Posted on 11/30/2005 1:22:19 AM PST by Bob Haran
Let's face it, our elected officials don't have a clue about how to reduce illegal immigration. After President Bush proposed a guest worker program in January 2004, he repeatedly has said, illegal border crossing must stop. He now says he is looking for an overall strategy to curb illegal immigration.
Congress can't agree on what to do about illegal immigration. McCain, Kolbe, Flake and Ted Kennedy, want a guest worker program and also want to allow some undocumented immigrants to become legal residents, but they insist that is not an amnesty. Senator Jon Kyl wants illegal immigrants to go home, voluntarily, before taking part in any guest worker program.
None of those proposals will stop anyone from crossings our borders illegally or cause any of the estimated 11 to 15 million undocumented aliens in this country to return to their own countries.
A workable strategy to curb illegal immigration is simple, no new laws are necessary, no guest worker programs, no amnesties.
People are crossing our border illegally to find jobs. It is illegal to hire undocumented immigrants, therefore, the strategy is, start doing something that the government hasn't been doing, start enforcing the law against the hiring of undocumented immigrants. If there are fewer jobs for illegal immigrants, then the number of people entering the United States illegally will drop dramatically.
Maybe the real problem is that these politicians don't feel that national security and American jobs are as important as cheap labor, that's what it's really all about anyway.
Bob Haran,
Phoenix, AZ
www.Bob-Haran.info
Congress can't agree on what to do about illegal immigration. McCain, Kolbe, Flake and Ted Kennedy, want a guest worker program and also want to allow some undocumented immigrants to become legal residents, but they insist that is not an amnesty. Senator Jon Kyl wants illegal immigrants to go home, voluntarily, before taking part in any guest worker program.
None of those proposals will stop anyone from crossings our borders illegally or cause any of the estimated 11 to 15 million undocumented aliens in this country to return to their own countries.
A workable strategy to curb illegal immigration is simple, no new laws are necessary, no guest worker programs, no amnesties.
People are crossing our border illegally to find jobs. It is illegal to hire undocumented immigrants, therefore, the strategy is, start doing something that the government hasn't been doing, start enforcing the law against the hiring of undocumented immigrants. If there are fewer jobs for illegal immigrants, then the number of people entering the United States illegally will drop dramatically.
Maybe the real problem is that these politicians don't feel that national security and American jobs are as important as cheap labor, that's what it's really all about anyway.
Bob Haran,
Phoenix, AZ
www.Bob-Haran.info
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their legal visas and Invaders.
I believe we should give amnesty to these poor CRIMINALS or INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government of Cities should be the first ones charged.
Enforcing current laws is a start but the more insidious problem is that no one in our government wants to stop immigration, illegal or otherwise. The Council on Foreign Relations would love to dissolve the US borders and its sovereignty. (Reference this prior Free Republic posting: http://www.eagleforum.org/column/2005/july05/05-07-13.html)
More and more, George Orwell's spectre of life to come in "1984" is coming to pass.
Enforcing current laws is a start but the more insidious problem is that no one in our government wants to stop immigration, illegal or otherwise. The Council on Foreign Relations would love to dissolve the US borders and our sovereignty. People need to get involved and squeeze out officials like Teddy K. and take responsibility for their government. With the Internet and other resources, ignorance is no longer an excuse. More and more, George Orwell's spectre of life to come in "1984" is coming to pass. Beware of the Communists/Socialists!!!
Who the hell is Bob Haran ?
We need 2 million illegal aliens to do agriculture jobs but for the rest your idea will fly. Cut them off from their cash flow, from their employers, from their jobs, and they'll self deport back to the pits they came from. Not all but most will cut and run. The rest are the welfare leeches and working underground. They will be more difficult to deal with
If you can't get them to go home than a least make them speak english. The President needs revoke Cliton's executive order # 13166.
Sort of. Illegals come here because they know there's more opportunity to get money. Some come to work for it, some come to steal it. But NONE of them care about the laws pertaining to legally earning it.
While I think we should get tough on employers criminally and civilly. Without a serious barrier/wall/fence/National Guard presence, they will keep coming by the millions.
Here in Singapore. The min. for being in the country illegally is 3 hits from the cane and 3 months jail.
<< It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their legal visas and Invaders.
I believe we should give amnesty to these poor [CRIMINAL-ALIEN] INVADERS.
This should be a 2 week amnesty to get the heck out of our Country.
The ones who ignore this amnesty should be buried in a tent city jail and fined $10,000 or buried elsewhere.
All aiders and abettors of these CRIMINALS or INVADERS should get 1 year in a tent city jail and a $10,000 fine for each CRIMINAL aided.
Those in government of Cities should be the first ones charged. >>
Well said.
It should be made a felony for Criminals who overstay their legal visas and Invaders
----I agree. Something NEEDS to be done and fast!
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1525711/posts
I think a combination of solutions could be used.
