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Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
cnsnews.com ^ | 1/13/05 | By Marc Morano and Randy Hall

Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz

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To: Mr. Silverback
Good afternoon.
"He was put in for it by his CO,..."

Unless things have changed, or I'm losing my memory, you aren't "put in" for a purple heart. When you are treated for a wound by medical personnel they fill out a tag on the injury and that report makes it's way up the chain and the medal is awarded.

Cleland isn't a good example of a phony PH because he was wounded during combat operations. It doesn't matter who blew him up.

Michael Frazier
501 posted on 01/15/2006 12:44:44 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: cmppc

He is a traitor to the brave men and women who are serving over there. A real hero does not brag about medals. I know my brother has many but I do not have a clue as to what they are. I hope my niece does.


502 posted on 01/15/2006 12:48:40 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: ARealMothersSonForever

I hope so.


503 posted on 01/15/2006 12:50:20 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: MamaB

cmppc left our midst well over an hour ago.
It will not be missed ;)


504 posted on 01/15/2006 12:55:13 PM PST by ARealMothersSonForever
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Your Post has Inspired me, Donald Rumsfeld Fan, and Made me So Thankful for the Good men who Lead our Nation. Bush Sr. and Bob Dole are two men I Esteem Very Highly, along with Ronald Reagan; they are Real Men, Unlike Some who have Occupied the White House. I didn't Always Agree with their Politics, but they are Courageous, Patriotic Men who are Deserving of our Highest Respect and Honor.

I So Wanted Bob Dole to Win the White House that I Refered to him as "President Dole" whenever I would Mention his Name to Anyone in my Family! I was Devastated when he didn't Win.

My Computer Refuses to Let me See the Third Picture you Posted, Even when I Hit "Show Picture," so I will Look at it Tonight on my Other Computer. (Thank you for that 2nd Picture!)


505 posted on 01/15/2006 1:15:51 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: GSWarrior

Yes.

It's john kerry redux and the public has a right to know, especially since Murtha has become the dem attack dog against the administration's conduct of the war, and policy, regarding Iraq.


506 posted on 01/15/2006 1:30:47 PM PST by GretchenM (God made you. He will also take you out. Better to go on His terms -- through Jesus.)
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To: sakic
People who didn't serve who criticize war records of people who put their life on line while the criticizers kept their fat asses pinned to couches are vermin in my opinion.

I served. I say if Murtha's war record is a fraud, expose him.

Murtha should not be allowed to climb atop a box of lies to claim the moral high ground to criticize what our troops are doing in Iraq. He himself has opened his war record to scrutiny. He has no cause to complain if we accept the invitation and take a hard look.

507 posted on 01/15/2006 1:31:35 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: windcliff
"Get it?"

"Got it."

"Good."

508 posted on 01/15/2006 1:32:28 PM PST by onedoug
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To: brazzaville
"Cleland isn't a good example of a phony PH because he was wounded during combat operations. It doesn't matter who blew him up."

Being wounded during an operation in Vietnam did not necessarily authorize the award of a Purple Heart. The wound had to be the result of enemy fire. The way I read the Max Cleland wounding was that it occurred during an administrative landing of a helicopter on a secured LZ on a U.S. firebase. The helicopter had landed, some passengers had exited the helicopter, and Cleland decided at the last minute to stay at the firebase and meet with friends who were assigned there. Cleland threw his gear off the helicopter, jumped off, picked up his gear and started to walk away when he looked back and saw a U.S. hand grenade laying on the ground where his gear had been. Thinking he had accidentally dropped the grenade, he turned around to pick it up, and as he reached for it, the grenade exploded. This was undoubtedly a tragic accident but was not the result of enemy fire and would not normally have resulted in the award of a Purple Heart.

I don't know if anyone ever did a statistical study on the subject, but from personal experience, I witnessed almost as many U.S. troops wounded or killed by either accident or by friendly fire in Vietnam as I did by enemy fire. But then, no unit I served with ever took a good ass kicking.

