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Iraq War Vet Spat On, Called Baby Killer
Sunday, November 27, 2005 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/27/2005 12:29:48 PM PST by kristinn

Over the course of the eight months of the D.C. Chapter's Friday night demonstrations in support of our troops recuperating at Walter Reed Army Medical Center, we've been fortunate to be able to able to speak with many soldiers and hear their thoughts about the war and those who protest against it.

Recently, one soldier shared his stories with us of his experiences with those opposed to the war. To preserve his privacy from vindictive leftists, I'm leaving out details that might help them identify him.

The soldier told us of returning to a stateside civilian airport last year in uniform. Most of the time, he said, he and his fellow soldiers are greeted warmly, regardless of politics.

However, this time he was approached by a man who berated his service. The soldier responded with what is a standard statement, that he was fighting for the man's right to make such comments.

The man replied by spitting on the soldier.

A police officer witnessed the exchange and promptly intervened. He arrested the man for assault and took him away.

This month, while the soldier was staying at Walter Reed, he ventured out with four of his buddies for a relaxing evening at a local establishment.

A man approached the obviously wounded soldier and called him a "baby killer." The soldier responded by telling the man that he was fighting for his right to say things like that.

The man replied by shoving the soldier hard in the chest with both hands.

The soldier instinctively defended himself and decked the man with one punch.

As the man lay on the floor, five of his friends approached the wounded soldier to take him and his four buddies on.

Foolishly, they failed to recognize the group of eight Marines and Air Force personnel also hanging out in the joint who had been watching the wounded soldier's back.

It was all over very quickly. The manager asked everyone to leave, but he made a point of thanking the military men for their service to our country.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: antimilitary; apocryphal; communists; dcchapter; lefties; looneyleft; moonbats; oifveterans; pl; terrorsupporters; tolerantleft; troops
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To: Lib-Lickers 2
the original post said the cops were called and the guy hauled off

the original post said the cop witnessed it and hauled the guy off.

In the meantime, while you unknot your panties, I'll continue pursuing the arrest report. If I didn't consider the source credible, I wouldn't spend the time.

151 posted on 11/27/2005 9:51:04 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: everyone

The second story is very inspirational. I hope there were a lot of missing teeth.


152 posted on 11/27/2005 9:54:12 PM PST by California Patriot
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To: Riverman94610
In researching the claim, I spoke to a police officer on duty. In explaining that the left tried to clean up it's act and now claims to respect our troops and even tries to rewrite history that Vietnam vets were not spit on, he got a bit irate at that news.

We subsequently talked about the university professor who has a large reward out for any Vietnam vet who could prove they were spat upon. The prof claims it's an "urban myth".

When I told hm that anyone who could claim that money (because they had the proof in writing) would fly there to claim it for free because I'd buy the plane ticket just to see that prof have to shut his mouth.

154 posted on 11/27/2005 9:58:38 PM PST by Doctor Raoul (Raoul's First Law of Journalism: BIAS = LAYOFFS)
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To: kristinn
Can't these idiost at least come up with an original insult?

Blood for oil?

Anything that wasn't used before by their worthless parents and other 60's rejects.(Kerry,Fonda, et.al)

155 posted on 11/27/2005 9:59:01 PM PST by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

"Five against one is what the leftists call bravery."

I thought they called it picking on someone their own size.


157 posted on 11/27/2005 9:59:49 PM PST by moog
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To: Prost1

and kicked in the groin so hard he could never produce

That wouldn't have worked. There's not anything there.


158 posted on 11/27/2005 10:03:25 PM PST by moog
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To: Coop

Today's peace "movement"is a mess.Back in the Sixties, groups like ANSWER were laughed at as being Stalinist dinosaurs.
Yeah,SDS and the Yippies were damn fools but SOME of them had a sense of the absurd and could laugh at themselves.This current group is fossilized.


159 posted on 11/27/2005 10:05:09 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: GloriaJane
What a low life AND a coward that lefty is to attack a wounded soldier.

The little kids and old ladies weren't around.

160 posted on 11/27/2005 10:06:58 PM PST by moog
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To: kristinn

oh dear Lord, that soldiers can still be spat upon in this country....


161 posted on 11/27/2005 10:09:39 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Landry Fan
My guess is the shover can't find a girlfriend and took his frustration out on a real man.

I agree. One time I was with some college roommates and this couple that were friends of one of them. This guy got mad that we parked in "his" space. Instead of yelling at the husband though, he pushed the guy's wife. Pretty dumb because he hightailed it pretty quick out of there when he saw that he was going to be pine tar pretty soon.