The main issue is that "illegals" are non-compliant with the law. I like the suggestion:
1. Census of illegals be made.
2. Only LEGAL citizens of U.S.A. should receive social secuirty, medical, & educational benefits.
Perhaps, we could utilize the policy used during WWI: all aliens that volunteered for active military service bacame automatic U.S. citizens upon honorable discharge. Their service established that these individuals had alligence to our nation, not looking for just a "hand out. "
There is a LOT MORE to it than just needing farm and labor workers. If that were the only reason, then it would be simply a matter of applying some kind of application for a guest-worker permity in order to cross the border.
But the real problem is that congress on both sides can't afford to anger the Hispanic population. I heard Neal Boortz saying yesterday that Bush won the election by such a small margin in Florida .... the numbers show that if just one more person in each Florida precint had voted Democrat, then Al Gore would be President today. In other words if just a few Hispanics had been angry at the Republicans, then we would have lost the election.
Politicians just can't bring themselves to do the right thing and inforce the present immigration laws when it will mean they loose votes in doing so.
Maybe the only way "OUT" is to have a group of legilators who do not plan to run again anyway, the same number from both parties, present the tough reform legilation. Then the entire congress vote 100% unanimously to pass it. Then the Hispanics will not know who to be mad at. Equal anger at both parties will cancell out the consequences of that anger. But would congress have the guts or the brains to do something like this, even if it meant saving our country? Probably not!
The first thing that should be done is to pass a 25% tax on every transfer of money sent to a foreign country, with the proceeds going to the STATE in which the money wire took place. That is to reimburse the states who are going broke paying for the education, medication, and incarceration of illegals and their families. This would be easy to do if our politicians had guts and not just mouths.
Not true. Our government (of the people, by the people and for the people) doesn't exist because it has been bought and paid for by those who benefit financially from the millions strong illegal work force. In addition to that, the politicians retain their power if the economy is healthy, therefore do you think there is anyone in this administration or Congress who is willing to pull 11 - 15 million consumers from our economic activity?
The flooding of our nation with illegals will not stop until we take control of the government back from the clutches of the two major parties!
That IS the issue, and it IS what it is really all about anyway. You nailed it. .
Is it a bad policy? Sure it is. Is it a threat? Absolutely (qualfied below). Should the illegal flow be staunched? Unquestionably. But there is a political cost, and more importantly, an economic cost, and these guys are faced with the following:
1) Do the right thing and stand up to organized labor with a big "STFU" and relax our immigration quotas
2) Clamp down the borders and face the labor shortages
3) Allow the labor to come in but pretend like they don't
They have chosen number three, which is an awful choice. The fact that those concerned about this choice have a large number of hysterical moonbats who think choice number 2 is a really keen idea does not help those arguing for responsible border policy. The politicians (actually, all of them) correctly see that the flood of illegals crossing our southern border are not nearly as much of a threat to our security as the "Cindy Sheehans of the right" bawl about. We have a large group of ideologues who are advocates of a cause and looking for reasons who appear silly in screeching about MeCHA and LaRaza and the huge security risks...., with a gratuitous mention of 9/11.
The fact is that we face a FAR greater security risk on our northern border, with tens of thousands of radical sheetheads who are jihadis living in Canada, and no one says crap about them. Plus, we have DOCUMENTED CASES of Haji and clan sneaking across THAT border to do us harm. Bawling out about the "security threat" on our southern border is like fighting WWII by invading Buenos Aires Argentina as the lynchpin of our European operations. Silly, and misplaced priorities. Focus first on the real threats, and we can worry about the "might maybe could be" threats later. Don't make up sh*t to support the case for a controlled Mexican border. You actually have a strong enough case in the simple argument for a sovereign self determining nation.
The argument to "protect American jobs" is, I believe, also one that is silly, shortsighted, and anti free markets. Plus, it simply doesn't square with the economic data. We have over 10 and maybe as many as 20 million illegal immigrants here,AND OUR UNEMPLOYMENT RATE IS UNDER 6 PER CENT. I will admit that I hear anecdotal stories of Americans being displaced or unable to get work in their field or suffering loss of their companies, and I admit that living in NC where the economy is booming may shade the perspective. But NC is also the fastest growing state for Latinos, and everyone knows the illegals are overwhelmingly hispanic. I talked to a guy yesterday whose wife, sister, sister in law, and cousin were just rounded up in an ICE sweep. They are here, but I don't see these hordes of citizens being displaced at all. What I DO see is a more aggressive labor pool and a group of people who started with nothing now buying homes, cars, running businesses, starting churches and (some of them) sending their kids to private schools. And please don't bother with the same old lying crap about the reason they can afford it is that they work under the table and don't pay taxes. Most of them work in service jobs, have payroll taxes witheld, and even if they claim 9 exemptions (the limit you can claim without having the fed ask "why?" and having to respond), they still have the moneys witheld, and they get none of it back (they are afraid to file, an the IRS likes it that way!)
We DO need to get control of our borders and we DO need to document the people here. Arguing that on the basis of false security premises and false job premises does not impress any politicians. They lie as well as anyone and know a lie when they see it.
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