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Archeologists make historic discovery (Tomb of Odysseus)
The Madera Tribune ^ | 8/27/05 | Thomas Elias

Posted on 09/23/2005 7:37:53 PM PDT by wagglebee

POROS, Island of Kefalonia, Greece - The tomb of Odysseus has been found, and the location of his legendary capital city of Ithaca discovered here on this large island across a one-mile channel from the bone-dry islet that modern maps call Ithaca.

This could be the most important archeological discovery of the last 40 years, a find that may eventually equal the German archeologist Heinrich Schliemann’s 19th Century dig at Troy. But the quirky people and politics involved in this achievement have delayed by several years the process of reporting the find to the world.

Yet visitors to Kefalonia, an octopus-shaped island off the west coast of Greece, can see the evidence for themselves at virtually no cost.

The discovery of what is almost certainly his tomb reveals that crafty Odysseus, known as Ulysses in many English renditions of Homer’s “Iliad” and “Odyssey,” was no mere myth, but a real person. Plus, passages in the “Odyssey” itself suggest that modern Ithaca and its main town of Vathi probably were not the city and island of which Homer wrote.

Rather, this small village of Poros on the southeast coast of Kefalonia now occupies part of a site that most likely was the much larger city which served as capital of the multi-island kingdom ruled by Odysseus and his father Laertes.

Archeologists have long and often times looked for evidence of Odysseus on modern Ithaca, but never found anything significant from the Bronze Age. This led many scholars to dismiss Homer’s version of Ionian island geography as strictly a literary creation.

But two pieces of fairly recent evidence suggest archeologists were looking in the wrong place. In 1991, a tomb of the type used to bury ancient Greek royalty was found near the hamlet of Tzannata in the hills outside Poros. It is the largest such tomb in northeastern Greece, with remains of at least 72 persons found in its stone niches.

One find there is particularly telling. In Book XIX of the “Odyssey,” the just-returned and still disguised Odysseus tells his wife (who may or may not realize who she’s talking to; Homer is deliberately ambivalent) that he encountered Odysseus many years earlier on the island of Crete. He describes in detail a gold brooch the king wore on that occasion.

A gold brooch meeting that precise description lies now in the archeological museum at Argostoli, the main city on Kefalonia, 30 miles across the island from Poros. Other gold jewelry and seals carved in precious stones excavated from the tomb offer further proof the grave outside Poros was used to bury kings.

Greek archeologists also found sections of ancient city walls extending for miles through the hills around and well beyond Poros. These surround both the village and a steep adjacent hill which bears evidence it once served as an acropolis, what the Greeks called hilltop forts in most of their major cities. The stones of the walls date to about 1300 B.C., the approximate time of events described in the “Iliad” and “Odyssey.”

Most likely, the royal capital at Ithaca was a much larger city than Poros or any other town on either modern Ithaca or Kefalonia. It would have needed a major source of water. There is none on modern Ithaca, but streams abound near Poros, where there is also a small man-made lake. This area had the necessary water. The island now called Ithaca likely did not.

Several other ancient settlements found elsewhere on Kefalonia also suggest the island was a major population center at the time of Odysseus.

And Homer described two major landmarks near ancient Ithaca: He says it sat beneath an impressive mountain, the “tree-clad Mt. Neriton,” which dominated views from the “wine-dark sea” for many miles around. That description fits Mt. Aenos, just above Poros, the highest peak in the Ionian islands. Homer also describes the legendary Cave of the Nymphs as within a day or two walk from the city of Ithaca. A spacious, dark cave with large stalactites and deep blue water matching Homer’s description is currently a tourist attraction about 15 miles northwest of Poros.

Why hasn’t all this been reported before? Because of local politics and economics. The most active promoter of the Poros area as Homeric Ithaca is the current mayor, who at one time was governor of the prefecture (county or small state) including both Ithaca and Kefalonia.

Gerasimos Metaxas, an author and amateur archeologist who gladly shows visitors remains of the ancient city call and innards of the tomb, was defeated for reelection as governor when he began promoting the Poros-as-Ithaca idea in Greek publications. Why? If Poros is Ithaca, who would ever go to the barren island now using the name? And if tiny Poros ever gets a huge tourist and cruise ship influx, what happens to Argostoli, now the center for those trades on Kefalonia?

As a result, the entire find has never been reported in the non-Greek press. And so far, major world media show little or no interest in the tale. But for lovers of Homer’s sagas, there’s now no place more appealing than Kefalonia.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cephalonia; godsgravesglyphs; greece; homer; ithaca; kephalonia; odysseus; odyssey; theiliad; theoddyssey; trojanwar; troy; zachynthos
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To: fqued

Well respected for his resourcefulness and insight, but Greek warfare disdained victory through trickery.

