From gay to God

The Nation Newspaper (Barbados) ^ | April 30, 2006 | Melissa Wickham

[gidget7]

This guy and his "church" are anything but "a Christian organization" Note they can't even spell it right! (organiZation dufus!").

nuff said.

Do they really believe that saying this enough will get them to God? They can't possibly! Maybe they believe other Christians will warm up to their ideals, but I can't imagine they don't know the truth!

Jesus is the only way to God. NOT mocking him.

[gidget7]

Oh my, strike that last post! I did something I never do, neglected to read the whole article. My most heartfelt apologies!

[The Ghost of FReepers Past]

I think the pastor and everyone else should preach/teach/speak the truth about homosexuality, that it is condemned by God. It's the hypersensitivity to all the various emotions of those caught up in the sin that I see as unnecessary. And the obsession over professing "love" for homosexuals (ungodly love that helps hide and protect sin), which actually gets in the way of proclaiming the truth. Love them with the gospel and the truth about their sin. There is a trend these days to condemn those who speak the truth and exalt those who go soft on sin, overly identifying with the emotional excuses the sinner gives. That's not love. It's what you call being an accomplice. Or to please the psychobabblers, an enabler.

[dmanLA]

Praise the Lord...

[little jeremiah]

In case you haven't seen this.

[little jeremiah]

Here are three articles with some info, at least one of the FR links (and maybe both) have more info down the thread as well. Scripter is the man when it comes to knowing all, I haven't seen him lately as he is very busy. Maybe he'll notice this and toss something our way!

http://www.narth.com/docs/pieces.html
How Might Homosexuality Develop?
Putting the Pieces Together


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1420619/posts
Root Causes, Homosexual Consequences


http://www.drthrockmorton.com/idoexist.asp

You are right, a large majority of homosexuals were molested when either pre-pubescent children or young adolescents.

[SoulMan]

lj,

Thanks for the ping. Great article, but once again the comments are disturbing to me, because so many people miss the point on this issue. Below is one thing the author wrote that is EXACTLY on target and should be read a thousand times over by anyone with an interest in Homosexual recovery. Read it a thousand times over, people! Science and faith meet at last!

Soul man

"A lot of things you do in the gay lifestyle are habitual. I had to literally 'unlearn' it. God re-oriented me. You have sexual orientation, sexual disorientation, and sexual re-orientation where God says this is the way you should go. That's the path I follow."

[little jeremiah]

Thanks for picking that statement out. I noticed it and thought about its relevance in other areas of life as well.

By repetition, habits are formed. Desires are reinforced, tastes are developed. How many people who smoke cigarettes really liked the first one (or first pack)? How about alcohol? Many vices (I consider smoking and drinking vices, pick your own habits here) have to be learned and you almost have to "force" yourself in the beginning.

Habits create subtle (and maybe not so subtle) "grooves" in the brain. Brains actually change depending on what we do. We remember past pleasures, shames, guilts, fears, emotional reactions, and they mold future choices.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure; but if we want a cure badly enough, we'll be willing to do what it takes to make the cure. I've been around the block (more than once) and have unlearned a great many vices and bad habits. We can become new. Our hearts and minds can change, and we can become the servants God wants us to be. It's not that we become something different, it's becoming more who we really are.

[Search4Truth]

Psalms 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Galatians 3:24 Therefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[I got the rope]

Excellent!

Very appropriate verses. This is why I love FR. The knowledge here is some much greater than even my own Sunday school class. Sometimes when I speak about the law (Exodus 20:1-17)to others they give me a stupid blank look.

What kind of Christian's are we if we don't even know God's commandments?

[I got the rope]

BTTT.

[Search4Truth]

Hell's Best Kept Secret

This teaching was a revelation to me. It is the single most important teaching of my Christian life. Watch it. I beg of you.

[mjwise]

I'm not convinced it was a man (i.e. an adult). From the article: (bold emphasis mine)

There was no father figure around and, as a boy, he was molested by a male in his church. The molestation started when he was 13 years old and continued until he was 17.

But from the time Foster was 11 years of age, he was attracted to other boys. He didn't have a name for the strange feelings he was experiencing, but he knew he was different from other boys.

Sounds like it was consensual (as much as it can be, at least) activity with another teen probably around his age, especially since he claims the attraction predated the supposed molestation. It happens.

[Uriah_lost]

My evidence is purely anecdotal but extensive. I worked in the airline industry(a very gay heavy industry) for some years and early molestation was the one common thread between all the gay men I got to know in my time there.

[RoadTest]

This is beautiful sanity appearing on a confused and sick scene.

[SoulMan]

Our hearts and minds can change, and we can become the servants God wants us to be. It's not that we become something different, it's becoming more who we really are.

lj,

Here is my well-thought-out analysis and commentary on your post.

You are ONE COOL DUDE!

SoulMan

[little jeremiah]

I am a tiny soul who would be entirely lost and wretched without the mercy of God that is available to every one of us. The Prodigal Son is my favorite story in the Bible. It is a story of my life, only I was worse.

[Skooz]

bump for later

[HiTech RedNeck]

On the other hand there is something to be said about judging by FRUITS. If the rock ribs like you are managing to get almost nobody out of gayness but the "softies" are leading a true "exodus," then something has to be rethought about the way the rock ribs are parsing the Bible.