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Iranian Alert - April 9, 2006 - Former Int. Chief: Israel can't destroy Iran's nukes
Regime Change Iran ^ | 4/9/06 | freedom44

Posted on 04/09/2006 3:17:23 PM PDT by freedom44


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WASHINGTON [MENL] -- Israel's military was said to be unable to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities.

A former leading U.S. intelligence chief said Israel does not have sufficient assets or support for a major attack required to destroy Iran's nuclear weapons program. The intelligence chief cited the absence of Israeli aircraft carriers and the need for warplanes to enter the air space of Arab rivals.

"The United States is the only country in the world that has capability of carrying out the estimated thousand strike sorties needed to destroy the Iran's nuclear program," [Ret.] Col. Patrick Lang, director of the Middle East section of the Defense Intelligence Agency, said. "The objective has to be not to destroy the program, but to set it back a desired number of years."

Lang told a March 23 seminar at the Washington-based Nixon Center that Israel's military could not sustain an air campaign against Iran. He cited the more than 1,500 kilometers from Israel to Iran as well as a shortage of Israeli combat aircraft.
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1 posted on 04/09/2006 3:17:28 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44

If we bomb Iran, I'm going to be very disappointed if Israeli jets don't join in. Iran is a threat to the US, but a far greater threat to Israel. Israel developed F-15I and F-16I long-range fighter bombers specifically to have an Iran attack capability. They need to join in. I don't have a problem with us helping Israel out, but they shouldn't just be twiddling their thumbs while we undergo the risks.


2 posted on 04/09/2006 3:21:51 PM PDT by Altair333 (Please no more 'Bush's fault' posts- the joke is incredibly old)
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To: freedom44

"The objective has to be not to destroy the program, but to set it back a desired number of years."

A thousand would suit me just fine~!


3 posted on 04/09/2006 3:23:51 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: freedom44

This assumes conventional attack with bombers, and not with ballistic rockets [non-conventional].


4 posted on 04/09/2006 3:27:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: freedom44
It's about time to Git-R-Done!

Be Ever Vigilant!


5 posted on 04/09/2006 3:27:44 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Altair333
He cited the more than 1,500 kilometers from Israel to Iran as well as a shortage of Israeli combat aircraft.

How about cruise missiles? Does Israel have cruise missiles and how far can they travel?
6 posted on 04/09/2006 3:28:00 PM PDT by adorno
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To: freedom44

Sorry Chief!!! Bad Form!!!! Never tell the Isreali's that they can't do something; that's just the time that they show you that they've figured out a way to do just what you said they couldn't do and do it well.


7 posted on 04/09/2006 3:28:09 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: freedom44

They have uranium mines in country? I wonder why the big drive to buy in Africa?

8 posted on 04/09/2006 3:34:15 PM PDT by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: freedom44

All good. Can we just bomb them now. Please.


9 posted on 04/09/2006 3:36:21 PM PDT by tdewey10 (It's time for the party to return to the principles of President Reagan.)
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To: SandRat

"Never tell the Isreali's that they can't do something; that's just the time that they show you that they've figured out a way to do just what you said they couldn't do and do it well."

Ahem. Perhaps thats the point...


10 posted on 04/09/2006 3:39:48 PM PDT by Pete from Shawnee Mission
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To: Altair333
If we bomb Iran, I'm going to be very disappointed if Israeli jets don't join in

Israel carried the burden itself when it destroyed Iraq's nuclear bomb program in the 80's.

If we don't get absolutely everything, (and how can we with it all dispersed and hidden?) then we will surely face retaliation.

The U.S. can sustain a nuke or two and still survive. Israel can't.

Look at Israel on a map. It won't take more than one nuke, two at the most, to pretty much wipe them out.

Because Israel can't to this strike alone, there is no good tactical reason for them to be involved at all this time around. And there are good political reasons not to involve Israel, just like we kept them out of Gulf War I despite their being the recipient of scud attacks from Saddam.

Having Israel in the mix just muddies the waters vis a vis stirring religious furor in the Islamic world. So I disagree with your initial reaction of possible disappointment if they don't join in.

11 posted on 04/09/2006 3:48:53 PM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: freedom44
One sorty on Mahmood Ahmadinejad and the Mullahs = game over.

