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Heated day in D.C. leads to more prewar probes. Democrats claim victory.
MSNBC ^ | Nov. 1, 2005 | MSNBC Staff

Posted on 11/01/2005 7:28:34 PM PST by FairOpinion

Democrats claimed “victory for the American people” Tuesday after the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed to continue an investigation into prewar intelligence claims made by the Republicans, the Senate minority leader said.

Minority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., forced the Republican-controlled Senate into an unusual closed session for more than two hours Tuesday, accusing Republicans of ignoring intelligence that President Bush used before invading Iraq.

A phase-by-phase investigation will resume, Reid announced after the secret session. It will be the second stage of a probe that Democrats have been pressing for for a year.

An appointed six-member task force — three members from each party — will review the committee’s progress and report back to their respective caucuses by Nov. 14.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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WHY, oh, WHY did the Republicans agree to this?!!!!!!!
1 posted on 11/01/2005 7:28:35 PM PST by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

because its an free oppurtunity to give the democrats more rope to hang themselves with.


2 posted on 11/01/2005 7:30:45 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: FairOpinion

I was embarrassed for Frist this afternoon......he was owned by that pathetic joker, Reid.


3 posted on 11/01/2005 7:31:14 PM PST by MamaLucci (Mutually assured destruction STILL keeps the Clinton administration criminals out of jail.)
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To: FairOpinion

Don't know if it's true, but one of the Repub Senators came to the floor after coming out of session claiming that this investigation phase 2 had been on the books for some time already. That is to say, the Rats are claiming victory by getting something that was already scheduled to occur.


4 posted on 11/01/2005 7:31:50 PM PST by XEHRpa
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To: FairOpinion

I believe that it was already agreed to. The Dems grandstanded today to demand something that was going to happen anyway.


5 posted on 11/01/2005 7:32:15 PM PST by michaelt
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To: FairOpinion

So stuff like Clinton admin deficiencies and the Able Danger issues will get more press.


6 posted on 11/01/2005 7:33:13 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: FairOpinion
The Democrats are also claiming victory after the Republicans caved into their demands that the sun go down in the West this evening.
7 posted on 11/01/2005 7:34:44 PM PST by Reaganesque
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To: XEHRpa

Bingo, Today was nothing but a stunt. Pat Roberts was scheduled to finish up next week, and the Dems postponed the report until Nov 14th, The Rats do not want the report to come out because there is no there there


8 posted on 11/01/2005 7:35:04 PM PST by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: FairOpinion
WHY, oh, WHY did the Republicans agree to this?!!!!!!!

Didn't you hear Roberts speech??

This has been in the works since Feb and they were ready to move on in May .. but the Dems kept delaying

Roberts also said something about a report of some sorts was to be ready around the 14th and didn't see a reason for this stunt and the personal attacks on him by Reid

This will backfire on the Dems

9 posted on 11/01/2005 7:35:41 PM PST by Mo1
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To: MJY1288
, The Rats do not want the report to come out because there is no there there

I agree

10 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:20 PM PST by Mo1
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To: FairOpinion

much a do 'bout...nothin'


11 posted on 11/01/2005 7:36:49 PM PST by katykelly
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To: FairOpinion

I hope Kerry's speeches about Iraqi WMD and the need to take strong action gets airplay!


12 posted on 11/01/2005 7:37:39 PM PST by DBrow (Hi Ezex! Still lurking?)
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To: Mo1
They are doing this because all of their hopes were on Saint Fitzgerald, Give these RATS two more weeks and I will guarantee you that they will start trashing Lucifer Fitzgerald
13 posted on 11/01/2005 7:38:12 PM PST by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: michaelt

which has been their agenda for many years now.

Watch what happens when a planned troop withdrawl is finally going to be annouced for Iraq. The dems will step up up their calls for the troops to be brought home along with the idiot liberals.
You'll hear Hillary, Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, Ried, and all the rest of the stooges calling for troop reductions in Iraq. The moonbats will hold more rallys.
All to try to make it appear that they are responsible for the troops coming home.


14 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:28 PM PST by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: FairOpinion
I love it,c'mon old media,shout it from the roof tops!

2006 will bring the Republicans more seats in the House and Senate.

15 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:32 PM PST by mdittmar (May God watch over those who serve,and have served, to keep us free.)
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To: FairOpinion

Easy to claim they won when the 'second phase' of the investigation WAS ALREADY UNDER WAY.

The gentlefolk who spent an amazing amount of their lives telling us about the Senate being the "saucer that cools" (blah blah blah) during the Clinton impeachment hearings threw a temper tantrum today because the two-year, politically driven investigation into what really happened when their churl, Valerie Plame's boy-toy, lied about his CIA employment didn't result in a witch hunt against Carl Rove or the "neocon conspiracy." When the little brats didn't get their way, they dragged the Senate out of the conservatory, right past the playpen, and into the pigpen. Reid and Schumer are petulant two year olds, and their true colors are finally showing through.

