Skip to comments.Murtha's War Hero Status Called Into Question
Posted on 01/13/2006 11:53:53 AM PST by paltz
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He is a traitor to the brave men and women who are serving over there. A real hero does not brag about medals. I know my brother has many but I do not have a clue as to what they are. I hope my niece does.
I hope so.
cmppc left our midst well over an hour ago.
It will not be missed ;)
I So Wanted Bob Dole to Win the White House that I Refered to him as "President Dole" whenever I would Mention his Name to Anyone in my Family! I was Devastated when he didn't Win.
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It's john kerry redux and the public has a right to know, especially since Murtha has become the dem attack dog against the administration's conduct of the war, and policy, regarding Iraq.
I served. I say if Murtha's war record is a fraud, expose him.
Murtha should not be allowed to climb atop a box of lies to claim the moral high ground to criticize what our troops are doing in Iraq. He himself has opened his war record to scrutiny. He has no cause to complain if we accept the invitation and take a hard look.
Being wounded during an operation in Vietnam did not necessarily authorize the award of a Purple Heart. The wound had to be the result of enemy fire. The way I read the Max Cleland wounding was that it occurred during an administrative landing of a helicopter on a secured LZ on a U.S. firebase. The helicopter had landed, some passengers had exited the helicopter, and Cleland decided at the last minute to stay at the firebase and meet with friends who were assigned there. Cleland threw his gear off the helicopter, jumped off, picked up his gear and started to walk away when he looked back and saw a U.S. hand grenade laying on the ground where his gear had been. Thinking he had accidentally dropped the grenade, he turned around to pick it up, and as he reached for it, the grenade exploded. This was undoubtedly a tragic accident but was not the result of enemy fire and would not normally have resulted in the award of a Purple Heart.
I don't know if anyone ever did a statistical study on the subject, but from personal experience, I witnessed almost as many U.S. troops wounded or killed by either accident or by friendly fire in Vietnam as I did by enemy fire. But then, no unit I served with ever took a good ass kicking.
But I don't care what he says, he's MY hero!
If any pubbies get caught lying, hang 'em high.
Hey "Move On FReeper" who had my FR account suspended on 1/14/06 Listen Up
I KNOW you are here lurking.
Your FR profile has no info about you or
an e-mail address to write to you?
You've been afraid to even be on this thread
and orchestrated my account being suspended
(the 1st and only time on FR)
by FReep Mail only.
So if I FReep mail you I'll probably be suspended a 2nd time
since you have at least one Mod from the "Move On FReepers"
on your side.
So go to my profile page and send me your real e-mail address.
I'll be waiting for your e-mail!
I have mixed feelings on that....
I'd hate to introduce unwilling, unsuited amateurs into a fine running professional volunteer warrior corps, but on the other hand -- every male would benefit from the experience and perhaps gain some sense of loyalty to country...
Hey "Move on FReeper", pay attention and learn
Jack Murtha's "Fake" Purple Hearts, An Open Letter
Let's try one more time Kitty and if it breaks so be it. It's a photo of Bush Sr. being fished out of the sea and onto what appears to be the deck of a submarine.
I don't think it's him- look at the rank on the hat. Murtha was a Colonel, supposedly, when he retired and I'm sure that he was an officer who looked down on NCOs.
"Murtha has stuck his ample foot in his ample mouth more times than is necessary to cast doubt on his opinion."
Why haven't the MP's called this idiot into their office, and perhaps take away that, "Hero" status/purple hearts if he doesn't button his lip?
I have Seen a Video Clip of him being Pulled to Safety on the News a Couple of Years Ago; I was Amazed that the Clip Even Existed! God Bless this Dear and Courageous man!
Thanks for the ping Tonkin. Good graphic!!
If that detail is wrong, it must be a mistake on my part. This guy is the real deal. I've not only seen the shrapnel, I've seen footage of him in Vietnam.
When some Freeper disagrees with you about what is and isn't an important center of gravity to hit at this moment, that doesn't make them a traitor.
The draft is the last thing the Army wants, and Air Force guys I served with had nothing good to say about it. It is counterproductive at this point.
While I whole heartedly disagree with Murtha's stance, as a veteran of long term service, I am sick and tired of these attacks on the service of various veterans.
I agree that is exactly my point.
Most likely true but the wrong approach.
"When some Freeper disagrees with you about what is and isn't an important center of gravity to hit at this moment, that doesn't make them a traitor."
Just when did I say that made them a traitor?
After 37 years, what rank did he retire...Lt Colonel?
Or something very similar. I just received a replacement DD-214.
On the cover letter:
First Name Last Name (signed)
First Name Last Name (printed)
Archives Technician (printed)
Core 3, Team A (printed)
On the DD-214 (from 1975):
J. M. REYES, PNC, USN, ASS'T PERS.OFF.(typed)
BY DIRECTION OF THE C. O. (typed)
Separate block: written signature
It would only take five minutes for the two of them to discuss their war stories. Neither had anything true to talk about. Cheez.
ROFLMAO...him and Kerry should get together and swap war stories. By the time they are done...they would have been both killed and raised from the dead.
And then GW Bush could come along and tell his war stories?
Seriously, this is a stupid route to go down. If you think someone's policies, then say so. If you think their policies will be bad for the country, then say so and say why.
This whole thing of discussing what people did decades ago is rather depressing. Politics should be about the future, not the past.