Save the country's infrastructure for the next generation of pro-Western Iranians, eliminate the Islamo-facists at the top instead.

12 posted on 04/09/2006 3:59:10 PM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Altair333
but they shouldn't just be twiddling their thumbs while we undergo the risks.

While I agree Israel should be helping, it would create other problems. The Arab countries would never allow an attack, which involved Israel. Not that we should care what those countries think.

13 posted on 04/09/2006 4:50:58 PM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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To: freedom44

But the Clinton days are over, and Lang is clueless. Israel has prepared enough combat aircraft to make the round trip (and most likely refueling plans for more) and has purchased hundreds of penetrators from us for exactly that mission.


14 posted on 04/09/2006 4:56:17 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --pre-road map President Bush)
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To: freedom44

Isreal must participate in putting down Iran's military, because:

* Iran threatened to wipe Israel off of the map while building a nuclear weapons program. That behavior is best punished and later prevented by the humiliation of being defeated by Israel.

* Israel has spent enormous sums of revenues for the hardware to do the job: F-16Is fitted for the trip, at least 500 bunker busters and more. Such great ammo shouldn't be wasted by storage rot.

But IMO, we in the USA should do much to help, because it would be a shame for such a tiny nation as Israel to go alone to put down an enemy that also threatens Europe and the USA (see Iran's threats and development of the 3,500-mile Shahab-6).


15 posted on 04/09/2006 5:10:26 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists." --pre-road map President Bush)
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To: familyop

If Iran's nuclear development treatens the world, we should ask China, Russia and Pakistan to be first involved as their closest neighbors but maybe they aren't as afraid as the far way USA is.


16 posted on 04/09/2006 5:19:34 PM PDT by ex-snook (John 17 - So that they may be one just as we are one.)
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To: freedom44

If it were a matter of hitting a single plant, as it was years ago with Iraq's nuclear project, Israel might have a shot of carrying this off.

But it isn't. Its a matter of hitting multiple targets multiple times at an enormous distance from Israel. Israel isn't the one with the fleet sitting off Iran's coast, Israel isn't the one with airbases up and down the Persian Gulf, we are.

The primary reason for wanting Israel to do it is so that they will take the blame. They would take the political hit within their own system, the diplomatic hit from all the decent countries of the world trying to toady up to the arab countries, and they might take the military hit when Iran retaliates.

Except that everyone will know that Israel didn't do it alone, and in radical muslim eyes the US and Israel are one. Iran will respond by attacking both Israel and the US, you can count on it. They will heat things up for us in Iraq, and they will almost certainly try to slip a nuke into New York Harbor as well as another one into Tel Aviv. If not one they made themselves, then one they purchased in Belarus or North Korea. Mind you, this is not an argument against our attack, since Iran fully intends to do this whether we do or don't attack.

When we do this, our guys in Iraq will come under fierce attack by Iran's militias in the region, and its entirely possible they will send in regular Iranian military dressed as militia. We will have a hot war on our hands, and this is whether we do it, or Israel does it, or whether we both do it together.

So if and when we do this thing, we had better have backup plans on top of backup plans, because we are moving from our present state of undeclared war with Iran into a full scale war, declared or not, unto death, or at least unto its cataclysmic final logical outcome.

When we pull the trigger we had better be ready for what follows.


17 posted on 04/09/2006 6:09:56 PM PDT by marron
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To: ex-snook
ex-snook wrote:
"If Iran's nuclear development treatens the world, we should ask China, Russia and Pakistan to be first involved as their closest neighbors but maybe they aren't as afraid as the far way USA is."


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18 posted on 04/09/2006 6:29:45 PM PDT by familyop (Essayons!)
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To: marron

Here here,

Spot on. Just got back from the "region" and we can handle these ass-clowns. There will be retribution, however, from the Iranians. The military can take it, can the civilians?


19 posted on 04/09/2006 7:46:57 PM PDT by church16 (“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence...")
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To: Pan_Yans Wife; fat city; freedom44; Tamsey; Grampa Dave; PhiKapMom; Hinoki Cypress; ...
Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin”

20 posted on 04/09/2006 8:18:41 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: freedom44

Okay, no problem. We take out the nukes and let the Israelis decapitate the regime.


