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To: .cnI redruM

If it wasn't for the capital "M" at the end of your name I would have missed the real meaning.;)


12 posted on 01/10/2005 9:05:27 AM PST by Critical Bill
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To: FreeTheHostages
Cool. (There I go, rambling on again.)
13 posted on 01/10/2005 9:05:33 AM PST by #1CTYankee
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To: FreeTheHostages
The attacks on the September 8 Segment began virtually immediately. One of the first came on freerepublic.com, a website:
[E]very single one of these memos to file is in a proportionally spaced font, probably Palatino or Times New Roman. In 1972 people used typewriters for this sort of thing, and typewriters used monospaced fonts. The use of proportionally spaced fonts did not come into common use for office memos until the introduction of laser printers, word processing software, and personal computers. They were not widespread until the mid to late 90’s. Before then, you needed typesetting equipment, and that wasn’t used for personal memos to file. Even the Wang systems that were dominant in the mid 80’s used monospaced fonts. I am saying these documents are forgeries, run through a copier for 15 generations to make them look old.85
85 Harry MacDougald, Documents Suggest Special Treatment for Bush in Guard, Sept. 8, 2004, at http://freerepublic.com/focuslf-news/1210662/posts?q=1&&page=1
14 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:16 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: Jenya

They actually name the blogger by name in the footnote, but I'm not inclined to name names here. (Too much harassment from liberals ensures.)


15 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:22 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

Liberal women fired


Liberal men skate.


16 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:36 AM PST by bmwcyle (Washington DC RINO Hunting Guide)
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To: PreviouslyA-Lurker

17 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:54 AM PST by big'ol_freeper ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought."-Pope JPII)
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To: FreeTheHostages
Wonderful!

When does the impartial investigative report on the Oil-for-Food massive U.N. embezzlement become public?

18 posted on 01/10/2005 9:06:56 AM PST by Publius6961 (The most abundant things in the universe are hydrogen, ignorance and stupidity.)
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To: randita

It is better that I thought that they would manage, but they are still drinking the Cool Aid about political bias.


19 posted on 01/10/2005 9:07:03 AM PST by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: aruanan

ping


20 posted on 01/10/2005 9:07:26 AM PST by snopercod (Due to the graphic nature of this tagline, viewer discretion is advised.)
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To: Buckhead

Ping!


21 posted on 01/10/2005 9:07:27 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: FreeTheHostages
Site Meter
Freepers, Powerline, Little Green Footballs... and 110 days later - CBS...
22 posted on 01/10/2005 9:07:54 AM PST by KMC1
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To: FreeTheHostages

23 posted on 01/10/2005 9:08:11 AM PST by KJC1 (overused DUmmie words: fascist, hubris, disenfranchisement)
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To: .cnI redruM
It's almost a complete confession of wrongdoing.

It's a lot to read..but I don't see the apology. (other than what Rather said on the air)

WHERE IS THE APOLOGY?

24 posted on 01/10/2005 9:09:07 AM PST by Wheee The People (Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang. Oo ee oo ah ah, ting tang, walla-walla bing bang!)
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To: randita
That's a major point. They can't bring themselves to say it was fake, a forgery, phony. If they said that, then the charge of political bias would stick. Their story is "competitive pressure to be first with the story," which is bunk.
25 posted on 01/10/2005 9:09:24 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (If I've told you once, I've told you a thousand times: No cliches!)
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To: FreeTheHostages

26 posted on 01/10/2005 9:09:35 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (“I know a great deal about the Middle East because I’ve been raising Arabian horses" Patrick Swazey)
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To: Jenya
No offense to Buckhead

Buckhead never claimed sole credit. It actually took a lot of people on a lot of sites to nail the coffin shut. It really wasn't over until the font experts proved it was a TrueType document, and that there was nothing in the 1970s that could produce the character spacing.

It is significant that not a single original 1970 document from any source -- military or civilian -- has been produced with a matching character spacing.

27 posted on 01/10/2005 9:09:47 AM PST by js1138 (D*mn, I Missed!)
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To: 4ConservativeJustices

"attacks"????.....or questions?...no bias here, eh?


28 posted on 01/10/2005 9:10:11 AM PST by ken5050
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To: KMC1

"Freepers, Powerline, Little Green Footballs... and 110 days later - CBS..."


LOL!! You win the best-in-the-first-25-posts award. That just about says it all.


I should have been more careful with my title, I suppose. The panel says FR was one of the first. It was certainly that and I think more: I think it was the first and the heaviest and most continuous.

I've always loved the men in pajamas comment. First of all, it's totally sexist! Second, it shows you what a bunch of idiots this CBS team is: *if* anyone in pajamas can figure out this is a forgery, why can't they?


29 posted on 01/10/2005 9:10:30 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: ken5050

btt


30 posted on 01/10/2005 9:11:41 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

"(Too much harassment from liberals ensures.)"

