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Dinosaur-Bird Flap Ruffles Feathers
Yahoo!News ^ | October 10, 2005 | E.J. Mundell

Posted on 10/11/2005 4:07:11 AM PDT by mlc9852

MONDAY, Oct. 10 (HealthDay News) -- Head to the American Museum of Natural History's Web site, and you'll see the major draw this fall is a splashy exhibit on dinosaurs.

And not just any dinosaurs, but two-legged carnivorous, feathered "theropods" like the 30-inch-tall Bambiraptor -- somewhat less cuddly than its namesake.

The heyday of the theropods, which included scaly terrors like T. rex and velociraptor, stretched from the late Triassic (220 million years ago) to the late Cretaceous (65 million years ago) periods.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: bambiraptor; cretaceous; dinosaur; dinosaurs; godsgravesglyphs; hitchcock; paleontology; science; theropods; triassic; tyrannasaurusrex; velociraptor
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To: furball4paws

I was thinking of a less secular dozen.


241 posted on 10/14/2005 1:16:36 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: VadeRetro
It has repeatedly been pointed out to you that neither Darwin himself nor anyone after expected the fossil record to be continuous

. Not the fossil record. The evolution of life. I'm sorry if I didn't make myself clear.

The fossil record is "severely discontinuous" as Darwin admitted. And that was his gravest concern.

242 posted on 10/14/2005 1:16:52 PM PDT by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("Memos on Bush Are Fake but Accurate". NYTimes)
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To: Doctor Stochastic

No fair. Creationists haven't figured out QM yet and probably never will.

I happened to take college geology a few years before plate techtonics was proposed. I distinctly recall hearing rather long and detailed lectures on the evidence for continental drift. It was even in the textbooks.

No one was really opposed to the idea. They simply hadn't settled on a mechanism supported by evidence.


243 posted on 10/14/2005 1:23:22 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: js1138

How about a Baker's dozen? They need all the help they can get.


244 posted on 10/14/2005 1:24:33 PM PDT by furball4paws (One of the last Evil Geniuses, or the first of their return.)
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To: js1138
"I think the defence has 12 men on the field.

They must be playing Canadian fooball.

245 posted on 10/14/2005 1:50:27 PM PDT by b_sharp (Making a monkey of a creationist should be a natural goal.)
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To: js1138
"I'm not particularly thrilled by the idea of rooster-sized dinosaurs. My parents had an egg farm (free range) when I was a toddler, and the roosters attacked me at every opportunity. Think in terms of the early scene in Jurassic Park where the raptor's claw is demonstrated.

Domestic roosters can't fly. A flying velociraptor is more frightening than a running raptor.

It's great fun when you cut their heads off and they insist on believing it's still attached while running 'headlong' into a barn door.

(I needed the catharsis of that ghoulish vision.)

246 posted on 10/14/2005 1:59:21 PM PDT by b_sharp (Making a monkey of a creationist should be a natural goal.)
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To: b_sharp
Domestic roosters can't fly.

That's an absolute statement attempting to cover a complex reality. Modern egg layers are so inbred and overfed they can barely walk. Free range chickens can fly, even if not far. Farther than a two-year-old boy.

247 posted on 10/14/2005 2:10:16 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: newsgatherer
Billions and billions of years ago in a galaxy far, far away, there was nothing, absolutely nothing...

Oh, look, again a creationist lies about what evolution states. What a shock.
248 posted on 10/14/2005 2:12:48 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
If I believed I evolved from a monkey, which I don't,

Neither does any intelligent person who accepts and understands evolution.
249 posted on 10/14/2005 2:15:18 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: js1138
"That's an absolute statement attempting to cover a complex reality.

I am prone to that aren't I.

The chicken I have familiarity with were far too heavy to fly farther than 10 or 20 metres. I had cousins that lived on a farm who loved teaching their city slicker cousin all the ins and outs of farm life, including how to scare the s&*t out of chickens. They taught me to hold the rooster or hen with its head tucked under its wing and gently rock it to sleep. When it was sound asleep I was instructed to throw it as high as I could and watch the look on its face when it found itself 4 or 5 metres in the air.

I never did learn how to read their faces...beaks...whatever.

"Modern egg layers are so inbred and overfed they can barely walk. Free range chickens can fly, even if not far. Farther than a two-year-old boy.

There's the problem...your age. I was 8 when I tortured my first chicken.

