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Pro-Choice Is a Lie: Babies Never Choose to Die
Human Events Online ^ | 1/25/06 | Michael Lewis

Posted on 01/29/2006 1:35:15 PM PST by wagglebee

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To: wagglebee
Pro-Choice Is a Lie: Babies Never Choose to Die

Oh, how do they know that? I mean did they take a survey of babies?

/sarcasm
(That probably wasn't necessary. But., you never know, a newbie might take me seriously.)

41 posted on 01/29/2006 8:45:46 PM PST by Barnacle (The Democrat Party consists of a gaggle of criminal defense attorneys, and their clients.)
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To: Lochlainnach
Generally speaking, yes. I'm no lawyer, but from what I've read, this appears to be the dominant legal philosophy.

This is the paradox of the unborn. The Courts extend some protection in some circumstances, but not all the rights all the time.

I know in my home state of WI, some moms have been charged with damaging their children while they were still pregnant due to alcohol or drug abuse.

I find this very concept to be insanity, and nothing else. How anyone has the twisted mind to say that the unborn deserve to die is beyond all understanding.

42 posted on 01/29/2006 9:04:48 PM PST by rzeznikj at stout (This is a darkroom. Keep the door closed or you'll let all the dark out...)
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To: cgk

Thanks for the ping!


43 posted on 01/29/2006 9:25:13 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: rzeznikj at stout
So women can choose to "abort" an unborn baby, and this is legal, and my doctor can't kill me whenever I ask? Well, mister, I'm tired of this sexist double standard. It's my body, and if I want to die, then I should have the right to die by any means possible.

As of today, I'm starting a petition for the right to die. Whose on board?
44 posted on 01/29/2006 9:49:09 PM PST by Lochlainnach (Rifle man's stalkin the sick and lame; preacher man seeks the same, who gets there 1st is uncertain)
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To: wagglebee
I love the feminist argument that a woman has a right to choose what to do with her own body. They are slippery sliding that slope into the teens now and who knows where it will end.

So I'd like to ask them - if the fetus is a female, then doesn't that baby have a right to decide what to do with her own body?

45 posted on 01/29/2006 10:18:23 PM PST by 3catsanadog (When anything goes, everything does.)
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To: cgk; All
Here is the Stealth Bomber flying under the Pro-Death side's radar:

Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND)
Bringing Good Things to Life (ULTRASOUND) · Citizen magazine ^ | June 2003 | Abortion Quotes

Watch GE 3D-4D new Ultrasound Commercial

Fetuses Can Hear Ultrasound Examinations

New Ultrasound Shows 3-D 'Fetal Portrait

Technology forces us to see that abortions end lives

10 FALLACIES IN THE ABORTION DEBATE

12 WEEK OLD BABY WALKS IN THE WOMB!

"Studies show that if women can actually see the baby through an ultrasound, they are more likely to carry them to term," she said.

The Womb as Photo Studio States May Ban Abortion If Roe Overturned

Unborn baby introduces comparison of candidates for President

Partial Birth Abortion Ban Court Transcripts

Foetuses [Fetuses] 'may be conscious long before abortion limit'

ultrasound Technology gives unborn fetus a 3-D image

Crisis Pregnancy Centers Find Success in Medical Model

The most powerful smiles in the world

46 posted on 01/29/2006 11:54:56 PM PST by backhoe
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To: socialismisinsidious

Technically, there are no substantive cases, even for the mother's life. The baby can be born via C-section without general anesthesia and also without pain to the mother. Even for the mother with heart disease, they put them in bed and keep them off their feet until they come to the point that the child is fully viable. Rape, nor incest, is any reason for abortion as there are other ways to deal with this. While I would be more lenient with these cases, these children can be given up for adoption and the adoptive parents pay all expenses for the pre-natal care. This is the usual, anyway. Just over 1% of all abortions are performed for rape, incest, or mother's life being threatened. So, this is not a big factor. It has become the most convenient form of birth control available.