You will notice that unlike many other pantheons, Greek mythology lacks a god of deceit. This is because the Greeks themselves despised the idea of dishonesty.


81 posted on 09/24/2005 4:05:02 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: Wombat101
Actually, the Greek pantheon did include a trickster god, Hermes, who was worshipped as such (Hermes Dolios) at Pellene in Achaea.

The Spartans won the Peloponnesian War of 431-404 B.C. by a trick, at least according to Xenophon, the only surviving contemporary historian who covers that period: Lysander captured the Athenian fleet at Aegospotami in 405 B.C. by fooling the Athenians, and that led to the Athenian surrender some months later.

Earlier, in 413 B.C., the Syracusans tricked the Athenians when they were preparing to retreat from their encampment near Syracuse. That helped seal the fate of the Athenian forces, who were almost all killed or captured...but the Syracusans don't seem to have had any misgivings about fooling the Athenians (who had, after all, been trying to capture their city by siege).

If you look at how Homer portrays Odysseus in the Iliad and the Odyssey, he's definitely one of the good guys.

82 posted on 09/24/2005 5:01:47 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

The Greeks had a trickster spirit named DAIMOS, who was not a god but rather a universal malevolent spirit. Any way you slice it, Daimos does not rise to the level of a Set (Egypt) or Loki (Norse).

And yes, Greek did use deception against Greek very often in the wars between the polis, but that does not mean it was a particularly well-thought of tactic.


83 posted on 09/24/2005 5:05:38 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: wagglebee

No kidding


84 posted on 09/24/2005 5:08:59 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

P.S. Hermes was not a trickster god. He was the God of Commerce and Zeus' messenger.

Very often Greek gods are given more than one power/aspect/portfolio depending on where and how that particular god was worshipped. So, one region of Greece may consider Hermes a trickster, while another does not. The best example of this phenomenon would be Apollo, who was worshipped as a god of the sun, medicine, athletics, and prophecy (probably the most versatile of the gods in this regard).

However, Greek gods regularly come down from Olympus to trick and beguile unsuspecting Greeks. Zeus seduces Leto (amongst others) and begets Heracles, for example. The gods were expected to do no less. Relations between Greeks, however, were supposed to be carried out by different rules.

Greek history is full of examples of even the best generals and politicians being put on trial, and always they are accused of the same things: exceeding their authority, fiscal irresponsibility (or theft), abuse of power, breaking promises, etc. One only has to look at Alcibiades to see this, the greatest traitor and most despised man in Greece. At various times, Thucydides and Pericles (paragons of virtue) are also dragged into "court" and accused of deceptions and lies amongst other things.

Dishonesty and dishonorable actions were even more hated in Ancient Greece than they are today.


85 posted on 09/24/2005 5:16:13 PM PDT by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Sh*t since 632 AD...)
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To: MizRiz9

Show John this article.


86 posted on 09/24/2005 5:22:10 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: Wombat101


"Dishonesty and dishonorable actions were even more hated in Ancient Greece than they are today."

This part of the the discussion started out by saying that the Greeks disdained trickery in warfare. Whatever the validity of that point, trickery in warfare is a completely different thing from dishonesty in every day life. I know of no society that countenances dishonesty in everyday life.


87 posted on 09/24/2005 6:37:25 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Wombat101

"Honor and the "rules of war" as they existed at the time required a battle to be won by sheer musce power and numbers, not by trickery. Anyone who would have used brains instead of brawn on the battlefield would have been suspect."

This is certainly an overstatement. At marathon, the Greeks used trickery to make the Persians archers miss them with their first volley. They started out marching steadily, and then at the exact point when they knew the Persians would release their arrows, they started to run.

Almost all strategy and tactics are based insignificant part on trickery. The Greeks certainly believed in strategy and tactics. For example, they had a strongtendency to attack another city whenever it was facing internal weakness and discord.


88 posted on 09/24/2005 6:42:11 PM PDT by strategofr (What did happen to those 293 boxes of secret FBI files (esp on Senators) Hillary stole?)
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To: Wombat101
One only has to look at Alcibiades to see this, the greatest traitor and most despised man in Greece

Alcibiades was first general for Athens, then general for Sparta, again general for Athens and finally admiral for the Persians. Maybe he was what you say ( can't speak to that), but he was also greatly respected for his abilities as a general--a Strategos. There is something great (whatever his vices) about a man who can accomplish what Alcibiades accomplished.
89 posted on 09/25/2005 1:08:13 PM PDT by fqued (You don't have to fight every fight, you don't have to win every battle.)
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To: strategofr

You bring up a great point: what is the dividing line between strategy and trickery?

