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Moon measurements might explain away dark energy
The New Scientist ^ | 2/19/05 | Will Knight

Posted on 02/20/2005 2:18:12 PM PST by LibWhacker

Plans to trace the Moon's orbit with extraordinary new accuracy could reveal kinks in Einstein's theory of gravity and help explain the mysterious accelerating expansion of the universe, says a US researcher.

The acceleration cannot be explained by known forces in the Universe. To account for the behaviour, cosmologists have introduced the concept of a new, as yet unseen, force - dark energy.

But Gia Dvali, of New York University, US, believes there could be another explanation. He thinks the accelerating expansion might be caused by unexpected properties of gravity, which are only seen over very large distances. Taking inspiration from string theory, which proposes the existence of several extra dimensions, Dvali, and NYU colleagues Gregory Gabadadze and Massimo Porrati, suggests that gravity may leak into an extra dimension on this large scale.

"The accelerated universe can be a window of opportunity for understanding the most fundamental aspects of gravitation, and may signal the modification of standard laws of gravity at very large distances," Dvali told an audience at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Washington DC.

Millimetre accuracy

The scheme to measure the Moon's orbit involves firing a laser beam at mirrors left on the surface by the Apollo 11 astronauts and measuring the time it takes for photons to return. This makes it possible to trace the lunar orbit and, so far, astronomers have used the technique to track it with an accuracy of a few centimetres.

Now, Tom Murphy, Chris Stubbs and Eric Adelberger at the University of Washington in Seattle, plan to use more precise laser equipment to measure the Moon's path to just a few millimetres. At this scale, Dvali's theory predicts that subtle deviations in the Moon's orbit ought to show up.

"If you mess around with gravity, orbits are one of the first things to go," agrees Licia Verde, a theoretical physicist at the University of Pennsylvania. The new experiments have yet to get funding but could take place within the next couple of years.

"One way or another it would be a fantastic result," adds Sean Carroll, at the University of Chicago. But he also warns that there could be other explanations for any deviations in the Moon's path.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cosmology; dark; energy; godsgravesglyphs; gravity; moon; physics; science; stringtheory
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1 posted on 02/20/2005 2:18:14 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker

Let's hear the "space ping".


2 posted on 02/20/2005 2:28:10 PM PST by Wiz
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To: LibWhacker
Perhaps they're drafting the orbituary for Einstenian gravity :-)
3 posted on 02/20/2005 2:28:32 PM PST by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: Mycroft Holmes
You would be interested in this. Did you get our note?

Thank you so much. It was totally unnecessary, but we appreciate what u did tons.

;)
4 posted on 02/20/2005 2:29:23 PM PST by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: sourcery

Could it be that some particularly repulsive types (insert your 'favorite' names here) repel not only most people but even astronomical objects?


5 posted on 02/20/2005 2:34:01 PM PST by GSlob
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To: GSlob

6 posted on 02/20/2005 2:43:21 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: LibWhacker
...mirrors left on the surface by the Apollo 11 astronauts...

Was it only Apollo 11 that left retroreflective arrays? Seems to me you'd need THREE sets of arrays to positively fix the Moon's position - you'd still have rotations around one and two points...

7 posted on 02/20/2005 2:48:58 PM PST by solitas (So what if I support a platform that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.3.6)
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To: Paleo Conservative

Great picture of the heaviest particle known to physics: The Moron (it's a bozon.)


8 posted on 02/20/2005 2:49:59 PM PST by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: Wiz
Let's hear the "space ping".

In space, no one can hear you ping...

9 posted on 02/20/2005 2:52:00 PM PST by TopDog2 (Tagline for rent...)
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To: solitas; LibWhacker

I think all the Apollo missons that landed on the Moon deployed laser reflectors.


10 posted on 02/20/2005 2:54:04 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Hey! Hey! Ho! Ho! Andrew Heyward's got to go!)
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To: sourcery

Is gravities effect instantaneous?

I think what I am asking is if a gravity sensing instrument points towards the sun is it accurate or is it 15 minutes off (the speed of light).


11 posted on 02/20/2005 2:56:42 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: LibWhacker

At last, some common sense.

Re-examining the basic theory.

I just about fell over LMAO when I found the basis for the whole "dark matter" theory.

Astrophysicists using new, nore accurate measuring methods, were able to determine galaxies were rotating (faster or slower) than they should according to Einsteinian models.

So rather than questioning their assumptions, they decided to just create out of thin air, 94% of the universe.

Seriously, the ENU (Expansive, non-decelerative universe) theories need close examining. (Sima, Sukenik, Sukenikov)

I could throw my own name in there because in 94 I came up with the same basic equations.

If we had a good idea of either the average thermal content of space, or the amount of the ZPE, we could come up with very accurate ideas about How old, how big, and how much it weighs.

The sad part about ENU is that the expansion will go on forever, no big crunch in the future, and the density will keep dropping.


12 posted on 02/20/2005 3:01:30 PM PST by djf
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To: LibWhacker

Interesting. The 2 Pioneers and 2 Voyagers are also moving slightly faster than expected out of the solar system.


13 posted on 02/20/2005 3:02:45 PM PST by onedoug
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To: solitas
I think you're right about that (though Apollo 11 may have left three corner reflectors, 20 feet apart, say), ito finding position. But here, as I understand it, they're only interested in distance, measured down to milimeter accuracy.

I really love this possibility mentioned in the article: "The accelerated universe can be a window of opportunity for understanding the most fundamental aspects of gravitation . . . " Wow, what's not to love about basic research? (And the Luddites continually carp that NASA didn't even invent Tang, lol!)

14 posted on 02/20/2005 3:03:38 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: onedoug

Folks have argued that the spacecraft velocities are not due to an error in relativity, but are electrostatic effects.

I don't buy it.


15 posted on 02/20/2005 3:05:36 PM PST by djf
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To: djf

Amen! I've never liked dark energy/matter. Too scary! Though the nine thousand dimensions of string theory are just about as bad! ;-)


16 posted on 02/20/2005 3:15:49 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: LeGrande
Is gravities effect instantaneous?

An excellent question, actually. See The Speed of Gravity - What the Experiments Say

17 posted on 02/20/2005 3:18:55 PM PST by sourcery (Resistance is futile: We are the Blog)
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To: djf

Given this new theory, does that mean your name will be dropping faster than formerly expected? ;^)


18 posted on 02/20/2005 3:19:30 PM PST by mikrofon (Astro BUMP)
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To: mikrofon

Probably!

;-)

I was surprised when they revised the age estimate, my estimate based on a very rough idea about the average density of the universe was quite close to theirs, ~18.3 billion years.

They have since revised it downward in the 14-15 billion year range.

http://citebase.eprints.org/cgi-bin/citations?id=oai:arXiv.org:gr-qc/0010061


19 posted on 02/20/2005 3:28:47 PM PST by djf
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To: TopDog2

Have you ever heard about the "space ping list"? Or did you mention it just for humor?


20 posted on 02/20/2005 3:31:39 PM PST by Wiz
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