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Man Beaten To Death In Low-Security O.C. Jail (Pedophile beaten to death by 140 inmates)
Cbs2 LA News ^ | 10/06/06 | N/A

Posted on 10/06/2006 8:41:04 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Man Beaten To Death In Low-Security O.C. Jail

(CBS) SANTA ANA, Calif. A Mission Viejo man awaiting trial on suspicion of possessing child pornography for sale was beaten to death in a jail unit for low-security inmates, an Orange County sheriff's representative said Friday.

John Derek Chamberlain, 41, was "murdered by an inmate or inmates while in the shower" at the Theo Lacy jail in Orange, the department's Jim Amormino said.

Guards got a call of a "man down" about 6:30 p.m. Thursday, and Chamberlain was declared dead at a hospital about an hour later, Amormino said.

Investigators were interviewing some 140 inmates, he said.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dueprocess; howzaboutatrialfirst; murder; sickobitesthedust; vigilante
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I hope they will reduce the sentences of the inmates that took care of this subhuman insect.
1 posted on 10/06/2006 8:41:06 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

B U M P


2 posted on 10/06/2006 8:43:30 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (Our troops will send all of the worlds terrorists to hell in a handbasket with no virgins!)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
I hope they will reduce the sentences of the inmates that took care of this subhuman insect.

They should be executed. He was "awaiting trial" on "suspicion". In our system we are INNOCENT until proven guilty.

3 posted on 10/06/2006 8:43:45 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
Man [Child Porn Purveyor] Beaten To Death In Low-Security O.C. Jail
4 posted on 10/06/2006 8:46:01 PM PDT by null and void ("It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret."--Jackie Joyner-Kersee)
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To: montag813

He was there for a reason. 98% of those on trial are guilty. I'm good with those odds.


5 posted on 10/06/2006 8:46:11 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
Wait a second. He was "awaiting trial on suspicion of possessing child pornography for sale...". "Subhuman insect" he would have become after trial, when and if convicted and sentenced.
6 posted on 10/06/2006 8:47:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: null and void

DANG!

I searched, as i always do, and nothing came up!


7 posted on 10/06/2006 8:47:27 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
awaiting trial on suspicion of possessing child pornography for sale

Uh, "innocent until proven guilty" was still the law the last time I checked, friend. I detest kiddie porn and those who traffic in it, but until someone is proven guilty in a court of law (or pleads guilty), the law says he's innocent.

There was never a trial. This guy was murdered.

8 posted on 10/06/2006 8:49:00 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

....this subhuman insect.

He has become assimilated!


9 posted on 10/06/2006 8:49:08 PM PDT by DarthVader (Conservatives aren't always right , but Liberals are almost always wrong.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

The man was being tried on SUSPICION.

You are excusing the murder of a man that was merely accused.


10 posted on 10/06/2006 8:52:06 PM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

My Dad was surrounded by police in the San Fernando Valley and held in custody in the mid 70's on "suspicion" of robbing a bank. Turned out that the automobile he was driving fit the description of the auto involved in the incident and he was in the area where it occurred.
They let him go after apprehending the real criminals. I would have been without a Dad if someone would have just decided he was scum and shot him.
Your solution dissolves all rights of the accused. What if YOU were accused ... you would change your mind pretty damn quick.


11 posted on 10/06/2006 8:52:58 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Yeah. Happens to me all the time too.


12 posted on 10/06/2006 8:53:59 PM PDT by null and void ("It is better to look ahead and prepare than to look back and regret."--Jackie Joyner-Kersee)
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To: B-Chan

"There was never a trial."

Yes there was. It took place in the showers at the OC jail. Tried, convicted and executed. I'm drinking a nice glass of cab and rejoicing with a nice cigar.


13 posted on 10/06/2006 8:54:41 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Keep in mind that the GOP is "under suspicion" for harboring a representative who sent some questionable IMs. Sheesh. Anyone remember Janet Reno and Waco, Texas?


14 posted on 10/06/2006 8:55:01 PM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: antceecee

"you would change your mind pretty damn quick"


I might, but i'm not, so i won't.


15 posted on 10/06/2006 8:55:33 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better; montag813
I'm good with those odds.

Then you're living in the wrong country.

16 posted on 10/06/2006 8:56:23 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Then there is always 'poetic justice". May it happen to you.


17 posted on 10/06/2006 8:56:35 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Mamzelle
Not an analogous situation.
18 posted on 10/06/2006 8:57:00 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: montag813
I agree. Shame some on this thread don't seem to understand that. Personally vigilante justice isn't something i'm too fond of. I kinda like the idea of the rule of law and using a trial to determine whether or not someone is guilty.
19 posted on 10/06/2006 8:57:53 PM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: EveningStar

I'm living in the greatest country in the history of the world. Seems like the right one to me.


20 posted on 10/06/2006 8:58:24 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

In this country we have a real system of justice. What if this guy was really innocent?


