Skip to comments.2 'No' Votes in Europe: The Anger Spreads
Posted on 06/02/2005 2:24:29 PM PDT by neverdem
BERLIN, June 1 - Some are calling it a divorce; others, a disenchantment. Whatever you call it, the French "non" on Sunday and the Dutch "nee" on Wednesday have clearly left the European Union's proposed constitution a dead letter for now, frustrating the efforts of Europe's leaders to move to the next stage of integration.
The impasse could stall efforts to develop common foreign policies and push the euro, a potent symbol of unification, into a downward spiral.
But there is something at stake here far broader than the constitution itself, which the Dutch rejected emphatically on Wednesday, 61.6 percent to 38.4 percent, according to unofficial results.
There is a disaffection, perhaps even a rebellion, against the political elites in France, Germany and Italy.
The governing parties of the left and the right are saying the same things to their people: that painful, free-market economic reforms are the only path toward rejuvenation, more jobs, better futures. And the people, who have come to equate the idea of an expanded Europe with a challenge to cradle-to-grave social protections, are giving the same answer: We don't believe you.
A French lawyer and commentator, Nicolas Baverez, who once wrote a book titled "The Fall of France," called the French vote "an insurrection, a democratic intifada," that reflected the "despair and fears of the French in front of the decline of their country and the inability of their leaders to cope with the crisis."
The repercussions of this uprising will be felt widely.
"I think there's a revolt against the establishment that leaves governments from Great Britain to France to Germany to Italy singularly weak," said Charles Kupchan...
(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...
Those countries (and Europe as a whole) desperately needs a Reagan or a Thatcher to straighten out the mess. Instead, they've got Ted Kennedys and Sheila Jackson Lees.
"Europe as a whole) desperately needs a Reagan or a Thatcher to straighten out the mess."
Absolutely. Somebody needs to make the point that in most (if not all) of the countries that have ratified the treaty, the voters were never given the choice.
I don't believe the voters in the 13 colonies were given a choice in ratifying the U.S. Constitution, either. Admittedly, there were some mitigating circumstances: no television, no internet, no electricity, etc., which would have made this rather difficult.
In that case it was probably done out of necessity and practicality. In this case there haven't been referendums because they fear that the referendums wouldn't give the desired result... and that IS undemocratic.
Thanks for posting. Excuse me, I have to go sell Euros and buy Dollars.
Ted Kennedy and Sheila Jackson-Lee would be considered "centre-right" in Europe.
You are unfortunately correct - doesn't change the fact that they need a Reagan or Thatcher. They're hitting their "general malaise and stagflation" stage, hard. They need a Reagan or Thatcher more than we did.
The only problem is that it looks like they ran off all the possible candidates for that role years ago.
Ergo, the solution is to make it more socialist.
Their agenda is so obvious.
I agree with you. However, I have faith in the Europeans' ability to sacrifice practicality, decisiveness, individual freedoms, optimism and cojones for the sake of a creative, 'nuanced', deep "idea" that ignores reality.
Aren't they all using the Euro now instead of their respective countries currency?
I agree, but they will not allow themselves to admit that the old ideas aren't working. They're trying to tax and spend themselves out of the hole that they dug by massive taxing and spending.
The first step of getting out of a hole is "stop digging." Most of Old Europe appears to be ordering steamshovels to help them dig.
X ACT LEE!
Yes, though that has problems of its own...
No. Scroll down until you see "Currency Converter". Open up where you see "United Kingdom Pound", and click to see what Eurpoean countries retained their national currencies.
The US Constitution was ratified by each of the thirteen states, each of which held a convention of elected delegates.
Your faith is not misplaced. Check out the comments here: http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/31/the-sheer-gaul-of-them
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