If they pull this stunt again, here's what I want to see: Republican Senators demanding closed door sessions to demand investigations into: Hillary Clinton's fundraising, Chuckie Schemer's DSCC's theft of Mike Steele's financial records, Kerry & Kennedy outing a REAL undercover CIA agent on the floor of a Senate hearing room, Chappaquidick, New Jersey governors and senators, and Barbara Boxer's existence. One a day between now and Christmas ought to do it.


16 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:42 PM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect.)
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To: FairOpinion

We need to push our Congressmen to actually use the following information against the Left:

1. Remind the left that every single Democrat of note said in 1998 that Iraq's WMD posed a danger to the United States.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/972389/posts

2. Remind the left that Clinton's Justice Department obtained a federal indictment of Osama bin Laden which stated that AQ had a deal with Iraq. They agreed not to attack Iraq in exchange for weapons development.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985906/posts

3. 9/11 Commission reaffirms Bush administration view of Iraq/AQ ties.
June 21, 2004. RNC.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1157478/posts

4. Long List of Clinton Administration Officials who Believed There was an AQ/Iraq connection.
July 12, 2004. NewsMax.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1169397/posts

5. List of CIA and various Reports regarding Iraq's support for terrorists, terrorism and AQ.
September 16, 2004. The Weekly Standard.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/631slkle.asp

6. Osama bin Laden was considered an Iraqi Intelligence asset.
October 14, 2004. National Review.
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1246505/posts

Funny how in the 90's the world was concerned about the growing relationship between OBL and Saddam and now the left is revising history.

Saddam reaching out to OBL
January 1, 1999. Newsweek
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158277/posts

ABC news reports on the Osama/Saddam connections
January 14, 1999. ABC News
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1229608/posts?page=1

Osama and Saddam Work Together
January 27, 1999. Laurie Mylroie interview. She is a former Clinton terrorism czar.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158482/posts

A Much Shunned Terrorist Takes Refuge In Iraq (Abu Nidal)
New York Times. January 1999.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1433610/posts

Western Nightmare: Saddam and OBL versus the World. Iraq recruited OBL.
February 6, 1999. The Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/alqaida/story/0,12469,798270,00.html

Saddam's Link to OBL
February 6, 1999. The Guardian
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/866105/posts

Saddam offered asylum to bin Laden
February 13, 1999. AP
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1158274/posts

Son of Saddam coordinates with OBL.
Iraqi Special Ops coordinates with Bin Laden's terrorist activities.
August 6, 1999. Yossef Bodansky, National Press Club
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/951911/posts

That and more here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1327993/posts?q=1&&page=151


17 posted on 11/01/2005 7:39:43 PM PST by Peach (The Dems enabled Able Danger. 3,000 Americans died.)
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To: Peach

Thanks, Peach, for all those great links!


18 posted on 11/01/2005 7:40:52 PM PST by FairOpinion (CA Props: Vote for Reform: YES on 73-78, NO on 79 & 80, NO on Y)
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To: XEHRpa

Thats exactly whats going on. It was already scheduled and these jokers are fooling the media.


19 posted on 11/01/2005 7:41:09 PM PST by linn37 (Have you hugged your Phlebotomist today?)
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To: FairOpinion
"Democrats claim victory."

Did they have a parade? Did they give each other medals? Was there a commemorative coin issued?

Most important, are they boneheaded enough to try this again tomorrow?
20 posted on 11/01/2005 7:41:32 PM PST by decal (Mother Nature and Real Life are conservatives; the Progs have never figured this out.)
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"That is to say, the Rats are claiming victory by getting something that was already scheduled to occur."

Kind of like FatTed Kennedy demanding that we bring 12,000 troops home from Iraq when that had already been planned. I guess it makes them feel like they've accomplished something.


21 posted on 11/01/2005 7:41:35 PM PST by FishFace222
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To: FairOpinion
I think ole dingy Reid threatened to pull this same stunt every day if the GOP didn't agree to the ''investigation''. I don't know if he could do that but.........I think the agreement to the ''investigation'' was already scheduled so in the end I believe the Dims got nothing but a lot of camera time.........
22 posted on 11/01/2005 7:42:27 PM PST by Bush gal in LA
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To: FairOpinion
It was all ready scheduled before the little PR stunt today. Reid and his slime ball friends in the Dinosaur media are lying.

However, I do not think the Dims realize the land mine waiting for them as they do their little victory dance.

The intelligence they all claim Bush "lied about" is the same Intelligence the Clinton admin and every current Democrat Senate leader used to justify the 1998 Iraq bombing campaign. So the source of the "cooked intelligence" turns out to be the Dems. Reid and his clowns are going to look awful stupid.