21 posted on 04/09/2006 8:25:24 PM PDT by RichInOC (KATZ: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN!! DESTRUCTION ARE ON THE WAY TO YOU. HA HA HA HA....)
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To: Altair333

Israel joing in would only make things worse


22 posted on 04/09/2006 8:29:37 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: adorno

Cruise missles cant do the job


23 posted on 04/09/2006 8:30:04 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: ozoneliar; freedom44; familyop

"While I agree Israel should be helping, it would create other problems. The Arab countries would never allow an attack, which involved Israel. Not that we should care what those countries think."

IMHO, I don't believe the Arab countries would do a d*** thing. Sure, they'll congregate in the streets and whine and burn effigies of Bush and chant "death to Israel" like the bunch of idiots they are, but they are too afraid of Israel and wouldn't want to get nailed by them too. Israel could not only destroy Iran's nukes, but Iran as well if they wanted along with the entire region. Israel is way more advanced now than they were in the 6 days war, and there's a reason it was called the 6 days war. That was how long it took for Israel to clean house.


24 posted on 04/09/2006 8:40:15 PM PDT by takeemout (God Bless Jesse Helms!)
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To: patriciaruth
"stirring religious furor in the Islamic world". you mean it hasn't been stirred yet? Come on! Boy, you have a lot to learn about Muslims. It doesn't matter weather Israel is in or out of the fight. The very fact that Israel exists is reason enough for a Muslims to try to "wipe it off the map".

Damn right Israel should help. We built their military, so use it.
25 posted on 04/09/2006 8:55:46 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: familyop

"we in the USA should do much to help", you mean we don't do much? Give me a break. Without the US there would be no Israel. Look at the BILLIONS that we send there. They purchase our military equipment with our money. Please. They better do much for us and be involved.


26 posted on 04/09/2006 9:00:03 PM PDT by SQUID
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To: SQUID

"So let it be written; so let it be done!"


27 posted on 04/10/2006 12:04:04 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: SQUID

If this confrontation with Iran is a fight to the death scenario as projected on another thread (title Iran's Nukes) which I will ping you to, then yes, I agree that we have to throw everything in the air, land and sea that we can get a hold of, including, of course, Israel's arsenal in all its forms, as they have the most to lose.

However, if this is just a preemptive surgical strike, with a reasonable chance of succeeding, and some other Middle Eastern countries are going to give us overflight and landing rights (because Iran scares the bejeezus out of them, too), but those countries will only help on the condition that Israel not be allowed to bomb a Muslim country....then...

keeping Israel out of the fight so the other Muslim countries who are in the fight don't offend their Muslim citizens (i.e. stirring furor in the average idiot who watches al Jazeera) may make sense.

This is a difficult and very dangerous chess game, and none of the options should be off the table as the moves are thought through.

in my opinion.


28 posted on 04/10/2006 4:06:41 AM PDT by patriciaruth (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1562436/posts)
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To: freedom44
To read today’s thread click here.

Join Us At Today's Iranian Alert Thread – The Most Underreported Story Of The Year!

"If you want on or off this Iran ping list, Freepmail DoctorZin”

29 posted on 04/10/2006 8:44:54 PM PDT by DoctorZIn (Until they are Free, "We shall all be Iranians!")
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To: takeemout

People tend to underestimate the power that Israel represents. I couldn't agree more with your opinion. I think that it would serve us all well to remember that according to the Bible, Israel and it's people are the "chosen people" of God. It's amazing to me that the muslims call the US and others "infidels"....who is really the infidel?


30 posted on 04/11/2006 5:00:11 AM PDT by conservchick (Heartfelt prayers for Jesse!)
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To: freedom44

Thanks to the late Jim Kelly for this classic:

http://home.comcast.net/~jackhubing/pogo2.gif


31 posted on 04/11/2006 11:08:24 AM PDT by VRWC_PA
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To: freedom44
Oopps, forgot how to post a picture. Try again.

Thanks to the late Jim Kelly


32 posted on 04/11/2006 11:28:38 AM PDT by VRWC_PA
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