162 posted on 11/27/2005 10:10:02 PM PST by moog
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To: Doctor Raoul

Interesting post.
I remember the first time the National Guard showed up in Berkeley for the People's Park riots.Several street people began throwing objects at their lines and calling them"pigs".
New Left leaders actually jumped between the soldiers and the crazies telling them to stop harassing"our brothers".
I know it was cynical Leftist opportunism but there were differences among segments of the Left back then.


163 posted on 11/27/2005 10:10:46 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610

This current group is fossilized.

That's why we have to be hard on them I guess.


164 posted on 11/27/2005 10:13:01 PM PST by moog
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To: kristinn; tgslTakoma; Angelwood; staytrue; BufordP; Jimmy Valentine's brother
Foolishly, they failed to recognize the group of eight Marines and Air Force personnel also hanging out in the joint who had been watching the wounded soldier's back.

I love it. :o)

It's just beyond despicable to me that anyone would spit on or harm any of our brave troops, especially when they're just minding their own business in a public place. And - geesh - that one scumbag picked on an obviously wounded soldier?! Unbelievable.

Once again, thank you - Kristinn and the DC Chapter - for all of your efforts at Walter Reed over the past eight months supporting our troops and countering the Code Pink-Os.

165 posted on 11/27/2005 10:57:18 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; Coleus; cyborg; DKNY; ...
UNREAL ping!

Please FReepmail me if you want on or off my ‘miscellaneous’ ping list.

166 posted on 11/27/2005 10:58:19 PM PST by nutmeg ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." - Hillary Clinton 6/28/04)
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To: kristinn

If the spitter was arrested, as the article said, the arrest record should be public records and a copy should be made available for when the left cries it all never happened, as they do today with us Viet Nam Vets that experienced a similar homecoming.

As for the fools that took on the Marines and Air Force men, be careful what you ask for. Sometimes, you just may receive it, as they did ;-)


167 posted on 11/27/2005 11:02:43 PM PST by DakotaRed
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To: kristinn

Happy ending I see. Good for the Air Force and Marines. Imagine being such a wimp that you would physically attack a wounded vet.


168 posted on 11/28/2005 3:49:21 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: teancumspirit

When I got back from Kuwait, my accountant refused to charge me for filing my taxes. It was pretty cool. Good for the guy who paid. Big difference btwn the right and left in such matters.


169 posted on 11/28/2005 3:50:21 AM PST by jjm2111 (99.7 FM Radio Kuwait)
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To: jjm2111

Bump.


170 posted on 11/28/2005 3:52:11 AM PST by fatima (Never do anything.)
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To: kristinn

Lefties are truly vile, disgusting creatures.


172 posted on 11/28/2005 4:02:49 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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To: Tammy8

"Yes that did happen then, but have you noticed how now the left tries to claim that is a myth??"

- What can you do except make sure your loved ones and friends know the truth. Case in point. My father was in special ops and reconnaissance, and while the official government position was that the Soviets were not in Vietnam helping the North, my father heard Russian being spoken daily on intercepted radio frequencies. They were there just as we were in Afghanistan. Go figure. Bottom line is that I agree with you. We both know that there is a lot more at work here than just some loons spouting bile & nonsense. The left has been bluffing and hiding its hand for decades now and its time to force them to reveal their true agenda. It is insidious and evil and must be stopped at all costs.


173 posted on 11/28/2005 4:28:37 AM PST by Frenetic
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To: Frenetic
The left has been bluffing and hiding its hand for decades now and its time to force them to reveal their true agenda. It is insidious and evil and must be stopped at all costs.

So what do you suggest?

174 posted on 11/28/2005 4:37:47 AM PST by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: kristinn

The left wing are facists and will attack first in almost every attack on anyone who believes other than they.
This liberal go his just deserts.


176 posted on 11/28/2005 4:49:05 AM PST by kindred (Democrat terrorist politicians have allied with Islamic terrorists.)
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To: kristinn; PhilDragoo; potlatch; ntnychik; Grampa Dave; Interesting Times; Alamo-Girl; ...




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177 posted on 11/28/2005 6:34:05 AM PST by devolve (<--- (--------(--do not check out my lame FR home page--)--------)
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To: kristinn; LadyX
It's already started?

Maybe we should get LadyX's husband after them.

LadyX, did you see this?

