Two men shot in York, PA (store clerk shoots would-be robber)

York Daily Record ^ | September 27, 2005 | MICHELE CANTY

[Mr. Mojo]

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[kx9088]

$19 for 5 years, no required classes or certifications and you do not have to tell them what kind of gun you're going to carry.

[NRA1995]

HOO-AHHHHHH!

[Bon mots]

Nice work Mr. Gray.

[Logophile]

"It's a shame that people are out here shooting in broad daylight," one woman said. She shook her head as she walked up the street toward her apartment.

They should do their shooting at night?

"He didn't commit a crime. He defended himself," Graff said. Gray had a license to carry the gun, which was properly registered, he said.

No, he did not commit a crime. But Graff would be singing a different tune had Gray failed to get a license and register his weapon.

[marktwain]

Gray had a license to carry the gun, which was properly registered, he said.

Gray deserves an award. That was some pretty good shooting. An ordinary .45 only holds 8 shots, and we don't know how many he actually fired. He gets 4 hits on an armed opponent who has just shot his boss.

Maybe we should create an "Earp Award" so we can give it to him!

As is often the case, the reporter adds nonsense. As I understand it, there is no gun "registration" in PA, so how could the gun be "properly registered"?

This is a literary devise of the anti freedom types to get people used to the idea of registration.

[HiTech RedNeck]

Blame the robbers for not having the manners to rob at, say, 2 AM.

[sure_fine]

needs more range time, one shot, one kill

[MortMan]

I prefer the double-tap method with a pistol. 2 shots, but a confirmed kill.

[Tenacious 1]

Thanks for the post.

[Brilliant]

After being shot 4 times with a .45, he's lucky to be alive.

[Al Gator]

There is no such thing as "registered" in Pa.

Concealed carry we have. Firearm registration, we don't.

Its a misnomer.

[Montfort]

"As is often the case, the reporter adds nonsense. As I understand it, there is no gun "registration" in PA, so how could the gun be "properly registered"?"

You are right that the reporter is acting as if registration is required. Probably trying to reinforce the idea that registration is normal.

The gun was properly registered according to the requirements of our Constitition, which means it was NOT registered. Any registration would be improper.

I recently attended a great 2nd Amendment seminar at George Mason University Law School, and learned about the natural law and common law right to self-defense -- so fundamental as to be taken for granted by the drafters of the Constitution. A presenter told about an outrageous case in the UK about a homeowner who is going to rot away in prison for the rest of his life for shooting burglars. You can't even carry a walking stick now in the UK. I wonder if they can carry only light umbrellas now. No heavy umbrella that could be used for self-defense. Crime has skyrocketed.

[CPOSharky]

As is often the case, the reporter adds nonsense. As I understand it, there is no gun "registration" in PA, so how could the gun be "properly registered"?

Maybe because it is not "imprpoperly" registered. (/sarcasm)

Just checked packing.org and didn't see anything about registration either.

The constant reference to "registration" in states that don't require it shows the ignorance of the reporter. It's also one of the two things that bugs me about CSI. Nevada does not have registration but in almost every show someone asks if a gun was registered.

[hiredhand]

This "must register" mentality really gets in my crawl. Back just after 9/11 when all my liberal-leaning suburbanite friends came asking advice about weapons, this was a big concern of theirs. HOW to get the weapons "registered". As with PA, NC has NO "registration" laws, nor should it according to our State Constitution.

Too many people are ignorant of the law and their rights with respect to keeping and bearing arms, but the public school system and the MSM seems to have done a pretty good job of making sure that gullible idiots believe that gun registration is a requirement.

Historically, firearm registration has only served as a prerequisite to confiscation.

Molon Labe!

[hiredhand]

needs more range time, one shot, one kill

It was good shooting for certain. The outcome is the proof. But IF he had a 1911 "style" weapon, and 8 rounds, his hit rate is at best 50% inside of 25 feet. Also, as harsh as this might sound, the perp(s) should be dead. Not recovering in hospital.

Yes. Good shooting, now get to the range! :-)

[varyouga]

Words of advice to idiot robbers:

1) Don't try to rob a store when the OWNER is present. He is less likely to just give you the cash.

2) Don't try to rob stores in a city with good gun laws. If said owner is present he will shoot you. Go to a place with no guns like NYC.

3) Stores were the owner is not present are usually stores with drop safes. Therefore you will only get $20-40.

4) Stop being an idiot and get a real job before you get shot or put away for stealing $20(see 3).

[hiredhand]

I prefer the double-tap method with a pistol. 2 shots, but a confirmed kill.

Most people I've seen who do this on a whim, fire TOO quickly, and panic. As a result, they either shoot into the ground, shoot low on the target (between belly button and knees) or miss altogether. Even inside of 25 feet!

Under "introduced" stress hit rates AND accuracy goes way down.

It's a very calm, and practiced individual who can "double tap" effectively.

Besides this, a "confirmed kill" only requires one shot, and of course your "spotter". :-)