Posted on 01/22/2006 2:35:38 PM PST by radar101
JAG, we are told, mistakenly thought the open-tip round was the same as hollow-point ammunition, which is banned. The original open-tip was known as Sierra MatchKing and broke all records for accuracy in the past 30 years. The difference between the open-tip and the hollow point is that the open tip is a design feature that improves accuracy while the hollow point is designed for increasing damage when it hits a target. About 10 days ago, the Army JAG in Iraq ordered all snipers to stop using the open-tip 175-grain M118LR bullet, claiming, falsely, it was prohibited. Instead of the open-tip, snipers were forced to take M-60 machine gun rounds out of belts and use them instead.
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"What kind of bullet can we use on military lawyers?"
Dum Dums?
Slugs?
HeeHee
In too many hierarchies, managers/officers feel most threatened by the kind of person who would blow the whistle on stupidity for the good of the unit. They fear they would be next
Oh, gee, I thought the object was to kill the buggers when fighting a war.
Bush should exercise authority as commander in chief to kick her butt out, now.
Tracers I hope.
Exactly. They're for the kinder, gentler, terrorists, who will now cut your throat with a butter knife. LOL
"the reversal was followed by the Army officials' taking retaliation against a sniper who blew the whistle on the bogus order."
Without which our troops would still be using the inferior ammo!
Somebody higher up the chain of command needs to fix this, and get that sniper back on the job.
Damn busybody JAG bureaucrats to begin with.
So what does the JAG suggest they shoot with, spitballs?
How about "hollow-tipped" spitballs??
You read this?
The line officer that allowed the JAG order to go out to operational units without verifying it needs to hang up his costume jewelry and move on to a civilian career.
That doesn't sound right. The normal approach is to supply a sniper with high quality ammo that is loaded to a consistent spec. The sniper verifies the behavior of his batch with a couple test rounds to verify point of impact vs the current sighting of his rifle. The rest of the batch goes out to do the assigned task. Plucking rounds out of an M-60 machine gun belt is like randomly selecting Yugos and Geo metros before competing in a NASCAR race. It doesn't pass the smell test.
Hummm
Seems in this case JAG = REMF
Hello,
First post in a long time. I'm over in Iraq, doing sniper missions for the USA. I have not seen or heard of any edict from on high about the use ammunition other than APIT in the .50 cal. If there was such an order posted , we still have in the inventory M118 which has a 173 gr. FMJ projectile, and gives an honest MOA.The 175 gr. Matchking has been loaded in our sniper ammo since at least 1995, when I first saw it and tested it.
JAG issued a ruling on the use of this ammo way back then, said as the ammo is not designed to expand, it can be used for sniper ammo. M 60 ammo has an exceptance of 4 MOA. This equates to approximately a 20" group at 500M. It can be used , just not the best, and it does not mate up with the ballistic cam on the day optic.
As far as the ammo being accurate at 1500M, I call BS. The round goes subsonic at approx. 900M. Very difficult to hit, after this fact.
Best,
One against the enemy abroad and one against those impeding the effort here at home.
I imagine that did wonders for accuracy. NOT!
errr.... politicians
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