Posted on 02/06/2005 4:18:14 PM PST by SmithL
And you would know that how?? I've watched the "non-corporal" punishment sister-in-law in action, and her attempted applications of discipline were exactly according to Dr. Spock--they just didn't work at all.
"If this thread holds true there will be not one post asking a non-beater how well their methods worked and what techniques they used."
Maybe because folks know from experience that such "non-beater" (a very "cute" phrase, by the way) methods, for the most part, don't work for most children.
re: refraining from corporal punishment
"That is because any success would be anecdotal at best, and disingenuous at worst......"
Ditto for using it.
ditto, ditto, oh and ditto.
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Their Old Testament quotes don't really work either. Solomon's child raising results were pretty awful. Read about his son Rehoboam.
No one has yet given me a biblical quote that permits mothers to hit kids or fathers to hit daughters (though they may sell daughters and the owner may beat them to death if he does it slowly enough that it takes more than a day to die.
I like your point about the fact that few people hit their pets any more.
That is a response to those who quote a handful of proverbs to support their hitting kids.
I calls 'em like I sees 'em.
And Solomon's result was Rehoboam. Read about him sometimes.
Like the woman in Texas who drowned her four kids? BTW, don't those groups have the some of the highest divorce rates?
Uh... yeah? Although spanking works fine for us.
You wrote: "And I think the use of plastic rods and special paddles is obscene."
And you would be wrong. The use of plastic rods and special paddles are a means of REPRODUCIBLY providing an instrument which will hurt but not do lasting physical damage. You were actually MORE likely to injure your child by using your hand than if you would have used a paddle (paddle spreads the force of the blow over a larger area).
You're absolutely correct.
I got really flamed by some guy a few weeks ago on a similar thread but I'll try again.
I am the proud owner of "The Rod." While rarely used, it holds tremendous value with my children. All I need to do is mention "The Rod" and they usually straighten right up.
The first thing I did upon receipt was to try the rod on myself, hard. Yup, it hurt, but it did no physical damage. Correcting a child with an instrument such as this puts a decent amount of energy on a small area of the behind. Using your entire adult hand, it's real easy to accidentally apply too much energy and knock a child around, compressing his spine in ways it shouldn't go.
Corporal punishment is meant to be a loving act of correction, not a beating done in anger. A tool like The Rod helps the kid to associate the punishment with an object, not the parent.
Flame away.
all punishments were served COLD. No anger involved (though the appearance of anger was sometimes needed).
All my kids were in one room one day and were just acting all around bad. Trying to appear real angry, I told my wife that she would need to buy a new wooden spoon when I was done. (this was before we bought "THE ROD")
I stomped into the room and meant to smack the spoon hard on the dresser with a resounding THWACK! Instead, I hit it on the edge of the dresser and it broke with a little sissy "Twink."
I broke up laughing and left the room. Score 1 for the kids. My wife was even mad at me for breaking her spoon.
Truer words were never spoken.
I rather think more damage is done by compromised "Christians" than by up-front unbelievers. Not that the latter don't do harm, but the former are propelled by a perverse guilt that constrains them to achieve emotional equilibrium at any cost. And it's usually others — and, specifically, those who provoke that guilty by their refusal to comporomise — who pay that cost.
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Perhaps the device is less injurious than hitting the child with a Bible. ;~)
When our kids were little, they never needed more than a swat or two on the upper part of the leg to 'break the pattern' and get their attention. Sir SuziQ swatted them on the fanny, but that usually just lifted them off the ground because it was so padded!
There's no need to hit a child repeatedly; they'll have your attention immediately, assuming you're not spanking for every little thing and it becomes useless because it's overused.
And you would be wrong.
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The key words here are "I think"...I, as in ME...My opinion. The use of a rod is repulsive to ME and it appears your opinion is different.
I think most caring parents do the best they can based on their upbringing, their knowledge, their temperaments, and the temperaments of their kids. My parents did the best they could based on what they knew at the time, as did their parents. I'm glad your chosen methods work for you. Mine are working for me.
One would assume that Jesus never needed a swat to the rump.
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