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US Senate to convene emergency session. (Schiavo) Fox news. Tom Delay speaking now
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Posted on 03/19/2005 11:30:38 AM PST by Ravi

Just heard on Fox that U.S. Senate will convene today in emergency session regarding Terri Schiavo.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: 109th; culktureodeath; cultureofdeath; eugenics; euthanasia; feedingtube; greer; killingthedisabled; schiavo; terri; terrischiavo; terrisfight; tomdelay
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To: nmh

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1,241 posted on 03/19/2005 6:29:33 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: MarMema
"There are roughly 800,000 people in this country on feeding tubes."

I wouldn't doubt that is correct. Most are in an infant state such as Terri..not brain dead and they are a joy to be around.

Each has their own personality..moods etc. They are VERY much human and should never be referred to as anything less.

There are enough people around that feel compassion for these people. Why don't those that feel otherwise just let the rest take care of these precious ones like they always do and just butt the heck out.

1,242 posted on 03/19/2005 6:30:07 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: FBD

What is that protocol?


1,243 posted on 03/19/2005 6:30:35 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hildy

"For God's sake, have three Dr.'s go in, examine her and come out and report their findings. How freaking difficult can that be. "

I think we've been there, done that, and we are still here ...

Like the Dems in Florida, they will keep pushing for recounts until they get one they like...


1,244 posted on 03/19/2005 6:31:27 PM PST by RS (Keeping them honest since 1998)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

"Maybe we're witnessing a miracle here. I just saw Harkin on C-Span with Santorum and Martinez, all seeming to agree to try to save Terri. I didn't see all of it but I saw enough to know it was something I never expected to see."

Oh wow, oh wow!

I have to log off for the night but gosh, I sure wish I could get c-span up here.

Not that my husband would like that, LOL!

Take care everyone. :) I can't help but believe that all the thousands or millions of prayers directed in Terri's way aren't helping her in some way.


1,245 posted on 03/19/2005 6:32:23 PM PST by proud American in Canada
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To: Earthdweller; cajungirl

And lately the medical journals are putting out gobs of stuff about how dangerous feeding tubes (PEGs) are. It is frightening to see the onslaught.


1,246 posted on 03/19/2005 6:32:37 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma

Glory to God.


1,247 posted on 03/19/2005 6:33:10 PM PST by MarMema ("America may have won the battles, but the Nazis won the war." Virginia Delegate Bob Marshall)
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To: cajungirl

The Groningen Protocol is the proposal of doctors in the Netherlands for the establishment of an "independent committee" charged with selecting babies and other severely handicapped or disabled people for euthanasia. The original article provides some of the key details:


Under the Groningen protocol, if doctors at the hospital think a child is suffering unbearably from a terminal condition, they have the authority to end the child's life. The protocol is likely to be used primarily for newborns, but it covers any child up to age 12.

The hospital, beyond confirming the protocol in general terms, refused to discuss its details.

"It is for very sad cases," said a hospital spokesman, who declined to be identified. "After years of discussions, we made our own protocol to cover the small number of infants born with such severe disabilities that doctors can see they have extreme pain and no
hope for life. Our estimate is that it will not be used but 10 to 15 times a year."

A parent's role is limited under the protocol. While experts and critics familiar with the policy said a parent's wishes to let a child live or die naturally most likely would be considered, they note that the decision must be professional, so rests with doctors.


On Tuesday the AP carried a second story, and Drudge broadcast the news to the cyber world: The protocol was already in effect, and at least four babies had been deemed disposable, and killed.

This is either a low point, or a point of no return. The establishment of "independent committees" to dispatch non-consenting humans is nothing but a death penalty committee for innocents. Once begun, it is impossible--simply impossible--to limit the concept with any bright line. Abortion, of course, has always been limited by the physical act of birth, and once out of the womb, only the most extreme "reproductive rights" advocates have argued that the baby's natural right to live can be compromised by the mother. But now the Netherlands has gone farther--much, much farther. If the "severely retarded" may be killed upon appropriate motion, second, debate, and majority vote, why not the moderately retarded? Why not the mildly retarded? Why not, in fact, anyone the "independent committee" deems as usefully dispatched.

Incredibly, the nation's elite media has turned a collective blind eye to this story, though the Los Angeles Times did, on the day following the Drudge headline, find time to put on the paper's front page, above the fold, the story that Salmon and Steelhead May Lose Protection, but not a column inch of ink for a radical leap past Kevorkian land into the regions of Mengele.

