Human Starvation Experiments by UNIT 731 of the Japanese Imperial Army (Scientific Results)

Unit 731 of the Imperial Japanese Army; Human Experimentation ^ | 30 March 2005 | AmericanInTokyo (w/references)

[AmericanInTokyo]

IMPERIAL JAPANESE CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY: Witness Account "C" Test How Long a Human Being Could Survive With Just Water and Biscuits

Imperial Japanese Medical Orderly Ishibashi witnessed:

(Translation) "I saw the malnutrition experiments. They were conducted by the project team under the technician Yoshimura. He was a civilian project team under the technician Yoshimura. He was a civilian member of Unit 731. The purpose of the experiments, I believe, was to find out how long a human being could survive just with water and biscuits. Two individuals were used for this experiment. They continuously circled a prescribed course within the grounds of the Unit 731 carrying, approximately, a 20-kilogram sandbag on their backs. One succumbed before the other, but they both ultimately died. The duration of the experiment was about two months. They only received Army biscuits to eat, and water to drink, so they would not have been able to survive for very long. They weren't allowed a lot of sleep either."

also (snip)

"Dehydration Tests

Men, women, and children who became experiment prisoners were mummified alive in total dehydration experiments. They sweated to death under the heat of hot dry fans. At death, their corpses weighed only one-fifth of their normal body weights. Others were electrocuted or boiled alive. "

also (snip)

"Other experiments were not related to germ warfare per se, but transpired so that the doctors could learn more about how humans live and die. These included studies of dehydration, starvation, frostbite, air pressure - some inmates had their eyes blown out - transfusions of animal blood to humans and others.

and (snip)

"Marutas (Chinese inmates imprisoned in the medical facility by the Japanese Army) were denied food or water to determine the maximum length of survival, or mummified alive in total dehydration experiments."

[piasa]

Put the right label on someone and it becomes possible not only to legally neglect and deliberately murder the innocent without so much as a jury trial, but it's also possible to force other people to neglect them, too, even their families at the point of a gun.

Welcome to Floriduh.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Life Unworthy of Life

Leben unwürdig vom Leben

Ikiru Ryu Ga Nai Inochi

[MizSterious]

Gee, how much better we are to torture the helpless, instead of the "able-bodied." Sorry, Peach, that's a really lousy argument.

[Steel Wolf]

Sorry, AIT. Comparing the U.S. government to the Imperial Japanese is over the top. You may as well compare that hospice to a North Korean prison camp.

Florida is a free state in a free country, and the people of Florida set their own standards of due process. You and I might not agree with their standards, or the result of the case, but this decision wasn't reached lightly, and will probably result in the laws of Florida being changed. She's not being bayonneted for fun, or serving as a test subject for chemical weapons.

Comparing her isolated tragedy to that of a deliberate, calculating war crimes against the populaces of entire cities is insult to the countless victims of the Imperial Japanese.

[AmericanInTokyo]

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[WhistlingPastTheGraveyard]

So, it's OK to do it to some people?

They're not people. They're apples and oranges.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Since I'm not the one being starved to death, I cannot speak for Terri.

I can only imagine the current pain she is going through.

I can imagine it might not be too different from the final moments of consciousness and cognizance and pain recognition as the 'maruta's in Heiliungjang/Northeast China under Dai Nippon Teikoku. Sorry.

Quite frankly, I don't like it when elements of my country, such as Judge Greer and other courts, adopt North Korean values, and those I expect to fight and prevail against those, don't deliver.

[Steel Wolf]

You better watch it, the "Randroids" and "Inspector Girard" law uber alles crowd will accuse you of hyperbole.

If you can't see this as hyperbole, you either have no grasp of history, or have temporarily lost it due to being overwhelmed by emotion.

Go read this and then get back to me about how the U.S. government is so much like the Imperial Japanese.

[Peach]

If you cannot see the difference between starving people who are living vs. people who have no cognitive abilities, a flat EEG, a cerebral cortex that is simly gone and someone who is PVS, then we simply have nothing to discuss.