509 posted on 01/15/2006 1:39:00 PM PST by DJ Taylor (Once again our country is at war, and once again the Democrats have sided with our enemy.)
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To: Mr. Silverback
My daddy will tell you he wasn't a hero, he just did his duty. Lots of other folks did far more braver deeds than he did, he will say.

But I don't care what he says, he's MY hero!

510 posted on 01/15/2006 1:57:32 PM PST by AnAmericanMother (Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment))
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To: Lunatic Fringe

If any pubbies get caught lying, hang 'em high.


511 posted on 01/15/2006 2:54:03 PM PST by razorback-bert
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; All

512 posted on 01/15/2006 3:23:21 PM PST by Gucho
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To: DJ Taylor
Accidents don't count. During a rocket attack, a friend of mine busted a wing diving for cover. Ruled an accident. during another rocket attack several of us were rained on by shrapnel. Also accidental.
While in Danang, we got an occasional afternoon at China Beach in country R&R and recuperation area for those dinged up in action. Some got PHs, some didn't.
513 posted on 01/15/2006 3:38:05 PM PST by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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Hey "Move On FReeper" who had my FR account suspended on 1/14/06 Listen Up

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1557630/posts?page=379#379

I KNOW you are here lurking.

Your FR profile has no info about you or
an e-mail address to write to you?

You've been afraid to even be on this thread
and orchestrated my account being suspended
(the 1st and only time on FR)
by FReep Mail only.

So if I FReep mail you I'll probably be suspended a 2nd time
since you have at least one Mod from the "Move On FReepers"
on your side.

So go to my profile page and send me your real e-mail address.
http://www.freerepublic.com/~6869tonkingulfyachtc/

I'll be waiting for your e-mail!


514 posted on 01/15/2006 4:02:59 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: RVN Airplane Driver
"...strongly suggest reinstatement of the draft."

I have mixed feelings on that....
I'd hate to introduce unwilling, unsuited amateurs into a fine running professional volunteer warrior corps, but on the other hand -- every male would benefit from the experience and perhaps gain some sense of loyalty to country...

Semper Fi

515 posted on 01/15/2006 4:12:01 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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Hey "Move on FReeper", pay attention and learn

Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558666/posts


516 posted on 01/15/2006 4:12:45 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: Little Bill
In I Corps - most Intel Officers were NOT REMF...they were often "near in fear" when the SHTF!
It was not uncommon to have them exposed and in harm's way... Hell, you could even get yourself killed mainside DaNang!
I have no difficulty accepting the story that Murtha may have been of this type and in harm's way ---- I simply doubt the truth of his "heroics" and his DESERVING two "Purple Hearts"..

Semper Fi
517 posted on 01/15/2006 4:38:08 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Kitty Mittens
Sometimes these links I get from Google Images are prone to break. I hit the preview button and they're OK. But when I post they're broken. I have no idea why.

Let's try one more time Kitty and if it breaks so be it. It's a photo of Bush Sr. being fished out of the sea and onto what appears to be the deck of a submarine.


518 posted on 01/15/2006 5:34:33 PM PST by Donald Rumsfeld Fan ("fake but accurate": NY Times)
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To: DJ Taylor
Good evening.
"I witnessed almost as many U.S. troops wounded or killed by either accident or by friendly fire in Vietnam as I did by enemy fire."

Not just in Vietnam. Since man started using projectile weapons he has been accidentally killing or wounding his buddies and himself. Explosives just added to the problem and "smart" weapons will probably make it worse for a while.

I believe you are right about the rules but it would be a rare doc who didn't sign off on a PH for wounds as serious as Cleland's

Michael Frazier
519 posted on 01/15/2006 5:36:48 PM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: JLO
Here's a pic of Murtha (I'm 99.99% sure it's him) sitting in the VFW audience while President Bush spoke awhile back. It was a headline story over at DU.

I don't think it's him- look at the rank on the hat. Murtha was a Colonel, supposedly, when he retired and I'm sure that he was an officer who looked down on NCOs.