I stand by my original point that the Odessey begins by commemding Odesseus for his resourcefulness which most often was trickery (at least in part). Look at his dealings with Polyphemus (Kuklops, Cyclops)--very tricksy, very tricksy.


90 posted on 09/25/2005 1:14:16 PM PDT by fqued (You don't have to fight every fight, you don't have to win every battle.)
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To: Cicero
Octopus-shaped? Looks more like a leaping frog to me.

Or a headless something, running.

91 posted on 09/25/2005 1:41:12 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: fqued

Alcibiades was a great man gone wrong. He had tremendous abilities and the best training that Greece in the Age of Pericles could offer, but he went wrong.

I believe that is the significance of the role he plays in Plato's "Symposium."

Odysseus was a great man pure and simple. Achilles had one kind of arete in The Iliad, and Odysseus displays a different kind of arete in The Odyssey. It's clear throughout the poem that all the best Greeks admire him, from kings to swineherds.


92 posted on 09/25/2005 4:17:12 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: wagglebee
Cool- so has anything new happened with this over the last month that you are aware of?
93 posted on 09/25/2005 4:20:59 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: To Hell With Poverty

Did you see the thread, yesterday, about the sunken bridge that had been uncovered by low water levels in (I think Mexico)- I lost that thread somehow and can't find it again. I only got to read a bit when my computer crashed- so I don't remember the title


94 posted on 09/25/2005 4:23:27 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: Diva Betsy Ross

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1490076/posts
Photo: Lower water levels reveal medieval bridge in Spanish reservoir

there ye be.


95 posted on 09/25/2005 8:16:22 PM PDT by fqued (You don't have to fight every fight, you don't have to win every battle.)
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To: fqued
cool-thanks!
96 posted on 09/25/2005 8:23:03 PM PDT by Diva Betsy Ross (Code pink stinks)
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To: kosta50; Kolokotronis

Greek Ping!


97 posted on 09/25/2005 8:28:35 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: FreedomPoster

From Book One "The Odyssey" by Homer

TELL ME, O MUSE, of that ingenious hero who travelled far and wide after he had sacked the famous town of Troy. Many cities did he visit, and many were the nations with whose manners and customs he was acquainted; moreover he suffered much by sea while trying to save his own life and bring his men safely home; but do what he might he
could not save his men, for they perished through their own sheer folly in eating the cattle of the Sun-god Hyperion; so the god prevented them from ever reaching home.

Tell me, too, about all these things, O daughter of Jove, from whatsoever source you may know them.

So now all who escaped death in battle or by shipwreck had got safely home except Ulysses, and he, though he was longing to return to his wife and country, was detained by the goddess Calypso, who had got him into a large cave and wanted to marry him.

But as years went by, there came a time when the gods settled that he should go back to Ithaca; even then, however, when he was among his own people, his troubles were not yet over; nevertheless all the gods had now begun to pity him except Neptune, who still persecuted him without ceasing and would not let him get home.


98 posted on 09/25/2005 8:32:26 PM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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http://www.foi.org.uk/islands.php?island=lefkas&page=history

"Schlieman concluded that modern Ithaca was, at one time, the home of Odysseus but Dorpfeld was not satisfied with this assertion.

"Going back to The Odyssey, he felt that Lefkas was a more likely candidate and located Odysseus' palace somewhere around Nidri.

"It was around here that he begun to dig.

"Despite making some significant finds, he did not uncover any evidence to suggest that Lefkas, was or was not, the home of Odysseus.

"Some of Dorpfeld's finds are housed in the public library in Lefkas Town."


99 posted on 09/25/2005 8:38:17 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Down with Dhimmicrats! I last updated by FR profile on Sunday, August 14, 2005.)
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To: wagglebee

One thing to watch for is if they find something with writing on it (Linear A?). The Greek alphabet is widely thought to have originated around the time of Homer, but it has been shown that the Greeks used other alphabets in earlier times. One is called Linear B, which was only recently deciphered and shows that, while the system of writing was totally different (much more like Egyptian hieroglyphics), the language and pronunciation were about the same. There is also another one called Linear A that is thought to precede Linear B but has never been deciphered (due to lack of adequate examples). I don't know the time frame of Linear A's use, but deciphering it could provide a valuable link between the modern Greek language and the proto-Indo-European languages.


100 posted on 09/25/2005 8:40:51 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Earth to libs: MARXISM DOESN'T SELL HERE. Try somewhere else.)
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