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Republican Right Abandoning Bush
MSNBC ^ | May 5, 2006 | AP

Posted on 05/06/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by wotan

WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

(Excerpt) Read more at msnbc.msn.com ...


TOPICS: Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: ayres; bush; bushbots; bushburnedthebase; bushisfraud; damnstraight; dramaqueens; ipsos; nevervotingrinoagain; poll; takemyballandgohome; term2; thanktherinos
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To: Badray
What has Senor Bush done to undo anything that Clinton did?

Oh, I don't know ... does signing a [b]BAN[/b] on partial birth abortion (repeatedly vetoed by Clinton, iirc) count?

And not only that, with "undoing" Reagan's appointment of O'Connor with Alito, there might just be a chance of it sticking.

Or maybe partial birth abortion doesn't matter to you as an issue ...
381 posted on 05/06/2006 3:47:13 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: wmileo

Senator Rick Santorum: http://www.politics1.com/pa.htm


382 posted on 05/06/2006 3:49:08 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: Badray

that isnt the reason he didnt win the nomination...he wasnt torpedoed, there was no conspiracy against him


383 posted on 05/06/2006 3:53:12 PM PDT by georgia2006
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To: lonestar
The problem is they all talk the talk during the elections but very very few walk the walk once elected. I suppose the same would happen in a new party. I am all for voting out the rino's but I am tired of being burnt and I have only voted twice now.
384 posted on 05/06/2006 3:55:47 PM PDT by spikeytx86 (Pray for Democrats for they have been brainwashed by there fruity little club.)
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To: wvobiwan

No, W warned you. His view has been consistent since day 1. He said he favored guest workers since he was governor of Texas and repeted it frequently on the campaign trail in 2000.

If you now find that unacceptable, that's your problem, not his.



385 posted on 05/06/2006 3:58:12 PM PDT by zbigreddogz
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To: Badray
"Alan Keyes, a solid conservative did run. Unfortunately for everyone, he didn't get through the primary"

This is the problem with the Two party system. The GOP is almost as guilty as the Democrats in suppressing new ideas and keeping men of integrity out of the process. However, now is the time to put all of this squabbling aside and win in 06. The War on Terror and our very existence (American that is)is at stake. Do you want to see Crazy Nancy and Dingy Harry in power and a good man impeached when we didn't have the stomach as a nation to impeach and convict a bad one 8 years ago?
386 posted on 05/06/2006 3:58:59 PM PDT by wmileo
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To: tanknetter

I understand that power is necessary to advance principle, but I also understand that abused and squandered power does more harm than good.

As a conservative or more appropriately, a constitutionalist, I know that my rights don't come from government and even the absolute destruction of the Constitution does not effect my rights. It only means that I have to fight a little harder to exercise them.

In the short term, RINOs do more damage to our rights because the attack on them is more insidious and because they are 'our guys', they don't get the strict scrutiny that the 'other' team would for the same proposals. (please note my tagline.)

If I had my druthers, I'll take a divided government with a Dem president and a conservative Congress to blunt him or a true constitutionalist to blunt a 'moderate' or liberal Congress, but a divided and antagonistic government which produces a lot of gridlock in any form will do.

A weak congress and a RINO or Dem president spells disaster for the Republic.


387 posted on 05/06/2006 4:04:30 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: tanknetter

don't forget

two supreme court justices

codifying the fact the second amendment is an INDIVIDUAL right (contradicting the effort of leftists to create a fake collective rights BS)

and BIGGEST of all, he did not treat 9/11 as a "law enforcement issue" like bill "neutered" clinton.


388 posted on 05/06/2006 4:06:22 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: sinkspur

Another RINO hack heard from.

Actually, I'd like to ditch the RINOs and just have a party based on solidly constitutional principle. Don't worry. You'll not be invited to join.


389 posted on 05/06/2006 4:06:52 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: Badray

There are many reasons Alan didn't get through the primary. One of them being he never held elective office, which besides giving one great experience, also helps one become known among the voting populace.


390 posted on 05/06/2006 4:11:51 PM PDT by TAdams8591
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To: Straight Vermonter
--- I find it hard to imagine that anyone who describes themselves as conservative would give Bush a positive rating at this point. I'm right there with him on the WOT but he has been a disaster at home. ---

Disaster at home? The tax cuts dropped my marginal tax rate by 2% giving me another $1500.00 in my pocket. Not to mention the child credits of $500.00 more per child. In all, I have $3000.00 more in my pocket because of the tax cuts.

Those cuts have created record high federal revenues and record high corporate income taxes.

His two selections to the Supreme Court have been excellent and will be there for 20 years or more.

That, for me, has been a HUGE success domestically. No President can get everything done but what he has accomplished has been hugely successful. Economy firing on all cylinders. That's all I need to make my way through this great country - a healthy free enterprise system. Bush has delivered that to me.

Asking for anything more is just whining.

