Skip to comments.Church mulls 'phrasing' change for Holy Trinity
Posted on 06/20/2006 4:35:44 AM PDT by pageonetoo
BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- At some Presbyterian churches the Holy Trinity -- "Father, Son and Holy Spirit" -- will be out. "Mother, Child and Womb" is in.
Delegates to the national assembly of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) voted yesterday to "receive" a policy paper on sex-inclusive language for the Trinity, a step short of approving it. Church officials are enabled to propose "experimental liturgies" with "alternative phrasings" for the Trinity, but congregations won't be required to use them.
Besides "Mother, Child and Womb" and "Rock, Redeemer, Friend," options include:
"Lover, Beloved, Love"
"Creator, Savior, Sanctifier"
"King of Glory, Prince of Peace, Spirit of Love"
"This does not alter the church's theological position, but provides an educational resource to enhance the spiritual life of our membership," legislative committee chairman Nancy Olthoff, an Iowa laywoman, said during yesterday's debate on the changes.
The assembly narrowly defeated a conservative bid to send the paper back for further study, which would have killed it.
A panel that worked on the issue since 2000 said the classical language for the Trinity still should be used, but Presbyterians should seek "fresh ways to speak of the mystery of the triune God" to "expand the church's vocabulary of praise and wonder."..
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"Mother, Child and Womb"
What is it with those people?
Up is down, left is right, day is night, wrong is right... I think you're right about priestesses and homo-sodomites.
Paper, rock, scissors!
Churches are leaving God in droves (again).
"My dad is a retired Episcopal Priest, and I was raised accordingly. I ended up in the AG"
*eyes, doing 360s in my head*
It's amazing; I'm a Presbyterian, but PCA (Presbyterian Church in America) which is still conservative and faithful to God and His Word.
It just amazes me that there is any wonder as to why there are close to 50,000 members leaving the PCUSA every year!
PCUSA=Presbyterian Church, United States Apostate!
It is difficult enough to understand the Holy Trinity. What educational value does re-naming it have?
Our Christian Churches in every sect needs some stronger leadership. The week-kneed leaders of our faith are patsies that seek diversity and inclusion via relaxing the teachings of the church, the teachings of Christ.
see also AP article of the same
Frog in the boiling water theory. Sociaty has been slowly penetrated and corrupted by them for the past 15-20 years. I've seen it coming when the liberal courts rule in their favor as a 'protected class' against normal society.
I can't understand why it is that SOME people think that they have to change things like this... Unless it's because they don't fit in, and rather than joining a different "sect" or even coming up with their own, they need to "reshape" the beliefs of millions of people to fit their own wishes.
mother=single unwed mother who does not need any man to raise a child
Child= fatherless child who is better off without the father
Womb= not a penis, because men are eeeeeevil.
Well, I left church, but not God.
Amen! It's only Christians who are to blame when this kind of thing is happening to so many Christian denominations. We get the government, schools & churches we deserve.
feminist lesbians who failed to make wica mainstrean have decided to make christianity atheist.
I wish I could laugh, because that's funny.
I think the fact that they are trying to change OUR religious institutions, rather than creating their very own religion - shows that they have evil intent. Their purpose is to DESTROY - not to amend. Satan is laughing right now.
Peanut, Butter, & Jelly?
Crosby, Stills, & Nash?
Larry, Darrell, & Darrell?
Up, Chuck, & Die?
Basically any group (or non-group) of any three (more-or-less) objects, people, or ideas, that you can feel comfortable with, and that bring you inner peace. Because that's what it's all about, after all - inner peace.
OH!!! That's what it is! All this time I have been reading it dyslexically as CPUSA. I thought it was the Commies pretending like they got Religion.
With 50k leaving each year, it won't be long before very few are left.
This has been going on for the past 15-20 years, as liberal courts have legislated a *new society* for the 'protected' group of whiners.
I have been studying this phenomenon in the church for over a decade. It is being driven by a feminization of the churches in the USA that has encouraged female priestesses to create a Mother God in place of Father God as if it were simply a political process like ERA. In this they only have one major obstacle - The Holy Bible - and they are intent on rewriting it to suit their needs.
Clearly, as the feminist social revisionists advance, its effect is a full blown male orthodox retreat. It is time for real men and women in the church to understand that the love of God as Father is a tough love involving sin and repentance as a means to Grace. That is why "Father" is used. This new counterfeit is a tepid version of moral relativism and deserves to be spewed out of our mouths. It is time to stand up against this desecration.
Dewey, Cheatham, & Howe?
LOL - I done fergot about them fellers completely!
Nominalism in action?
How about "One potato, Two potato, Three"?
Sorry, AM, but I will not give credibility to the vileness, which is overtaking our Church! I will try to use a better choice of words, to describe these perverts, rather than refer to a hot coal!
What term is acceptable?
It's easier to hijack an existing organization, with its buildings and pension plans intact, than it is to start your own. Gary North's excelent history book With Crossed Fingers demonstrated how the largest, soundest, and most conservative Christian body in the USA -- the PCUSA -- was surrendered because the orthodox were too "nice" to have heresy trials.
Big Daddy, Little Daddy, and the spook.
I was thinking Larry, Moe and Curly.
Sarcasm doesn't always carry well in the written word, but I think yours did.
Manny, Moe, & Jack?
Larry, Moe, & Curly?
Huey, Dewey, & Louie?
Marshal, Will, & Holly?
Abraham, Martin, & John?
One Bourbon, One Scotch, & One Beer?
Nah, ya gotta think 'diversity' - it's One Little, Two Little, Three Little Indians...
I think you've nailed it - that is the plan. I think we are witnessing the end-game culmination of a long-term Gramscian strategy of infiltration, subversion, co-option and deconstruction.
It seems that determined leftists like Nancy Olthoff are determined to kill the Church and rebuild it in their pagan image. Perhaps the greatest threat to the early Church was the activity of the female-dominated orgiastic sects. Given the chance, women like Olthoff will have history repeat itself.
This is actually a rather interesting development. One of the writers of the book "Holy Blood, Holy Grail" (which is claimed to be a primary source for Dan Brown's "The Da Vinci Code") suggested that the Holy Grail that was claimed to have been used to catch Jesus' blood, is actually a reference to Mary Magdalene's womb and the baby she and Jesus supposedly created is the "blood".
Given the current level of hyperbole, hysteria and controversy surrounding "The Da Vinci Code", the Presbyterian Church make back away from this idea.
If they're not interested in how Jesus portrayed God, and the Paraclete, in the Scriptures, then they are just the newest branch of "The Church of What's Happening Now", and have declared themselves irrelevant to Christianity.
Sign up required; couldn't find my BUGMENOT notes.
"Because that's what it's all about, after all - inner peace."
LOL, I do believe that line of thinking could earn some fans (followers) over at DU!
AG- Assemblies of God?
"This does not alter the church's theological position".
Uhh, if you won't call it what the bible calls it, then you are altering the teaching of the scriptures.
It appears the Presbyterian Church is running off the cliff on the liberal end of the spectrum.
Actually, you had it right. They are Commies pretending to be religious.
The Holy Spirit is not a uterus. Not only is that a ridiculous description of the Trinity, but it comes pretty close to blasphemy, if you ask me.
How anti-christian of them. Fits nicely with their women bishops.