178 posted on 11/28/2005 6:42:52 AM PST by Pippin (You're a wizard, George!)
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To: Squantos

One can hope that the Air Force guys were AF Special Forces. I have a couple of friends who served in Laos and areas around Nam during that war as AF SF's. These guys are in their 60's now, and a couple of them would take care of 5 left wing a$$holes in about a minute.


179 posted on 11/28/2005 8:08:04 AM PST by Grampa Dave (Watch the rats re Iraq in 1998: http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/111505.wmv)
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To: Squantos

a human hackey sack

**
I savor the image!


180 posted on 11/28/2005 8:54:18 AM PST by Bigg Red (Do not trust Democrats with national security!)
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To: SandRat

"This time though i get the feeling it's not going to be tolerated."I agree.Libs are showing their true colors.They detest America,freedom,and of course our armed forces.The libs are trying to up the stakes ie verbal and physical assaults.Bring it on.


181 posted on 11/28/2005 9:05:44 AM PST by Thombo2
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To: Frenetic

I agree totally, BTW my husband told me of the Russian tanks captured at Ben Het (my spelling lol) A friend of mine from high school was a tanker and was there when they captured them- so yeah the Russians were sure helping N.Vietnam and if your dad heard them talking- well they were doing more than supplying equipment. I've had others tell me they sighted or otherwise knew Russians were in Vietnam.

Strange the things that they hid from the public then and strange the things they want to hide now. Definately an agenda. You are so right about the motives of the left and so many are just their useless idiots who would probably be the first to be disposed of if the left gets total power.


182 posted on 11/28/2005 9:39:09 AM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: Doctor Raoul

The Prof is pretty safe in his offer and knows it, because it was a different world then, those things weren't reported to the police- the spitter either ran away or got his butt kicked and that was the end of it.

I would bet very few of our soldiers even now would make a report of an incident like that- it's a shame really though because the left will once again say it never happened if there is not proof.


183 posted on 11/28/2005 9:44:39 AM PST by Tammy8 (Build a Real Border Fence, and enforce Immigration Laws!!!)
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To: kristinn
Far left moonbats like those described here sure don't care if the baby killing is done by Mohammedan goon squads. That's OK with them. I hate the left so much I can't describe my anger at them. God bless all our warfighters.
184 posted on 11/28/2005 9:48:57 AM PST by Cautor
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To: twntaipan

Perfect. That should do it, all right.


185 posted on 11/28/2005 10:47:21 AM PST by formercalifornian (One nation, under whatever popular fad comes to mind at the moment, indivisible...)
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To: devolve

...excellent as all your work...(nice profile of the President). Would be interesting to know just how much involvement the former USSR has had in Iraq... I know that overwhelming amounts of military equipment made in China, France & Russia have been recovered. Maybe some of what we still don't know about the pull out from Vietnam, relates to what we still don't know about Iraq...


186 posted on 11/28/2005 10:55:59 AM PST by SergeantsLady (I support my soldier by supporting the mission he believes in...Iraqi Freedom.)
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To: DakotaRed

thankyou DR that's all I was saying,, let's get some articles or police reports on these incidents so this can be shoved down the liberal's throats


187 posted on 11/28/2005 12:08:01 PM PST by Lib-Lickers 2
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To: SDGOP

Nothing i love more than when a leftist accuses me of being a baby killer and then i go who supports abortion again, the look on their faces is priceless.




BUMP and thanks.


188 posted on 11/28/2005 2:17:08 PM PST by The Spirit Of Allegiance (SAVE THE BRAINFOREST! Boycott the RED Dead Tree Media & NUKE the DNC Class Action Temper Tantrum!)
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To: Pippin; Grampa Dave; Squantos; kristinn; El Gato; HiJinx; Diver Dave; Dubya; The Mayor; Aeronaut; ..
Grampa Dave said:
"One can hope that the Air Force guys were AF Special Forces. I have a couple of friends who served in Laos and areas around Nam during that war as AF SF's. These guys are in their 60's now, and a couple of them would take care of 5 left wing a$$holes in about a minute."

Hooray!! Pippin, I can indeed relate the story of how my husband was greeted in October of 1968 when he returned after a year of fun and games in Southeast Asia!

From January 1962 until June 1966, he was stationed at Eielson AFB, 30 miles south of Fairbanks, Alaska.
Skipping over all the fun those years were..:), I relate the last year there, he went through extensive training in hand to hand combat skills - thus was the forerunner of your correct description of AF Special Ops, Grampa.
Graduation required singlehandedly taking on 5 men at once, and beating them all.