Tell me, are you opposed to feeding tubes being removed for everyone? Because they are removed from terminally ill patients every day of the week. And they have a lot more feeling than Terri. And they are removed from massive stroke victims every day of the week. The list is a long one.

[fso301]

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[Peach]

Who said anything about some people being more equal than others? Please do not put words in my mouth. If you can't argue your case without doing that, you must not have much of a case.

[AmericanInTokyo]

The scale and dimension observations are right and your comparatives make sense; however the underlying premise and social moral, is really the same. That is what is dangerous about it. Unit 731 did not happen overnight. It took years to get to that place, as did Zyclon B gas in the German gas chambers...a study of the slow, slow advance toward this situation, where it's roots were, political, moral, cultural, in the slow but sure denial of the individual and the strengthening of power of the state to put to death those it did not think were worthy of life or too costly, is a worthy study IMHO.

[Nowhere Man]

The way they all do it, it has a creepy, DNC blast-fax kind of feel to it.

Dang, and they accused me of acting like a DU'er. B-P Well, as they say, look in the mirror. I really don't want to skewer anyone but it is sad that miss the whole picture here.

[Nowhere Man]

As if I care. :-) Thanks for the warning, though.

Anytime. Like you, I don't care, I know where I stand at least.

I look at it this way, I'm a big fan of Harry Potter and I take this saying by Albus Dumbledore (the headmaster at Hogwarts) to heart, "it takes courage to stand up to the enemy but it takes greater courage to stand up to your friends when they are wrong."

[Nowhere Man]

Well, at first it takes one, then a few, then many, and then much more, we are on a slippery slope my friend.

[AmericanInTokyo]

I have a lot of friends here on FR, and of course most of them, almost all of them, I've never 'met'. And yet, now I am getting in a doosy of an argument with some of them on Terri Schiavo, Judicial Tyranny and Executive/Legislative Inaction. Life and Death. It is interesting though that the great majority of FReepers who thought similiarly to me on human rights issus in a foreign policy context, are lock step with me on Terri. I can handle a difference of opinions,, though. We are all grown ups. After all, on the same side of the issue, or not, at the end of the day, we are all still 'friends'.

[SilentServiceCPOWife]

I'm not going to flame you because I believe that there has been far too much of it going on around FR already. I just want to point out that doctors have acknowledged that they aren't entirely sure what is going on inside the head of a PVS patient. That is why they've given Terri morphine. They don't think that she feels pain, but they don't want to take any chances. Because of that, I don't think that it's unreasonable to conclude that there is a chance that she has awareness and that she might be suffering due to the dehydration/starvation process.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Damn straight! Just as individuals feel perhaps a little nervous about their first murder, after a while, it 'get's easier' and they don't feel as much. The same, growing insensitive sentiment applies to the Government being able to murder innocent citizens, if we don't watch it. Afer all, government is just people, humans, a collective of human beings, running it with value judgements and moral assessments. Government will necessarily reflect human nature in it's behavior. Human nature is pretty much established when it comes to people committing multiple murders and desensitivity. The next Terri Schiavo won't have as much an uproar, and more and more people may be silent; the government will see this as their cue that they cannot be stopped, that no men of moral power stand in their way. It wouldn't be the first time in modern world history.

[Virginia Queen]

"Comparing her isolated tragedy to that of a deliberate, calculating war crimes against the populaces of entire cities is insult to the countless victims of the Imperial Japanese."

I don't view the comparison as an insult. I view the comparison as a statement on where our culture is and where it is going.
I see the enemy to our way of life and it is us.

[Diamond]

...the people of Florida set their own standards of due process. You and I might not agree with their standards, or the result of the case, but this decision wasn't reached lightly, and will probably result in the laws of Florida being changed. She's not being bayonneted for fun, or serving as a test for chemical weapons.

On what basis do you morally condemn the Imperial Japanese experiments? After all they set their own standards, didn't they? You and I might not agree with their standards, or the results of their experiments, but I'm sure their decision to experiment on human beings and kill them was not reached lightly.

If the decision of a State court judge to dehydrate and starve to death a U.S. citizen to death was not taken lightly, then what's wrong with it? Why is it 'tragic' to you, since it was purportedly done with due process?

Cordially,