391 posted on 05/06/2006 4:14:25 PM PDT by avacado
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To: papertyger
It's not like Bush and the Republicans can't make a correction, you know. Just like with Miers, all he has to do seal the borders and all is forgiven

I agree with you. W's life does not have to be this difficult. Seal the borders. Wait for 6-12 months to get the influx of illegals down to a trickle, THEN start talking about what to do with the ones here. I'm against amnesty, but we could come up with something, I'm sure. However, NOT until the border situation is secured.

Problem is, I don't think GW believes that there is an actual problem at the border. He thinks these people flooding in is just dandy. And that means, he is not changing his mind.

392 posted on 05/06/2006 4:17:25 PM PDT by LibertarianLiz
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To: Badray
If I had my druthers, I'll take a divided government with a Dem president and a conservative Congress to blunt him or a true constitutionalist to blunt a 'moderate' or liberal Congress, but a divided and antagonistic government which produces a lot of gridlock in any form will do.

Which kinda brings us back to my main point: I assume that you'd think a Conservative/Constitutionalist Judiciary (and more specifically, a Supreme Court) is crucial (and, indeed the history of the SCOTUS from Earl Warren forward seems to bear this out). How can this be achieved under either of the scenarios you propose?
393 posted on 05/06/2006 4:18:01 PM PDT by tanknetter
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To: avacado

I think the MSM is trying to correlate "wish did better" with not vote for republican.

The deep honest truth is I would vote for GWBush over ANY of the Rinos (mccain, rudy, whitless, etc) or ANY democrat (period) even with my disagreements.


394 posted on 05/06/2006 4:18:05 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

Numbers game?

Do you know that when the GOP goes limp, people just don't run to the 3rd parties, but they drop out altogether? The reason is that many good people just cannot bring themselves to vote for the lesser evil because it is still evil.

A party based on sound, solid, constitutional principles will get a groundswell of support. No pandering. No promises of government goodies. No bastardization of the Constitution. Just advocates of plain, limited government paid for with low and fair taxes.

I know that I am speaking a language that is foreign to those addicted to all these 'freebies' and abuses, but there are millions upon millions to whom these words are like manna from heaven. All they are waiting for is a chance to vote for someone like that who won't succumb to Potomac Fever. The GOP just doesn't fit that bill.

Principle and integrity are winners when ever there are tried. www.gopwing.com


395 posted on 05/06/2006 4:20:24 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: tanknetter

For most of Reagan's two terms, he had to deal with an overwhelmingly Democrat Congress. His tax cuts doubled revenue to the Treasury, but Dem spent $1.83 for every dollar that Reagan's cuts brought in.

A lot of Reagan's spending was to rebuild the military and to win the Cold War without firing a shot. Peace through strength and outspending the commie bastards worked to the world a safer and better place.

Reagan was not perfect. His amnesty was one of the most egregious policies, but it should have served as a warning not to do it again. Sadly Senor Jorge Arbusto wants to emulate Reagan's biggest downfalls, but not his greatest successes.


396 posted on 05/06/2006 4:25:23 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: wotan
OR:

Bush Abandoning Republican Right?

397 posted on 05/06/2006 4:26:56 PM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: reformedliberal
I think it was about the same as w/Specter....DeWine got 74% and Pierce, the conservative, got 14%, so the RINO won against the conservative, again.

If you are referring to the numbers in the Toomey v Specter race being the same as you cite above, you are wrong.

Out of a million votes cast, Specter won by a swing of 6,000 votes. The week before the primary election, both Santorum and Senor Bush came to PA to tell Republicans that Bush and the GOP really NEEDED Arlen Specter because he was always 'with us' when we needed him.

It was total BS, but enough people bought it to cost Toomey the victory.

398 posted on 05/06/2006 4:31:06 PM PDT by Badray (Dems = pneumonia. RINOs = flu. Both can kill, but many folks underestimate the threat from the flu.)
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To: avacado
Asking for anything more is just whining.

It doesn't bother you that he and the GOP congress spend faster than the Clinton administration? I like my tax cuts too but just imagine where this country would be if he had even limited spending growth to the rate of inflation much less cutting spending. See the chart in post #136.

399 posted on 05/06/2006 4:33:09 PM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: sgtbono2002
It seems that there is consensus above stating that Bush is doing "great on the WOT" but "lousy at home". I agree except that I would say that concerning the "WOT" Bush needs to instruct his generals to become more aggressive with the enemy. I say take the fight to them with more vigor and more brutality. That's what it will take to defeat these people. Our enemy only respects those who demonstrate strength and a certain amount of brutality. They perceive compassion and negotiation as weakness. About the illegal immigration problem in the U.S.; Bush has "really" got this wrong and I agree with the above that it will cost the Republicans big time at the next election if his present view prevails. I for one am thinking about "cutting off my nose to spite my face" and sit the next election out. Save your admonisments and associated crap for another poster, don't want to hear it because if you say it you don't get it.
400 posted on 05/06/2006 4:35:46 PM PDT by snoringbear
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