520 posted on 01/15/2006 5:44:49 PM PST by DilJective (Proudly serving in the US Army)
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To: jwalsh07

"Murtha has stuck his ample foot in his ample mouth more times than is necessary to cast doubt on his opinion."

Why haven't the MP's called this idiot into their office, and perhaps take away that, "Hero" status/purple hearts if he doesn't button his lip?


521 posted on 01/15/2006 6:32:06 PM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
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522 posted on 01/15/2006 6:33:38 PM PST by JLO (www.operationminnesotanice.com)
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To: Donald Rumsfeld Fan
Thank you for Trying to Repost the Picture of Bush Sr. being Pulled Out of the Water! I'm on my Other Computer, but I still can't See it. (But Thank you for your Thoughtfulness in Trying to Post it!)

I have Seen a Video Clip of him being Pulled to Safety on the News a Couple of Years Ago; I was Amazed that the Clip Even Existed! God Bless this Dear and Courageous man!


523 posted on 01/15/2006 9:05:04 PM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub

Thanks for the ping Tonkin. Good graphic!!


524 posted on 01/15/2006 9:16:57 PM PST by potlatch (Does a clean house indicate that there is a broken computer in it?)
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To: brazzaville
Unless things have changed, or I'm losing my memory, you aren't "put in" for a purple heart. When you are treated for a wound by medical personnel they fill out a tag on the injury and that report makes it's way up the chain and the medal is awarded.

If that detail is wrong, it must be a mistake on my part. This guy is the real deal. I've not only seen the shrapnel, I've seen footage of him in Vietnam.

525 posted on 01/15/2006 10:59:20 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Politics is war by other means, and just as in war we need to hit the enemy at their centers of gravity. For example, you don't go after every soldier in the enemy army just because they exist and could hurt you, you hit where it will gain you the most.

When some Freeper disagrees with you about what is and isn't an important center of gravity to hit at this moment, that doesn't make them a traitor.

526 posted on 01/15/2006 11:25:28 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: river rat; RVN Airplane Driver

The draft is the last thing the Army wants, and Air Force guys I served with had nothing good to say about it. It is counterproductive at this point.


527 posted on 01/15/2006 11:29:05 PM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: paltz

While I whole heartedly disagree with Murtha's stance, as a veteran of long term service, I am sick and tired of these attacks on the service of various veterans.


528 posted on 01/16/2006 7:59:37 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: Mr. Silverback

I agree that is exactly my point.


529 posted on 01/16/2006 7:59:55 AM PST by JIM O
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To: Bob
Last Name, First Name
Rank
Title/Position
530 posted on 01/16/2006 8:07:16 AM PST by jb6 (The Atheist/Pagan mind, a quandary wrapped in egoism and served with a side order of self importance)
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To: paltz

Most likely true but the wrong approach.


531 posted on 01/16/2006 8:10:47 AM PST by grace522 (Let's not slander our intelligence to that degree)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"When some Freeper disagrees with you about what is and isn't an important center of gravity to hit at this moment, that doesn't make them a traitor."

Just when did I say that made them a traitor?




532 posted on 01/16/2006 8:37:08 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Be wary of the "Move On FReepers" who scream and howl "Move On Tonk, Get Over It")
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To: BIGLOOK

After 37 years, what rank did he retire...Lt Colonel?


533 posted on 01/16/2006 8:52:31 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: jb6
Last Name, First Name
Rank
Title/Position

Or something very similar. I just received a replacement DD-214.

On the cover letter:

First Name Last Name (signed)

First Name Last Name (printed)

Archives Technician (printed)

Core 3, Team A (printed)

On the DD-214 (from 1975):

J. M. REYES, PNC, USN, ASS'T PERS.OFF.(typed)

BY DIRECTION OF THE C. O. (typed)

Separate block: written signature

534 posted on 01/16/2006 9:47:53 AM PST by Bob
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To: MadeInAmerica

It would only take five minutes for the two of them to discuss their war stories. Neither had anything true to talk about. Cheez.