Fast forward to a year at Myrtle Beach AFB and then assignment to Tahkli AFB on the Thailand border with Vietnam, where he was a "Strike Team Leader," with 6 to 12 men under him.
Tahkli was the base for the then new F-111s, and their primary duty was securing the airfield perimeter for their takeoffs and landings. In addition, they routinely patrolled the small villages around it, with the locals pointing out "strangers" (communist infiltrators) remaining among them - and 'dealt with them.'

When infiltrating, they of course had no supply lines and took every resource (food, livestock, etc.) the village had, and always singled out anyone in authority/educated for torture or worse. Even more horrible, did so to their children/grandchildren, to create fear and "cooperation" in the future.

In that era McNamara cleverly created "no paper trail" TDY's, so he could with a straight face report to the USA and Congress there were "X" thousand of our troops in Vietnam - a flat out LIE, since at any given time, troops actually 'stationed' in Thailand, Laos, etc. were choppered into Nam to help with the hot spots, and never included in the cooked figures.
My husband thus took his teams into the Tet Offensive battles, and Da Nang, as examples of just some of his his "R&Rs"

Then there was the 30-minute notice to board with his men to be choppered into NORTH Vietnam to confirm a downed F-111 had no survivors, and had self-destructed as it was programmed, to leave no clues for the enemy of its workings.
My, what a fun 3 days THAT was for them, before being extracted.....

After a year, quite literally plucked from the jungles for a flight to Bangkok and a charter flight home, aboard the plane the stewardesses tried to warn them about the sentiment in the States.

With about 200 of them debarking in San Francisco, all in uniform to qualify for Standby Rates - my husband having to fly to Dallas and then Columbia, SC where I waited for him - they were greeted by a lineup of Flower Children, chanting and screaming and yes - calling them Baby Killers...

One gal DID literally spit in B's face, and his "reflexive action" was to take her arm and snap it over his leg.

Without a spoken word, the men behind him all reached out and took the children to the rest room, Airport Security smiling and looking the other way!
In the next few minutes, they were given a
Lesson in "Thou Shalt Not Spit in Public 101"..:))
Security gave the military men thumbs up, and after they had dispersed, THEN called for the Police to come clean it up, having *NO* idea how the mess happened - LOL

It got just as bad, however, for him. Aboard both flights to get across country, the stewardesses DEMANDED he sit at the VERY REAR of the plane "so he wouldn't upset the civilians."

He called to tell me he would fly out of Dallas to Columbia sometime the next day, and I left our children with my sister and anxiously camped out ALL DAY at the airport.
Planeload after planeload came - no B...and around 4:30 p.m. the last flight in from Dallas arrived....again, almost 200 persons debarked and I was crestfallen, thinking I'd have to spend the next day the same way.

Last came the stewardess, and trailing alone far behind her was MY HERO - - - yeah, America - whatta way to hurt them and all of us who waited for them.....

Thanks, Grandpa Dave for confirming my often described on FR his AF Special Ops status back then...

Assigned next to Charleston AFB, he opted out in July 1969 rather than return to Southeast Asia, as was in the works for him.

Happy to say he had successful retail management years after that, and will be 70 next week.

Happy and proud Marine here - over and out..:))

189 posted on 11/28/2005 3:51:04 PM PST by LadyX ((( He Is The Lord, above all things )))
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To: kristinn

BTTT


190 posted on 11/28/2005 3:54:20 PM PST by Jackknife ( "I bet after seeing us, George Washington would sue us for calling him 'father'." óWill Rogers)
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To: Christian4Bush; teancumspirit

I had to direct some heavy crane work outside San Antonio a couple of weekends ago. One of the labors and one of the riggers were Iraqi war Vets.

I bought everybody lunch. They thanked me.

I thanked them.

It made their day as well as mine.


191 posted on 11/28/2005 5:06:16 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: kristinn

Baby Killer?? Why that's GREAT in the eyes of a leftist!
They could just think of the soldiers as planned parenthood employees!!!!


Oh wait, I guess it depends on who's babies are dying.




192 posted on 11/28/2005 5:08:47 PM PST by Stellar Dendrite (There's nothing "Mainstream" about the Orwellian Media!!!)
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To: Riverman94610
They were almost never affiliated with Left wing militants who scorned them like the plague unless they could provide rock and bottle throwing efforts at demonstrations.

Cowards all.

The leftists haven't changed.

I graduated high school in the late '70s. There was no reason to join and Hanoi Kerry & Fonda were in their heyday.

I am too old to serve, but always thank every Vet that I meet. Too little too late, but the best that I can do.