(The torturing didn't last long because I really felt I was doing something wrong.)

250 posted on 10/14/2005 2:23:45 PM PDT by b_sharp (Making a monkey of a creationist should be a natural goal.)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
The fossil record is "severely discontinuous" as Darwin admitted. And that was his gravest concern.

Yes, you do keep singing that mantra. Darwin dealt with that objection to his theory and every other one he could possibly think of in the first edition of his book. In later editions--I have the sixth--he added a chapter on other people's objections which he had not anticipated and dealt with those there. Darwin's style of argument is thus particularly admirable because he tries to anticipate every argument AGAINST his theory. He ignores nothing away.

So you have ignored absolutely every item of evidence posted to you and are still chanting the same mantra with which you came onto the thread. It's hard to put a good face on this.

Darwin did have a paucity of fossil evidence for his theory in his day. He acknowledged that fossil land mammal ancestors of whales must have existed. His theory demands such. He predicted that such might be found. We now have a fine fossil series for that evolutionary change. He predicted that light would be shed on the origins of humans. We now have a fine hominid progression from apes to man. We now have a fine progression from fish to amphibians, amphibians to reptiles, reptiles to mammals, dinosaurs to birds, etc.

So Darwin, if he was wrong, if he was faking something, would seem to be the luckiest charlatan in history. Every time we find a fossil that further outlines the tree of life that was vaguely visible in 1859, that's a fulfilled prediction of Darwin's. There's an announcement like that every few weeks at least.

That circumstance should be very hard to explain by someone who like you has a religious horror of evolution. Should be, but isn't. A liar for the Lord simply pretends that problem doesn't exist. Gaps, you see. Gaps, everywhere. Gaps! Gaps! As far as the eye can see, holes!! Holes on holes! Holes in holes! Whole lotta holes!

IOW, creationists do exactly what Darwin disdained to do: put on blinders and ignore away all problems with the favored theory. They could learn from Darwin, if religious horror didn't so interfere. Ethically, they couldn't polish his boots.

A very dishonest enterprise, creationism, mostly practiced by having grownup people playing childishly dumb and making very bad arguments in public. It gives everything it hides within, Christianity and conservatism for two examples, a bad name.

Now they're going after science education in this country. Scummy people doing scummy things.

251 posted on 10/14/2005 2:26:24 PM PDT by VadeRetro (I'll have a few sleepless nights after I send you over, sure! But it'll pass.)
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To: b_sharp
We had a modest little thread on that guy. Yes, it would be nice if we found an older dromeosaur. That particular "rethinking" would get rid of the creationist argument that Archaeopteryx is "too old to be descended from dromeosaurs." (It basically IS a dromeosaur with flight adaptations, except it's a bird in some taxonomies.)
252 posted on 10/14/2005 2:31:08 PM PDT by VadeRetro (I'll have a few sleepless nights after I send you over, sure! But it'll pass.)
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To: js1138
Creationists haven't figured out QM yet and probably never will.

Not to mention those who can't figure out how methodology impacts our conception of the way physics and biology might differ or not! : )

253 posted on 10/14/2005 3:08:55 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: VadeRetro

Is ethics a function of nature or does intelligence struggle against it? By what criterion do we obtain a right to abort the fetus? By nature? Is it bone structure or DNA which determines the survival of the Jewish state?


254 posted on 10/14/2005 3:19:09 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: cornelis

If you have something to say, why not just say it?


255 posted on 10/14/2005 3:19:54 PM PDT by js1138 (Great is the power of steady misrepresentation.)
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To: cornelis
Is it colder in Wisconsin or in the winter?
256 posted on 10/14/2005 3:20:05 PM PDT by VadeRetro (I'll have a few sleepless nights after I send you over, sure! But it'll pass.)
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To: js1138

Natural selection doesn't mean flying faster than the fox, just faster than the other chicken.


257 posted on 10/14/2005 3:22:20 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: VadeRetro

Wisconsin is beautiful. I drive through it every now and then. I used to live in NE Wisconsin. Gorgeous birch forsts.


258 posted on 10/14/2005 3:24:04 PM PDT by cornelis
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To: VadeRetro
Is it colder in Wisconsin or in the winter?

Wisconsin; I lived there for some years.

259 posted on 10/14/2005 3:24:21 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: js1138

Heh? I don't follow!


260 posted on 10/14/2005 3:24:47 PM PDT by cornelis
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