23 posted on 11/01/2005 7:43:05 PM PST by MNJohnnie (Merry Alitomas!)
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To: FairOpinion

I stopped briefly at AirAmerika tonight...and they were saying that "once again, the Republicans folded, yay!"...

I have to say that I had to agree with them...Roberts and Frist should have told them that their little stunt has caused them to PUT OFF the hearings indefinitely!!


24 posted on 11/01/2005 7:44:04 PM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: mdittmar

I agree, the Dims think they are doing themselves good,...........I have friends that are silently watching all of this from the side lines that tell me they are motivated to vote these joker RATS out of office like never before.....


25 posted on 11/01/2005 7:45:42 PM PST by Bush gal in LA
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To: FairOpinion
This really could become a blessing in disguise. The democrats have said more on prewar intelligence in justifying Clinton's actions than Bush has on why he's protecting America.

I'd say the Republicans should give the democrats enough

to hang themselves with. Now if only the Republicans can finish strong what the democrats have started.

26 posted on 11/01/2005 7:47:06 PM PST by swheats
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To: FairOpinion
Democrats claim victory.

Yet another declaration of a fake victory by the Democrats. In my count this will make it # 5387 declaration of an early victory in the last five years.

Here is my usual answer to this:



27 posted on 11/01/2005 7:47:54 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: XEHRpa

That's true. George Allen explained that on FOX and said that this has been in progress since January and phase 2 was finished in May .. BUT EVERYTIME THEY ASK THE DEMS TO MEET SO THEY COULD FINISH THE REPORT - THE DEMS ALWAYS CAME UP WITH SOME OTHER THINGS THEY HAD TO DO AND THEY DIDN'T HAVE TIME.

Now .. the dems are yelling and claiming it was the repubs who have refused to even do the 2nd phase - which is a BIG FAT LIE - and lately - what else are the dems good at!


28 posted on 11/01/2005 7:49:06 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: FairOpinion

Why are you believing the media lies? This investigation has been going on for some time. The Democrats are lying, the media is lying. This whole stunt was to manufacture news and it has worked, and you have apparently been fooled by it.


29 posted on 11/01/2005 7:49:10 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: Peach

Just to add to your list-

HR. 4655 Iraq Liberation Act of 1998

"Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government."

http://www.iraqwatch.org/government/US/Legislation/ILA.htm

Does anyone remember who was President in 1998???????


30 posted on 11/01/2005 7:49:15 PM PST by KCRW
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To: Peach

You really are a peach and have all the right stuff when it's needed. Thanks for those links.


31 posted on 11/01/2005 7:49:30 PM PST by swheats
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To: Mo1

Oh, gosh...maybe I should have read more of the posts before I posted that I agree with the dems that the Republicans "folded"....

but, alas, when you have two granddchildren fighting for your attention...it is rather hard to hear everything that is going on....sigh.

All I really got to hear was Reid's rant right before he called for the "closed session"...

I think that there were so many out-and-out lies in his speech...that I couldn't keep count...but one that really stood out, what when he got all agitated and upset because Bush FIRED Gen. Shinseki for suggesting 500,000 troops before we went into Iraq...

THAT is about the easiest lie it slap down...but, Harry still used it!!!

I told my husband that it is kind of a shame that there is a rule that Senators can say anything with impunity on the Senate floor....or all of them could be in big trouble.


32 posted on 11/01/2005 7:49:38 PM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: linn37

"Thats exactly whats going on. It was already scheduled and these jokers are fooling the media."

The demoflatuence are fooling the media.

The MSM is complicit!


33 posted on 11/01/2005 7:55:08 PM PST by Prost1 (If the dems want to unite the country then they should join in our federal democracy.)
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To: Txsleuth
Do not you feel ashamed listening to Air America? It is an insult for any person above an IQ of 70 to listen to the absolutely delusional morons of Air America. Also you may have doubled their ratings by listening to them :)
34 posted on 11/01/2005 7:56:02 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: jveritas

It is an insult to who, if I listened for all of 30 seconds?


35 posted on 11/01/2005 8:03:11 PM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: MJY1288

That's exactly true. The RATS want the report to come out .. but they are unhappy because the report doesn't fault Bush - because this was the info they were depending on in order to impeach Bush. Once they had this and an indictment for Rove - they were home Free - it was WATERGATE all over again.

You're right Mike - there is no "there" there! No wonder the dems had a meltdown today.