47 posted on 01/30/2006 2:35:35 AM PST by Shery (S. H. in APOland)
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To: anonymoussierra
Eto fore humanity thinks they can outrun His Majesty of Majesty, infore He will outrun them.

Amen to this, and to your Entire Excellent Post, Dear Sister!

They kill their little body, infore their souls lives, eto in Holy Holy of Holy Throne of His Majesty they cry out, eto fore vengeance will be giving with full justice of His Majesty.

Amen, and Thanksgiving to the Lord our King, that He Himself is Comforting these Little Ones Before His Holy Throne. He is their Savior and their Life, and will Hold them Close in His Arms of Love Forever.

But whoso shall Offend one of these Little Ones which Believe in me, it were Better for him that a Millstone were Hanged about his Neck, and that he were Drowned in the Depth of the Sea. (Matt.18)

48 posted on 01/30/2006 8:57:10 AM PST by Kitty Mittens
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To: Kitty Mittens; anonymoussierra
"Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," saith the Lord (Deut. 32:34-36; Rom. 12:18-20; Heb. 10:29-31).

"Justice without mercy will be shown the one who is without mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment" (James 2:12-14).

"Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven" (Luke 6:37).

"Has no one condemned you?" Jesus asked the adulteress in John 8, and then declared, "neither do I condemn you."

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life" (John 3:16).

"Christ died to save sinners" (Rom. 5).

"He came to save the lost" (Luke 19:10; 1 Tim. 1:15).

Abortion is murder. Murder is a sin. Murder-by-abortion is one sin which Jesus died on the cross for. Those murderers who come to Him by faith, believe in His death and resurrection, His atonement for that sin (and all sin, save one) are cleansed, redeemed, justified, and declared "righteous."

The stripes I deserved for aborting my own child fell on Jesus. The sin I committed came under God's judgment onto Christ Jesus at the cross. By His stripes I am healed. Every sin a man can commit has been covered by the blood of Jesus, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world (except one sin which is not forgivable, see Mark 3:29).

The apostle Paul was a murderer, and so were David and Moses. All these were reconciled to God and cleansed of their sins. They became New Creations.

Matthew 18 in context speaks of "little-ones-who-believe-in-Me" (See Matthew Henry's commentary). A baby in the womb cannot believe and cannot be made to stumble. A "little one" in Christ, however, a Newbie in the Faith, can be made to stumble, when confronted by a lie of the evil one which declares untruthfully that there are some sins that are worse than others--"God grades on a curve!" Satan says.

We will be judged for every careless word we have spoken (Matt. 12:35-37). We must guard our mouths very carefully (James 3).

Women who are in a crisis pregnancy need mercy, not judgment. God has shown us what He requires: "Act justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with God" (Micah 6:8). Women (and men) who have made the decision to abort a child or children may or may not some day be convicted by God's Holy Spirit--conviction is the job description of the Holy Spirit. He may speak through a member of Christ's Body. Amen! He speaks the truth in love, to lead the humble to Christ.

I speak as a woman who has murdered her own child by abortion and later received the conviction of that sin and the free offer of grace found in Christ's Sacrifice at the cross. I speak on behalf of those women (or men) who may be lurking over this thread, that they will know that there is forgiveness even for the sin of murder which is called abortion.

I did not escape the consequences of my action of abortion--I am to this day infertile and childless. Others have lost their lives. Some experience no physical side effects whatsoever. By God's grace I was spared to live and 10 years after the murder of my child came to Jesus Christ, the Savior, my Redeemer. He set me free of the eternal consequences for that sin and every sin, and He walks with me through the temporal consequences I currently face here on earth. He is my Refuge, my Friend, my Counselor, my very Life. His mercy may someday grant me a child, even a pregnancy if He so wills. I have heard such testimonies!

O Come to Jesus, I say to all! He will in no way cast you out! You are precious to Him and He's seeking You!

"I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life."
The Words of Jesus, John 5:24

It was God's Love that sent Jesus Christ to us. It was God's Justice that nailed Him to the tree.

