Posted on 01/18/2007 7:50:55 AM PST by jveritas
The most lasting tragedy of the Vietnam War is that it has legitimized “giving aid and comfort to the enemy”. We are seeing the giving of aid and comfort to the enemy running wild in this war on terror and sadly not only among liberals and their media but also among some conservatives who some of them are right here on this great Free Republic.
When Al Qaeda terrorists, or the terrorist regimes in Iran and Syria, or the Iraqi insurgent terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia hear the speeches of defeatism coming from liberals and their media, or unfortunately coming from some conservatives who some of them are right here on Free Republic, will they feel comforted and aided by these speeches? Of course they will be comforted, and they will be embolden to fight more and more, kill more and more, destroy more and more, because they realize that many Americans do not have the will to fight a long and hard war.
Defeatism and providing aid and comfort to the enemy was something that we expected from liberals and their media because their hate to President Bush and the Republican Party is hundred of times more than their hate to the terrorists. However it is really sad that some conservatives and some members on this great forum are doing their share in providing aid and comfort to the enemy through their defeatist attitude.
Do the defeatists want to amend the Constitution so we will have the following? Stop the war and leave if we lose more than one thousand troops, or stop the war and leave if it lasts more than one year, or stop the war and leave if it costs more than 50 billions dollars, whichever comes first. Do they want to do this?
The defeatists who argue that Iraq is not part of the war on terror but rather it is just a civil war between Sunnis and Shia are wrong and naive beyond belief. Iraq is most definitely the central and most important front in the war on terror. It is in Iraq where Al Qaeda and their local Iraqi allies decided to fight the US. It is in Iraq where the islamic terrorists from all over the world are pouring in to fight the Americans. It is in Iraq where the terrorist regimes of Iran and Syria and their local Iraqi allies want to defeat the US so they can have total control of the Middle East. Since the terrorists are all over the world, then the best way to fight them is to attract them to one place to kill them. Whether it was planned or not, Iraq turned out to be the magnet that has been attracting the terrorists from all over the world, and that is the ultimate way to fight the war on terror and to kill as many terrorists as we can.
Every defeatist who is giving aid and comfort to the enemy should ask himself or herself this question: What will happen if we leave Iraq before we achieve complete victory? The First thing that will happen is that the enemy will be embolden beyond belief and the terrorists whether they are Sunnis or Shia, whether they are Al Qaeda, or Iran or Syria, will be given the ultimate victory that will embolden them thousands more time then when they were emboldened when the US left Beirut after the Marines barracks terrorist attack in 1983, or when the US left Somalia in 1993 after the terrorist killed 19 troops, or when no reprisal happened against the terrorists when they attacked many American targets through out the Clinton years. If our passiveness to the past terrorist attacks emboldened them in such a way to attack us on 9/11, think about what they can do to us if we give and leave Iraq and thus handle them the ultimate victory that they have been dreaming about for decades.
The defeatists must understand that if few terrorists sitting in a cave in Afghanistan with a small budget and few volunteers were able to do the 9/11 terrorist attacks, killed 3000 Americans, and caused over one trillion dollars in economic damages, then the terrorists control of Iraq and of the whole Middle East, and its vast oil resources will allow them to conduct terrorist attacks against us that we cannot imagine even in our worst nightmares. By controlling Iraq and the Middle East the terrorists will have hundreds of billions of dollars under their control that they will use it to attack us everywhere in the world and the US and cause unimaginable death, destruction and economic losses that will make 9/11 terrorist attacks look like a picnic in comparison. They will also use the oil weapon to bring the world economy to a disaster that will be many folds worse than that of the 1929 Depression.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
The disgruntlement coming from this Conservative does not come from any thing approaching 'defeatism' it comes from the lack of courage of convictions or over concern with PC crap that is preventing us from going after the terrorists in a complete and more total method.
No most conservatives displeased with the WOT are more concerned with doing more, not seeing us defeated.
That's very true - but now we are debating our nation's very survival - not just a "government policy" like taxes or Social Security.
How much "debating" about fighting the Nazi's was going on in 1943?
I would be willing to bet not much.
Many Americans have no concept of what losing in Iraq will mean to our own comfy lives here in this nation. We must win or face miserable changes and deadly consequences.
Ok, please define what you mean by "losing." Do you mean military defeat where there is a US surrender and all of our military lay down their weapons? or do you mean the sort of losing that took place in Viet Nam? or something else?
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based on the answer above, please expand on the scenario that you see happening as a result.
I agree...everybody now is a damn expert with an instant opinion on who did what wrong ...Its absurd
exactly. It's to be expected that the premier site for conservative intellectual thought would attract disruptors trying to promote their own treasonous agenda.
Fellow Free Republic members, we are fighting the most important war since WW II. We are not fighting for the Iraqis in Iraq but we are fighting for ourselves, for our freedom and for our way of life. Let us all support our President and our brave troops because they need our support now more than ever.
This paragraph says it all.....I hope people wake up before it's too late!
I agree with the breakdown of Defeatists versus those who want to fight to the end and achieve complete victory, however the “Defeatists” unfortunately are very loud and they are all over the place.
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This country needs a version of FR on the airwaves. Then your words might reach their target, only a very few of the target being here on the site. The people we need to convince, and to brace up too, are not here. They're in their homes and in their cars, longing for some protein-rich talk radio and credible news about things that matter.
Those who say, "Saddam didn't attack us." simply do not or refuse to understand the nature of the enemy. The enemy is EVERYWHERE. The enemy is "radical" islam and its proponents. There is NO political solution since it is an ideology with very specific goals (which have been told to us repeatedly) that we are fighting.
The "rules of the game" are not the same as in a "normal" war. It is imperitive to understand the rules the enemy plays by and to understand that they have a very different belief system than we do. Their ultimate goal is world domination of Islam and a worldwide Caliphate with under Sharia law. Most people refuse to acknowledge this and until they do winning will be very difficult.
When President Bush stated that this will be a long war and a different war he wasn't kidding. This was IS WWIII and it will not end in our lifetime so long as most people refuse to understand what it is all about.
It's like Rush always says.. it is human nature to glom on to the negatives of life. It takes alot of hard work to stay positive and be successful. Most Americans have become like spoiled children, unwilling to work hard to get what they want, they just want to kick and scream til they get what they want.
It's not a winning strategy and one that should be politley shoved in every malcontents face here on Free Republic and in our public lives.
With the Democrats in control, FREEDOM is rapidly FLEETING!
So, pull you head out of what ever orifice you currently have it, and support this critical point in our history, or else go join the other side. (You may already have.)
Exactly!
A well-put post.
Excellent post.
Thanks CedarDave, my translations were just fulfilling my little duty in time of war.
Bingo.
Winning in Iraq is too important to sit by while Beltway clowns give the circus away. Failure and incompetence have consequences, and they'll affect us all. FR would be a President bashing powerhouse if the war was conducted exactly as it has been so far, but with a D at the helm.
You are correct here. Yesterday, I read where our troops had captured and detained 28 insurgents. My question is "Why did we detain them, why didn't we kill them?"
I don't think anyone here is giving aid and comfort to the enemy. Without specific examples, it is nothing but hot air and smoke.
Well just off the top of my head, Chuck Hagel.
Thank you. Thank you!
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