21 posted on 10/06/2006 8:59:36 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: antceecee

"Then there is always 'poetic justice"

Poetic justice is what happened to this creep.


22 posted on 10/06/2006 9:00:10 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

So why have trials at all? Why not just let the police determine punishment?


23 posted on 10/06/2006 9:01:08 PM PDT by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

>Investigators were interviewing some 140 inmates, he said.

Of whom of course saw or heard nothing "unusal."


24 posted on 10/06/2006 9:01:32 PM PDT by AZRepublican ("The degree in which a measure is necessary can never be a test of the legal right to adopt it.")
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

With a name like Chamberlain from south OC in a Santa Ana jail, a city which is about 80% illegal immigrants , chances are he was beaten to death because he didn't fit the gang profile or speak the language of the other prisoners, doubtful they even knew or cared anything else, or if some of them were guiltless of the same crime.


25 posted on 10/06/2006 9:01:46 PM PDT by seastay
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

You don't know if he was a creep and you don't know if he was guilty of the charges against him...
What you wish on others will come back onto you... now that's poetic justice.
You are the creep.


26 posted on 10/06/2006 9:03:04 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

That's an unpatriotic point of view. Our laws call for a public trial before the bench of justice. No trial, no justice.

What happened in that shower is called a lynching. If you're on the side of a lynch mob, you're not on my side. My side believes in justice under law.

The law is not established to protect the guilty man; it is established to protect the innocent man accused of a crime he did not commit. If we allow this sort of thing, then no one is safe. Who knows -- next time it may be you or me that finds himself accused but innocent, looking down the business end of a lynch-mob's "justice".


27 posted on 10/06/2006 9:03:22 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: EveningStar
"deputies saw beer cans and child pornography in his vehicle and arrested him for that, Amormino said."


Yeah, maybe the stuff wasn't his.
28 posted on 10/06/2006 9:03:50 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: montag813

"They should be executed. He was "awaiting trial" on "suspicion". In our system we are INNOCENT until proven guilty.

I agree.


29 posted on 10/06/2006 9:05:30 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better; All

I have a problem here folks. I in no way would miss a pedophile who was killed by inmates in a prison. However, let's play devils advocate for just one second. What if the charges against this guy were false? If you have paid attention to the news in the past few years many inmates have been freed after DNA test confirmed they were innocent of committing a rape (and in many cases after spending more than a decade in prison). People are falsely accused in our society, and all deserve their day in court (regardless of the charges against them). To celebrate the "murder" of someone awaiting trial is wrong. Consider what if that was you, and you had been falsely accused of some act of pedophilia? Would you want to be placed in that position? We do have a system of justice in which everyone is by constitutional amendment entitled to a fair trial. These comments supporting those who murdered this person are wrong.


30 posted on 10/06/2006 9:06:01 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud Father of an American Soldier fighting in the WOT)
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To: B-Chan

Bump for a great post!
Americans are unique in their protection of rights to the individual.

Thank God for our founders for our Constitution and Bill of Rights. God Bless America and damn those who would sink the basic tenets of our freedom.


31 posted on 10/06/2006 9:06:55 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: antceecee

"You are the creep."


WOW! Name calling, that's an interesting turn.


32 posted on 10/06/2006 9:06:55 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
I'm living in the greatest country in the history of the world. Seems like the right one to me.

The beliefs you've outlined on this thread are in direct conflict with those of the founding fathers.

33 posted on 10/06/2006 9:08:52 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

When I read the comments here then I see how close we are to the end.


34 posted on 10/06/2006 9:08:58 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

"on suspicion of possessing child pornography"
SCENARIO:
Some jerk owns your computer as part of his windows botnet. He plants the porn on your comp because, well, that's just the sort of person he is.

SECENARIO:
Some jerk owns your computer and uses it to download child pornography so that /he/ won't get caught.

SCENARIO:
You block-download everything on a usenet porn group. (morally reprehensible...but justifying capital retribution?) Someone had posted child pornography in the group, so now your guilty of acquisition and possession.

All this has happened before... please do tell how it is that *you* know he was guilty?


35 posted on 10/06/2006 9:09:02 PM PDT by explodingspleen (http://mish-mash.info/)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Not name calling... just stating an observation.


36 posted on 10/06/2006 9:12:25 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Pretty sad when the inmates in California are better at dispensing justice than the state courts


37 posted on 10/06/2006 9:13:17 PM PDT by Centurion2000 ("Be polite and courteous, but have a plan to KILL everybody you meet.")
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To: B-Chan

"Uh, "innocent until proven guilty" was still the law the last time I checked, friend."

I agree.

The rule is also (or is it the law?) that only child pedophiles are to be executed at the hands of fellow inmates, not inmates charged on child pornography, which, btw, I agree.

Caveat: I'm no lawyer.