More here:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/983ynlcv.asp

Nice, huh?

Just what we don't need.


1,248 posted on 03/19/2005 6:33:50 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: amystitz

We are on the same page.


1,249 posted on 03/19/2005 6:34:01 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: MarMema

Yea, and I'm convinced he was sincere. Thank you, Lord.


1,250 posted on 03/19/2005 6:34:56 PM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: DTogo

Yeah, that's a question I asked too. they are only there for those THEY want to save. Like convicted murderers, rapists, thugs, and the like. They come out of the woodwork for them. We;ll remember them...we'll remember that they didn't do a thing to lift a finger for Terri. The Pubbies did but not the dem/libs...oh no. They are without a doubt the biggest bunch of clowns and losers from the top beginning with Carter, the clintins, all of them down to the lowest one on the ladder. Lower than low.


1,251 posted on 03/19/2005 6:35:41 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust and admire Rush. He has done more for this country than he will ever know. God bless him.)
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To: nmh

I have read about that and thought of Nazi Germany.


1,252 posted on 03/19/2005 6:36:04 PM PST by cajungirl (no)
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To: Hildy
I believe that absent written consent, Terri should be handed over to her parents providing they take care of her in their home, with their money.

Then what's all the arguing about? You're in agreement with most everybody else here.

1,253 posted on 03/19/2005 6:36:56 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: RS
So true. As I posted before, from abstractappeal.com:

"Terri's situation has arguably received more judicial attention, more medical attention, more executive attention, and more "due process," than any other guardianship case in history. Terri's family has had the benefit of excellent legal representation as well as the Governor's own top-notch attorneys, all of whom have scoured the case for ways to assist the effort to keep Terri's feeding tube in place."

1,254 posted on 03/19/2005 6:36:59 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Cold Heat
Do you know anyone like Terri personally? They are human and very happy in most cases.

Do you speak from personal experience when you speak so freely about the value of another human or do you just assume because she can not drive a car or use a cell phone that she does not have a life to value?

Have you ever seen the smile on a brain damaged person's face when they listen to rap music?

I have.

1,255 posted on 03/19/2005 6:37:41 PM PST by Earthdweller (US descendant of French Protestants)
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To: exDem from Miami

Terri's situation has arguably received more judicial attention, more medical attention, more executive attention, and more "due process," than any other guardianship case in history. Terri's family has had the benefit of excellent legal representation as well as the Governor's own top-notch attorneys, all of whom have scoured the case for ways to assist the effort to keep Terri's feeding tube in place.


1,256 posted on 03/19/2005 6:38:57 PM PST by Hildy
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To: nmh
I don't think this will matter. It will go back to FLORIDA Federal court

There's a big difference. It will be before a federal judge, who will review the case from the ground up. He or she won't be bound by Judge Greer's factual findings - - instead the federal judge will do a new factual inquiry. A federal court has never reviewed this case. only state appeal courts have - and they've had to defer to Greer's factual "findings" So it will be a whole new ballgame - like starting from the first inning all over again, when it gets into federal court. And the ruling in federal court can be appealed to the federal appeals court - - 11th district, I think it is, in Atlanta. so this gets it away from Greer and his incestuous band of small-time goodoleboys in Pinelles trailer-park county

1,257 posted on 03/19/2005 6:41:20 PM PST by freedomdefender
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
As a Catholic, Terri should have the right to Freedom of Religion. According to the Catholic Church, nutrition and hydration are not extraordinary life support. The Vatican has spoken against depriving Terri of basic sustenance and so have great bishops like Cardinal Keeler. Michael and the courts have chosen to ignore that little bit.
1,258 posted on 03/19/2005 6:43:47 PM PST by pieces of time
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To: freedomdefender

While this is given a new pair of eyes will the feeding tube be immediately put back in? That is if the new judge agrees to review it? Or must he/she review it first before a decision about the feeding tube is made?


1,259 posted on 03/19/2005 6:45:01 PM PST by nmh (Intelligent people recognize Intelligent Design (God).)
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To: TXBubba
"I think they added a tag line to offset the screen name,"

Why did that poster get banned?

1,260 posted on 03/19/2005 6:45:43 PM PST by sweetliberty ("To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it.")
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