I've been here almost 7 years, have always used my real name and anyone can find me in the phone book and have never had an unwanted phone call or e-mail because of it.


31 posted on 01/10/2005 9:12:17 AM PST by dalereed
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To: js1138

"It actually took a lot of people on a lot of sites to nail the coffin shut"

Yes. Won't matter if anyone touts one name or the other: everyone knows that it was a group effort. (Which, for my part, I watched from the sidelines with fascination.)


33 posted on 01/10/2005 9:12:55 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: ken5050

CBS biased? Who'd a thunk it ;o)


34 posted on 01/10/2005 9:13:03 AM PST by 4CJ (Laissez les bon FReeps rouler)
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To: FreeTheHostages

Meanwhile Keith Olberman credits DU for first pointing out the swindle Karl rove pulled off in Ohio.


35 posted on 01/10/2005 9:13:10 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Publius6961
Volcker's initial conclusions are already hitting the stands...

http://orsa.blogspot.com/2005/01/unron-auditing-not-priority-in-oil-for.html
36 posted on 01/10/2005 9:13:58 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Memo to John F. Kerry - We don't send losers to rebuild Iraq)
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To: FreeTheHostages

Welcome to our world OLD MEDIA. LOL!!


37 posted on 01/10/2005 9:14:00 AM PST by conservativecorner
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To: Publius6961
When does the impartial investigative report on the Oil-for-Food massive U.N. embezzlement become public?

When Pigs Fly. (not fall, pushed, propelled or projected) and when the Klintoons tell the Truth. not for a very, very long time hence.

38 posted on 01/10/2005 9:14:39 AM PST by skinkinthegrass (Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they aren't out to get you :^)
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To: FreeTheHostages

Way to go!!!! Thanks Buckhead and others too many to mention.


39 posted on 01/10/2005 9:14:44 AM PST by PjhCPA (Armed with what?.....SPITBALLS!!!)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Dunno, actually. I'm not the most informed on this issue. I just wanted to tell the gang what the investigatory panel said about FR. For the history of what happened here, I'm just not that useful a source. Sorry.


40 posted on 01/10/2005 9:15:27 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

It's about time!!!!!


41 posted on 01/10/2005 9:15:55 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free!)
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To: js1138

TankerKC pointed out that the memo looked bogus at 8:19pm Eastern Time -- while the broadcast was running! If it was obvious to him, why did it take CBS so long to figure it out? Someone needs to put a monacle on the CBS Eye, because they are seriesly myopic!


42 posted on 01/10/2005 9:16:11 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: .cnI redruM

My understanding is that this wasn't a CBS report, per se, but the report of an independent panel. Of course, CBS did can the four execs, but Dan Rather remains unscathed.


43 posted on 01/10/2005 9:16:22 AM PST by My2Cents
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To: Semper Paratus

CBS took a broadside hit on this one ..Nice work folks...
OK WHO"S NEXT ???? The UN I say ...weeeeeeeeeeeoooooooo


44 posted on 01/10/2005 9:16:28 AM PST by hineybona
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To: Ironclad
I don't think the panel's conclusion that there was no political agenda at See-BS is credible....

I think they were trying to get around this by citing the "myopic zeal" (which, apparently, is not bias but rather a rush to get a story onto the news... might be credible if that approach also was applied to stories negative to Democrats). In my mind, "myopic zeal" should go right up there with "fake but accurate" in the panetheon of liberal weasel wording.

45 posted on 01/10/2005 9:17:31 AM PST by GraceCoolidge
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To: Howlin; Ed_NYC; MonroeDNA; widgysoft; Springman; Timesink; dubyaismypresident; Grani; coug97; ...

46 posted on 01/10/2005 9:17:33 AM PST by mhking (Do not mess with dragons, for thou art crunchy & good with ketchup...)
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To: My2Cents; .cnI redruM

Confirming what My2Cents says. Dick Thornburgh, Attorney General under Bush I, was on the panel. He's a guy widely respected for his integrity by both parties.


47 posted on 01/10/2005 9:17:49 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages
I've always loved the men in pajamas comment. First of all, it's totally sexist!

Not really. Everyone knows that Freeper women always Freep nekkid. It's a rule of the site.

48 posted on 01/10/2005 9:18:28 AM PST by You Dirty Rats
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To: GraceCoolidge

"In my mind, "myopic zeal" should go right up there with "fake but accurate" in the panetheon of liberal weasel wording."

Well said.


49 posted on 01/10/2005 9:18:35 AM PST by FreeTheHostages
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To: FreeTheHostages

Did you really expect to see Dapper Dan, The Slander Man go for a frog march?


50 posted on 01/10/2005 9:18:49 AM PST by .cnI redruM (Memo to John F. Kerry - We don't send losers to rebuild Iraq)
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