535 posted on 01/16/2006 9:49:20 AM PST by Marysecretary (Thank you, Lord, for FOUR MORE YEARS!!!)
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To: MadeInAmerica

ROFLMAO...him and Kerry should get together and swap war stories. By the time they are done...they would have been both killed and raised from the dead.


--

And then GW Bush could come along and tell his war stories?
Seriously, this is a stupid route to go down. If you think someone's policies, then say so. If you think their policies will be bad for the country, then say so and say why.
This whole thing of discussing what people did decades ago is rather depressing. Politics should be about the future, not the past.


536 posted on 01/16/2006 10:19:34 AM PST by TheWormster
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Perhaps you have never explicitly used the term "traitor" to describe the "Move On Freepers," but your statements about them clearly are meant to leave the impression that they are enemies of the troops, or at least that they "put politics 1st, then money, then the troops." In post 461 of this thread you said that they "are out to sabotage the 2006 and 2008 elections" and posted that over a photo of John Kerry stabbing a soldier in the back. Is that supposed to mean something other than treason? The only way you could imply it more strongly is to post a photo of Benedict Arnold and label it "18th Century Move On Freeper." If you're surprised I'm getting the "They're traitors" vibe from your posts, maybe you should read back through some of them and think about it a bit.

Yes, some of the people who disagree with you on Murtha and Kerry are hostile about it. That doesn't make them Kerry and Murtha's allies. If a prosecutor doesn't want to take a case to court because they won't get a conviction, that doesn't make them a criminal, or a lover of crime. Yet when someone believes that your tactics will not gain anything for the troops or the conservative cause, you publicly associate them with people who are guilty of treason, and often do so with illustrations that show someone committing treasonous acts. As I said, it would be difficult for you to imply it more strongly.

If you think these people really are DUers, then get some Freeper researchers together and see if you can bust them. My problem is I'd bet you'd lump me in with the "Move On Freepers" because I think there's no chance in the world we'd ever get Kerry removed from the Senate and shouldn't waste our time. Let me tell you, I sure as heck haven't spent the last four years doing troop support work so somebody can lump me in with John Kerry and Jack Murtha.

537 posted on 01/16/2006 10:35:30 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: TheWormster
And then GW Bush could come along and tell his war stories?

I am not in favor of giving much attention to Murtha's medals, but this is beyond silly. First, let's note that the President has not ever used his service as a qualification for his elected jobs, and Murtha and Kerry have used it as their foremost qualification. Second, let's review the record:

Kerry gamed the system for medals and committed treason.

Murtha may have gamed the system for medals, and is certainly giving aid and comfort to our enemies now.

GWB volunteered for Vietnam twice according to witnesses, volunteered to fly a plane known for killing pilots, and served his time honorably.

You don't have to think G.W. is a hero to see that there is no comparison between him and these scumbags. And as a veteran, I have no problem with a medlahound being exposed. I don't think we should make it a line of attack with Murtha, but I see no problem with it in general. Those who game the system deserve to be exposed, no matter how much later it occurs.

538 posted on 01/16/2006 10:43:14 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"Yes, some of the people who disagree with you on Murtha and Kerry are hostile about it."

And now they resort to getting my FR account suspended,
for what was a private discussion in FReep mail.

It was the 1st time ever that they resorted to this tactic.

Notice how they never say anything against hanoi kerry or cut and run murtha, BUT attack me.

Just keep in mind that
"Move On FReepers" "swore" klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".

Now we have to deal with hitlery because the
"Move On FReepers" told everyone to "wait"

I'm far from the only person on this thread, or in the forum, that has enough of the "PC" crowd.

The "PC" crowd is in fact the minority on FR.

Time to get to the basics.

Just ask Karl Rove who really won the Nov 2 2004 election


Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1345603/posts









539 posted on 01/16/2006 11:05:45 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"I think there's no chance in the world we'd ever get Kerry removed from the Senate and shouldn't waste our time."