38 posted on 10/06/2006 9:13:28 PM PDT by stultorum (dont hire illegal aliens)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

May be. Too bad we'll never know, because the FACTS were never established in the case. Maybe someone who hated his guts planted that stuff on him. Maybe he found it somewhere and didn't realize what it was. Maybe it was sent or given to him by mistake. It doesn't matter now. He's dead and he's going to stay dead whether he committed a crime or not.

Hypothetical: let's say someone who hates your guts mails you a copy of a kiddie porn magazine. You pick up the envelope at the post office, throw it in your car without opening it, and drive away on an errand. A few blocks away a cop stops you for a broken taillight, and, as you step out of the car, the envelope falls to the curb and breaks open, revealing the magazine. The cop cuffs you, drags you downtown, has you booked on kiddie porn charges, and you get thrown in the county lockup until the trial. After a few days, word gets around that you like to diddle kids. Not long after, you are surrounded in the shower by a crowd of inmates.

Question: do the inmates there have the right to beat you to death or not?


39 posted on 10/06/2006 9:14:03 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: Revel
When I read the comments here then I see how close we are to the end

Which comments are you referring to?

The comments of one nutty poster?

Or the comments of the rest of us who realize his thoughts are those of an anarchist?

40 posted on 10/06/2006 9:14:09 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle (God has blessed Republicans with political enemies who are going senile.)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

This man had not even been convicted but say he had... This prison justice isn't right. I'm not talking about criminals rights either. As far as I'm concerned , when we convict them, they have none, and belong to the state who is removing them from society. A responsibility goes with that too IMO. I'm all for isolation and letting them out one at a time for showers, exercise etc under direct supervision but it doesn't say much for society when prisoners are hurt or killed under our watch, esp when we cheer about it. It sounds too much like one of them.


41 posted on 10/06/2006 9:17:33 PM PDT by CindyDawg
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To: antceecee
Well now, antceecee, ain't you observant.

"It is not sheer malice that pricks our ears to evil reports about our fellow men. For there are frequent moments when we feel lower than the lowest of mankind, and this opinion of ourselves isolates us. Hence the rumor that all flesh is base comes almost as a message of hope. It breaks down the wall that has kept us apart, and we feel one with humanity."

___________________________________ Eric Hoffer 1902-1983

Get it?
42 posted on 10/06/2006 9:17:59 PM PDT by the final gentleman
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Numerous people have been tried for possession of kiddie porn because it was on their computer. And later it was learned that their computer was hacked via the Internet and used to distribute porn without the owners knowledge.

All you have to do is be missing a critical security patch and no network firewall and your in big trouble.

I'm going to stick with trials.


44 posted on 10/06/2006 9:19:47 PM PDT by DB ()
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better
"He was there for a reason. 98% of those on trial are guilty. I'm good with those odds."

IMHO, your worse than the guy who was killed, and your line of thinking is definitely more dangerous to our society.
45 posted on 10/06/2006 9:19:47 PM PDT by babygene
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To: Centurion2000

"Pretty sad when the inmates in California are better at dispensing justice than the state courts"

In this case, they didn't have a chance.


46 posted on 10/06/2006 9:21:57 PM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: Centurion2000
Pretty sad when the inmates in California are better at dispensing justice than the state courts

Bingo. Remember this is the same state that has O.J. golfing in Florida, Michael Jackson opening a theme park in Ireland, Robert Blake planning a Little Rascals reunion and...this just handed to me... John Mark Karr roaming the streets. Does anybody in California get convicted???

47 posted on 10/06/2006 9:22:42 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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To: B-Chan
Let's all take a deep breath and reset this.

I'm not saying we should throw away the rule of law and make this standard operating procedure.

I'm not saying I'd even advocate this.

I'm not saying i want it to happen again.

BUT IT DID HAPPEN. And since it did...

I AM saying the creep was almost surely guilty, he got beat to death, I'm going with the odds that he was guilty, and am going to "tongue and cheek" have some fun with it.
48 posted on 10/06/2006 9:23:14 PM PDT by Private_Sector_Does_It_Better (The UN did such a great job with Oil for Food in Iraq, let's let them run the whole country)
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To: Private_Sector_Does_It_Better

Are you really that thick, or are you simply trolling for fun?


49 posted on 10/06/2006 9:23:47 PM PDT by bluefish (Holding out for a worth tagline......)
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To: Centurion2000
You think that killing a man who is awaiting trial justice?
By the way the inmates in the OC jail are pretty heavily weighted with illegal Mexicans and gangbangers. Perhaps the guy was just too white and too nerdy? Maybe they weren't dispensing your version of justice at all. Maybe they were just getting rid of another annoying white guy. Nevermind that criminals made you happy as heck in killing a man who was NOT CONVICTED of a damn thing. Perhaps you would be happy with just putting the accused in a coliseum and killing them a la ancient Rome. I guess we should start breeding lions and start training gladiators. To hell with the Constitution.
50 posted on 10/06/2006 9:24:41 PM PDT by antceecee (Western countries really aren't up to winning this war on terror... it might offend the terrorists.)
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