193 posted on 11/28/2005 5:34:37 PM PST by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - I will never take Dix or El Roy off of my ping list.)
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To: Coop; All

It upsets me to think about any generation of our veterans being mistreated. One way for freepers and lurkers who live in the DC area, or who are visiting DC, to support this generation of veterans is to attend the Friday night Walter Reed counter-protests of the despicable Code Pink troophaters. It helps the Walter Reed patients' morale to know that we're on their side and we support them and their mission.

I've seen Nam vets get teary standing outside WR as they recall what they and their buddies went through. They say not this time, not to these heroes.

If attending the WR freeps is impossible for you, then do your best to support the troops in other ways (cards, care packages, whatever).

The soldier Kristinn refers to has noticed the freepers standing outside WR and he was glad to see us there.

Thanks for reading.
LF


194 posted on 11/28/2005 5:47:59 PM PST by Landry Fan (Murtha sucks. Support our Military or you suck too!!! :))
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To: Riverman94610
Been there, done that, had lots of t-shirts.

An unknown origin quote states:"If you're not a liberal when you're 25, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain."

The point being, liberals/leftists aren't the brightest bulbs in the lamp, but being one early helps make one a better conservative.

195 posted on 11/28/2005 6:41:41 PM PST by Thumper1960 ("There is no 'tolerance', there are only changing fashions in intolerance." - 'The Western Standard')
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To: Eaker; Christian4Bush

You know that if everyone did somthing like this everyday, or even once a week, the msn would not be able to keep it quite. Small acts of kindness always make their mark, plus its a lot of fun watching people, when they are caught unaware.


196 posted on 11/28/2005 7:50:14 PM PST by teancumspirit (Let us think, then do)
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To: LadyX

Thanks for sharing the story of your warrior, an AF SpecOps man.

Those were grim years for all of us in uniform both active duty and in the reserves. My BIL came back from his year in Nam with the Big Red One. He called his brother from Seattle to meet him at O Hare with civilian clothes from shirt to jeans, white socks and basketball shoes.

In his case the stewardesses kept him and a couple of other returnees on the plane after it landed and got their civilian clothes from their relatives and friends and had them change in the airplane. They put their uniforms in shopping bags for them and trashed their military shoes and hats so they wouldn't be seen with them. He was told by the ticket agent in Seattle to call home and have a relative or friend to bring the clothes to the terminal and give them to one of the flight attendants.

We will not allow this to happen to our warriors as they return from the middle east.


197 posted on 11/28/2005 10:27:04 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Watch the rats re Iraq in 1998: http://media1.streamtoyou.com/rnc/111505.wmv)
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To: SandRat

Indeed, indeed.

I'm old enough to remember the anti-war crowd spitting on our guys during the Vietnam war. No more.

This time around, the soldiers need to declare war on the leftists. No more explanations, just a good beating.

Forgive me if I sound savage, but for too long, we have had to tolerate these antics in the name of "free speech".


198 posted on 11/29/2005 2:27:20 AM PST by Ban Draoi Marbh Draoi ( Gen. 12:3: a warning to all anti-semites.)
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To: kristinn
"As the man lay on the floor, five of his friends approached the wounded soldier to take him and his four buddies on.

Foolishly, they failed to recognize the group of eight Marines and Air Force personnel also hanging out in the joint who had been watching the wounded soldier's back. "

This is an example of the nonviolent leftest peace pushers. I guess we train our guys pretty well. Thank you military personnel for defending our country. Amen.
199 posted on 11/29/2005 2:43:48 AM PST by gakrak ("A wise man's heart is his right hand, But a fool's heart is at his left" Eccl 10:2)
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To: Casloy

Reminds me of a drunken liberal woman who sauntered up to a Marine major in whites at a pre-ball cocktail hour in a lounge demanding to trade head butts if he was so tough. As he glanced around at his peers and adjacent couples so as to signify he hadn't invited this type of assault, the woman proceded to butt him in his head, while splashing his cabernet over his whites. He simply responded, quietly, by stating it was his turn, smiling and asking her to look up. She did and one simple pop with his head to her chin and out went the lights, her eyes rolled up and she collapsed, but he caught her so her head wouldn't hit the ground. By that time, local cops came in about to arrest him, when all the female witnesses in the area went loose pointing and accusing the woman with amazing foul language and they hauled her off instead. The most aggravating part of it was having to replace a set of $550 dress whites.


200 posted on 11/29/2005 3:10:37 AM PST by Cvengr (<;^))
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