With a soon 6-3 US Supreme Court it's a no brainer!

It's not "my bright idea", it's what the law of the land says.

There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate

He is there illegally!

WAKEUP AMERICA!

For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.

Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen

Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html

And the FBI has proof of his treason.

Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files

May 1970
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.

(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)

http://www.archive-news.net/Kerry/JK_timeline.html

a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.

http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/ucmj.htm#*%20843.%20ART.%2043.%20STATUTE%20OF%20LIMITATIONS


540 posted on 01/16/2006 11:13:09 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
Whether it's the law and whether we can get it done at this time are two different things.

1. If the American people were really ready to believe that Kerry is an undisputed Benedict Arnold, he would not have gotten 48% of the vote.

2. If Kerry goes out now, he will be replaced by another traitor from Mass., only without any of the inconvenient baggage.

The center of gravity is the hearts and minds of non-conservatives. Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism.

541 posted on 01/16/2006 11:28:11 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism."

It's the law of the land, plain and simple.

A soon to be 6-3 US Supreme Court is all that is needed.

"If the Constitution says that the little guy should win,
the little guy's going to win in court before me.
But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well,
then the big guy's going to win,
because my obligation is to the Constitution. That's the oath," he said.

Judge John Roberts 09/15/05

U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html


542 posted on 01/16/2006 11:32:32 AM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub
I didn't say it wasn't the law. I said that it wouldn't help anything. Kerry goes out, another troop-hating Mass Dem goes in. The public, 48% of which voted for Kerry to be C-in-C, starts wondering what the heck we're doing. We pay at the ballot box. No help for the troops, the nation or consevatism. And that's assuming your plan works. If it doesn't work, we get all the downside and Kerry gets to play the poor martyr stoically putting up wiith our persecution. Screw that!

Please, go ahead. Tell me how you will get the Congress (notice section 5) to do this. Tell me how all the folks who voted for Kerry (and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate) will suddenly decide that he's Benedict Arnold. Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with another brain dead Massachusetss pol.

But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that.

543 posted on 01/16/2006 11:53:28 AM PST by Mr. Silverback ("Do they sell walls there?"--Paris Hilton asks about Wal-Mart.)
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To: river rat
I was in the Army in II and III Corps and can only go by my own experiences. Most of the time when they showed up it was to direct the collection of papers and stuff, do some Order of Battle ID's and make sure we missed nothing.

Generally after the fact.

544 posted on 01/16/2006 11:59:31 AM PST by Little Bill (A 37%'r, a Red Spot on a Blue State, rats are evil.)
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To: Mr. Silverback

Why do you assume the US Supreme Court won't do the right thing.

Have you lost faith in the U.S. Constitution

It needs no action by the US Senate at all.

U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3 (1868)

Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath,
as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer
of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,

or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.

But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.amendmentxiv.html


545 posted on 01/16/2006 12:02:00 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that."

Again, show me proof where I said they were traitors?


546 posted on 01/16/2006 12:04:26 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees,

like about 10% of the electorate"

Source please


547 posted on 01/16/2006 12:06:37 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Mr. Silverback

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1558539/posts?page=24#24


548 posted on 01/16/2006 12:12:43 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Mr. Silverback

"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate"

Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)

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549 posted on 01/16/2006 12:40:07 PM PST by 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub (Plank Owner : Department of Homeland Security)
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To: Little Bill
I hope you didn't misunderstand my post..
It was NOT intended to dispute your observations in your experience..
I was only attempting to give a different experience, in a different area in a different branch of the service -- involving only those persons personally observed...

There is no doubt that others had experiences different from mine and yours.....
My post was an attempt to state that Murtha - in Intelligence -- could in fact have been exposed to enemy action ANYWHERE in I Corps ---- even if he spent most of his time in DaNang...

There is no doubt every branch had plenty of worthless POS that had been elevated to Officer status --- I consider it my good fortune to have never served under one...

Welcome home
Semper Fi

550 posted on 01/16/2006 1:37:31 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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