I work in crisis pregnancy ministry to preach this Gospel.

I post this in love, and pray that it will be received in the spirit in which it is sent.

49 posted on 01/30/2006 11:55:58 AM PST by .30Carbine (The one who is forgiven much, loves much.)
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To: backhoe
Thank you for all those links, backhoe!

Indeed, ultrasound has shown the truth of the baby hidden in the womb to many women who had believed the lie that "it's just tissue." By the kindness and mercy of Christ demonstrated through His workers on the harvest field of the CPC ministry many women are coming not only to choose life for thier children, but to receive for themselves The Life, Jesus Christ.

Lord, raise up more workers!

50 posted on 01/30/2006 12:02:32 PM PST by .30Carbine (The one who is forgiven much, loves much.)
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To: sandyeggo
I am disgusted by that website...they offer abortions 20-24 weeks! You should be able to feel the baby kicking! What kind of sick person would do that???

I'm sickened by the idea of an abortion at all (being 9 weeks pregnant myself), but I don't know how a woman could live with herself after murdering a child she felt moving only a few hours before.

I am appalled beyond words, to say the least.

51 posted on 01/30/2006 12:09:42 PM PST by arizonarachel
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To: RobFromGa
Can we pass a law making it illegal to have an abortion after the first trimester?

Why allow it in the first trimester?

52 posted on 01/30/2006 12:13:55 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: MEGoody

I think it would be a good first step towards changing minds on the subject and it will take some more time to get to a total ban.


53 posted on 01/30/2006 12:18:54 PM PST by RobFromGa (Polls are for people who can't think for themselves.)
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To: Trillian

Hopefully, your nephew has learned a lesson. You sleep around with women who are willing to lay on their backs for you without benefit of marriage, don't expect the quality of those women to be very high.


54 posted on 01/30/2006 12:19:13 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: wagglebee

I read an article in my local paper from an older woman who wrote of a classmate in college who had recieved an illegal abortion and died. She said she was a life long Demo. and was pro-choice. She said she was too old to have an abortion and looked to the younger generation to fight the 'good' fight. Not once in the article did she make reference to the fact there were '2' deaths that day. SAD!


55 posted on 01/30/2006 12:42:43 PM PST by wolfcreek
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To: .30Carbine

Thanks for looking.


56 posted on 01/30/2006 1:16:26 PM PST by backhoe (The Silence of the TOMs ( Tired Old Media... ))
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To: arizonarachel
You may be interested in Dr. Bernard Nathanson's testimony, The Hand of God: A Journey from Death to Life by the Abortion Doctor Who Changed His Mind.

The only explanation of these things is found in Scripture:
We are utterly dead until Christ Who Is the Way, the Truth, and the Life, comes by grace through faith.

To God be the Glory. Amen.

57 posted on 01/30/2006 1:17:42 PM PST by .30Carbine (Jesus is the Truth)
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To: backhoe

Thanks just for being YOU!


58 posted on 01/30/2006 1:18:10 PM PST by .30Carbine (Jesus is the Truth)
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To: wolfcreek

You'll notice that it is almost impossible to find any statistics about how many women have died as a result of "legal" abortion, and this doesn't even take into account the subsequent suicides. The left goes on and on about the "dangers" of "back alley" abortions with "coathangers" but fails to realize that the decline in deaths from abortion was totally due to advances antibiotics.

The left is totally unwilling to even discuss the fact that nearly 50 million babies have been slaughtered. Statistically, about half of these babies would have been female, and many of them would have been mothers by now. It becomes almost incalculable to determine how many lives have actually been lost. Whenever some leftist starts telling me how Social Security needs to be fixed because there are going to be more retired people than workers in a few years, I always point out that this would never have been the case if the abortion holocaust hadn't occurred.


59 posted on 01/30/2006 1:19:25 PM PST by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: wagglebee

If Democraps could find a way to make sure that every fetus would vote for them, abortion would be illegal in the twinkling of an eye.


60 posted on 01/30/2006 1:20:37 PM PST by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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