36 posted on 11/01/2005 8:08:45 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: FairOpinion
Dems have a hissy fit and then call it a victory? These are the same kind of people who believe schools shouldn't give tests because they're too traumatizing.
37 posted on 11/01/2005 8:12:24 PM PST by soloNYer (My state needs to be dragged to the woodshed for a severe beating.)
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To: Txsleuth

I feel better now :)


38 posted on 11/01/2005 8:15:24 PM PST by jveritas (The Axis of Defeatism: Left wing liberals, Buchananites, and third party voters.)
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To: Mo1
It can't backfire too hard since the media is once again white washing the facts and running with the story balls to the wall. They are once again telling their lies of omission. It's the sound bite that sells ideas to a lot of people.
39 posted on 11/01/2005 8:18:19 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Free choice is not what it seems)
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To: CyberAnt

Just wait until Ginsburg or Stevens announce their retirement in the next 2 years :-)


40 posted on 11/01/2005 8:18:21 PM PST by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: Mo1; FairOpinion

And also .. Frist did make a statement to somebody, "I can't trust Reid anymore".

So if both Frist and Roberts learned a good lesson today - it'll be in our favor.

Rich Galen said that this grandstand play by the dems is actually going to cause a complete turnaround. I believe he was indicating that the public is going to be madder than ever at the dems and their childish actions. The public knows that those who win the elections get to make the decisions .. even if the dems don't know it.

One thing that really bothers me is Reid's total disrespect for the President .. he keeps calling Bush names and it's just juvenile. Then, Reid has the gall to be upset because Bush didn't pick one of the 2 names he suggested to the president for the SC.


41 posted on 11/01/2005 8:21:34 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: satchmodog9
It's the sound bite that sells ideas to a lot of people

It's only selling to the far left

It's turning off the moderate Dem voters

42 posted on 11/01/2005 8:22:13 PM PST by Mo1
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To: satchmodog9
It's the long term that counts. The base is who pays attention and when electing members of the Senate and House, it's the base that votes in non Presidential elections. The Dems are losing those and with todays media becoming more and more Conservative, the leftist in the media are being exposed more and more for what they are.

Howard Fineman wrote about a Conservative Crackup, He needs to look at these moonbats on the left and think again about who is really cracking up

43 posted on 11/01/2005 8:23:29 PM PST by MJY1288 (Whenever a Liberal is Speaking on the Senate Floor, Al-Jazeera Breaks in and Covers it LIVE)
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To: CyberAnt
Frist did make a statement to somebody, "I can't trust Reid anymore".

Oh, hell, Frist will probably reward the rats for this. Wuss.

44 posted on 11/01/2005 8:24:01 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: FairOpinion

this is beautiful...the 'Rats clearly intend to try to make the war the next election issue....IDIOTS!!!!!!


45 posted on 11/01/2005 8:24:56 PM PST by mo
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To: FairOpinion
Don't allow the Democrat and their media to confuse you.
The Republicans didn't agree to anything. It's all just for show by the Democrats.

This is about the Senate Intelligence committee's "Phase II" investigation which is already under way, and is already due out soon. It rebukes all of the Democrats' rhetoric of the past 2 years. The Republicans "agreed to continue" an investigation that they were already in the middle of.

What the Democrats are trying to do here is create an illusion that Republicans are "coving up" something, and that Democrats are the ones forcing this report... a report that the Democrats already know is going to exonerate the White House.

Can you start to connect the dots here now?

This is all an attempt by the Democrats to make it look like they are fighting against some "cover-up" and it is setting the tone for when the "Phase II" report comes out. the Democrats are trying to set the narrative of the report coverage and headlines to be "Republican Cover-up?"

The GOP needs to get a lot smarter and start playing hardball on this. they consistently allow the Democrats to set the agenda and the tone, always having to play defense on issues that they ought to own.


 
46 posted on 11/01/2005 8:26:01 PM PST by counterpunch (~ Let O'Connor Go Home! ~)
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To: Txsleuth
I think that there were so many out-and-out lies in his speech...that I couldn't keep count...but one that really stood out, what when he got all agitated and upset because Bush FIRED Gen. Shinseki for suggesting 500,000 troops before we went into Iraq...

They have been lying all day .. even the lib talking heads have been doing it

I'm not talking about spinning a story .. they have been telling flat out bold face lies

47 posted on 11/01/2005 8:28:33 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Txsleuth

No! It was about finishing the report - the repubs have been trying since May to get the dems to sit down and finish the report. The dems were waiting for the Rove indictment .. because they were going to use it and this report to impeach Bush. Now it's all ruined. No wonder they flipped out.

We want the report finished because it exonerates Bush.


48 posted on 11/01/2005 8:30:41 PM PST by CyberAnt (I BELIEVE CONGRESSMAN WELDON!)
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To: MJY1288

They are committing suicide


49 posted on 11/01/2005 8:32:16 PM PST by Mo1
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To: Mo1; MJY1288

You can actually sit there and tell me the barrage of negative media has not hurt the GOP and Bush?


50 posted on 11/01/2005 8:32:28 PM PST by satchmodog9 (Free choice is not what it seems)
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