Yes, some of the people who disagree with you on Murtha and Kerry are hostile about it. That doesn't make them Kerry and Murtha's allies. If a prosecutor doesn't want to take a case to court because they won't get a conviction, that doesn't make them a criminal, or a lover of crime. Yet when someone believes that your tactics will not gain anything for the troops or the conservative cause, you publicly associate them with people who are guilty of treason, and often do so with illustrations that show someone committing treasonous acts. As I said, it would be difficult for you to imply it more strongly.
If you think these people really are DUers, then get some Freeper researchers together and see if you can bust them. My problem is I'd bet you'd lump me in with the "Move On Freepers" because I think there's no chance in the world we'd ever get Kerry removed from the Senate and shouldn't waste our time. Let me tell you, I sure as heck haven't spent the last four years doing troop support work so somebody can lump me in with John Kerry and Jack Murtha.
I am not in favor of giving much attention to Murtha's medals, but this is beyond silly. First, let's note that the President has not ever used his service as a qualification for his elected jobs, and Murtha and Kerry have used it as their foremost qualification. Second, let's review the record:
Kerry gamed the system for medals and committed treason.
Murtha may have gamed the system for medals, and is certainly giving aid and comfort to our enemies now.
GWB volunteered for Vietnam twice according to witnesses, volunteered to fly a plane known for killing pilots, and served his time honorably.
You don't have to think G.W. is a hero to see that there is no comparison between him and these scumbags. And as a veteran, I have no problem with a medlahound being exposed. I don't think we should make it a line of attack with Murtha, but I see no problem with it in general. Those who game the system deserve to be exposed, no matter how much later it occurs.
"Yes, some of the people who disagree with you on Murtha and Kerry are hostile about it."
And now they resort to getting my FR account suspended,
for what was a private discussion in FReep mail.
It was the 1st time ever that they resorted to this tactic.
Notice how they never say anything against hanoi kerry or cut and run murtha, BUT attack me.
Just keep in mind that
"Move On FReepers" "swore" klintoon, hitlery, hanoi kerry, sanbdi ber(bur)glar, al bore, jane beno,
would be prosecuted for
pardongate, chinagate, the bribes in upstate NY in the 2000 NY Senate race, waco, etc, etc,
"when" the "time was right".
Now we have to deal with hitlery because the
"Move On FReepers" told everyone to "wait"
I'm far from the only person on this thread, or in the forum, that has enough of the "PC" crowd.
The "PC" crowd is in fact the minority on FR.
Time to get to the basics.
Just ask Karl Rove who really won the Nov 2 2004 election
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)
"I think there's no chance in the world we'd ever get Kerry removed from the Senate and shouldn't waste our time."
With a soon 6-3 US Supreme Court it's a no brainer!
It's not "my bright idea", it's what the law of the land says.
There is no need to impeach Hanoi Kerry from the US Senate
He is there illegally!
For those who "forgot" what Hanoi Kerry
did in the past read on and learn the truth.
Hanoi Kerry was still a USNR officer while he:
gave false hearsay testimony to Congress
negotiated with the enemy
helped the US lose a war
abetted in the deaths of millions
created a hostile environment for all servicemen
Why is Kerry still in the US Senate?
This is in violation of
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
And the FBI has proof of his treason.
Hanoi Kerry Timeline of a traitor
includes FBI files
Kerry and Julia traveled to Paris, France and met with Madame Nguyen Thi Binh, the Foreign Minister of the Provisional Revolutionary Government of Vietnam (PRG), the political wing of the Vietcong, and other Viet Cong and Communist Vietnamese representatives to the Paris peace talks, a trip he now calls a "fact-finding" mission.
(U.S. code 18 U.S.C. 953, declares it illegal for a U.S. citizen to go abroad and negotiate with a foreign power.)
a) A person charged with absence without leave or missing movement in time of war,
or with any offense punishable by death,
may be tried at any time without limitation.
1. If the American people were really ready to believe that Kerry is an undisputed Benedict Arnold, he would not have gotten 48% of the vote.
2. If Kerry goes out now, he will be replaced by another traitor from Mass., only without any of the inconvenient baggage.
The center of gravity is the hearts and minds of non-conservatives. Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism.
"Millions have to be won before your plan has any gain in it for the troops, the nation, or conservatism."
It's the law of the land, plain and simple.
A soon to be 6-3 US Supreme Court is all that is needed.
"If the Constitution says that the little guy should win,
the little guy's going to win in court before me.
But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well,
then the big guy's going to win,
because my obligation is to the Constitution. That's the oath," he said.
Judge John Roberts 09/15/05
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3
Please, go ahead. Tell me how you will get the Congress (notice section 5) to do this. Tell me how all the folks who voted for Kerry (and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate) will suddenly decide that he's Benedict Arnold. Tell me how it will help any soldier anywhere to replace Kerry with another brain dead Massachusetss pol.
But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that.
Generally after the fact.
Why do you assume the US Supreme Court won't do the right thing.
Have you lost faith in the U.S. Constitution
It needs no action by the US Senate at all.
U.S. Constitution Amendment 14 Sec 3 (1868)
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress,
or elector of President and Vice President,
or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States,
or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath,
as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States,
or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer
of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States,
shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same,
or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof.
But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
"But most of all, tell me why people who want to hit just as hard on a different center of gravity are not merely wrong, but traitors. I'm still waiting for a proper explanation of that."
Again, show me proof where I said they were traitors?
"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees,
like about 10% of the electorate"
"and all those who voted for Bush and didn't believe the Swiftees, like about 10% of the electorate"
Rove Credits Swiftvets With 'Energizing' Bush Vote (Thank You Karl Rove!)